Bernie Sanders
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(149,843 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Just love seeing you in the Sanders group!
Playinghardball
(11,665 posts)How have you been?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)my dear Peggy!
You're the ray of sunshine we've been needing.
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HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Won't ever be ready
K&R!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)K&R
840high
(17,196 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank goodness we don't have to worry about it since the next President will be President Bernie Sanders
staggerleem
(469 posts)... Bernie has already stated, MANY times that he will NOT run as an independent, so he won't split the vote from the left. Bernie will throw his support to, and heartily endorse, whoever the Democratic nominee turns out to be.
So you folks who say you'll NEVER, EVER be "Ready for Hillary" might want to reconsider.
Or else, come January 2017, we ALL might have to get "Ready for Jeb" ... or Cruz, or Rubio or some other nightmare.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I will vote for the Democratic nominee, Bernie Sanders
closeupready
(29,503 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)We can have real change,
or more of the same.
You will know them by their works.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Enthusiast
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cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Wants to scale back "guest worker" programs like H-1B and H-2B that put Americans out of work and contribute to the race to the bottom for cheap labor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/
secondwind
(16,903 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)when she was the keynote speaker for a bar association seminar I co-chaired. She hinted something about her hubby (some unknown gov of a small, poor, state I barely recognized) might be running for something bigger. The day before her talk, suddenly really glossy and professionally done posters began appearing publicizing her talk. (not anything our bar association would have done)
She was the most arrogant, demanding, nasty person I had met in that point of my life. A memory that will never fade.
2banon
(7,321 posts)in a sense. Wow. How long before the '92 elections ?
Must have been interesting given your personal encounter before that time.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Because he used a different last name, it took a bit for me to put two and two together. I believe the penny dropped after the first allegations came out about his diddling some female, Paula?
I had never heard of Hillary Rodham, but we were repeatedly told that she was one of the top ten trial lawyers in the country. Considering that two of the actual top ten were present at the bar meeting, and not one of 250+ attys present ever heard of her, we were taken aback about her Top Ten Rating.
I then learned that she never tried a jury case to verdict.
2banon
(7,321 posts)not to lie about the most innocuous thing, like the time of day.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)jalan48
(13,921 posts)So why is it Hillary is the mainstream choice? Is it because mainstream Democrats are more like Republicans? Just asking.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Hillary can be marketed to more people because
a) She has a bigger marketing budget
b) She has better brand recognition
Voila! "Mainstream candidate."
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)And the media keeps telling us how no other product matches up to Hillary!
It's become so obvious....
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)hell for us, if she gets elected.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)But you're right, that might as well be us!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)(which is more circular-reasoning nonsense); others are conservative Dems; others know that she's representative (regardless of their noisy rhetoric of being the One True Liberals) of the party's establishment which controls all the apparatus and has kept mainstream ideas from being turned into law for decades
we saw what they do in primaries and even generals with Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Lutrin, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Weiland, and Wendy Davis and Grimes in November
secondwind
(16,903 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I particularly like his take on Hillary's recent blitz to try and convince us she cares about things:
In "Hillary Clinton Traces Friendly Path, Troubling Party," Clinton aides reveal to reporters Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman that Hillary is being forced to abandon her preferred political path as they breathlessly describe it, "the nationwide electoral strategy that won her husband two terms in the White House and brought white working-class voters and great stretches of what is now red-state America back to Democrats."
So this wasn't leaked out to the Times by accident. It was spoon-fed to the paper by the party, which put this "left turn" out there to see how it plays.
And, the money quote:
As in: "Please don't think I really like you. It's just that going out with you is the only way I'm going to get laid."
And, as we surmised, this will be the plan going forward:
It would be gross even if they weren't openly telling us that's the plan. But with this trial balloon, that's exactly what they're doing. It'll be interesting to see if American voters have enough self-respect to be offended.
2banon
(7,321 posts)"Please don't think I really like you. It's just that going out with you is the only way I'm going to get laid."
Oh by the way, thanks for the Taibbi/RR mention and bringing it to our attention.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)They make it clear that turning away from Bill Clinton's cherished demographic of southern white moderates, and toward the Obama base of "young, nonwhite and female voters," is something they're only doing with extreme reluctance.
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Moreover, the party wants big business to hang tough while Hillary slings Warren-Sanders-style anti-business rhetoric in an effort to increase turnout.
The truly crazy thing about this is that the Warren-Sanders strategy actually would be the broad bipartisan strategy, if only the Democrats would stop apologizing for it.
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Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Go Bernie!
geardaddy
(24,936 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)OneCrazyDiamond
(2,032 posts)or so I am told.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The Right already is primed to talk about those qualities for the next year.
Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)Kind of hard to refute ugly facts. For the Hillary supporters who are reading this, I will vote for her if Bernie doesn't get the nod. It's just that she is still bought by the same Donors that own all Republicans and can only go the Democratic way when they don't have a dog in the fight.
yardwork
(61,821 posts)Promoting the idea that there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans is wrong. There's a huge difference.
I think Sanders is great but please don't discourage people from voting for whomever is our eventual Democratic nominee.
What is infinitely more important is that there are major
differences between Democrats!!
yardwork
(61,821 posts)We heard a lot of crap about how Gore and W were identical in 2000, and look where that got us.
Hillary is not as prigressive as I would like but she is infinitely better than any Republican in the White House.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)He would have won if he'd refused to concede.
Paka
(2,760 posts)I feel really lucky that we have him to support. Pinched nose voting is not fun.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
edgineered
(2,101 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)someone posted "180 seconds and you will vote Bernie"
that one
Sienna86
(2,150 posts)Cassidy
(202 posts)I was living in NY when she ran for the Senate. Even then, it was clear to me and my friends that she was just using us, and the US Senate, to further her personal ambitions and drive for power.
I am sorry to say it, but I have a hard time trusting much of what she says she says she believes. I have not seen evidence that she will fight for the common person. I think she is a great politician, but we have plenty of politicians. We desperately need a great leader. Senator Sanders is that great leader.
glinda
(14,807 posts)questionseverything
(9,667 posts)poisoning the water for all
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)We have a once in a lifetime chance staring us in the face. To address the failures of our fathers, to defeat the greatest evil mankind has faced, to be the Greatest Generation of all time.
We can either finally accept our responsibility for the future or we can continue to wear the rose colored shades of corporate propaganda. Either way is a conscious choice.
The sirens of ignorance perform powerful melodies and with every shareholder providing just a little more volume, is it any wonder the voices of reason are being drowned out?
glinda
(14,807 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)LOL
I like saying that!
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)the prohibitive favorite to win the nomination. If we are stuck with her it will be a sad day for the Democratic Party. I hope that Skinner wakes up and realizes that before he pulls this site down with her.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And doing so in such an aggressive fashion, as reflected by the banning of NYC-Skip.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I was slightly disappointed in that.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)More important is the 2005 bill, which did pass. Clinton did not vote, Sanders voted no.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)angrychair
(8,760 posts)I'm ready for Bernie!
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)
the last time around. All it took to knock her (and all of her years of experience) out was a junior Senator who was barely known several months earlier.
We don't want her.
Sure, some do--but so many in our party (like myself) do not like her at all, as a Presidential candidate.
I'm sick of the Clintons. They have their place in history, but we need to move forward. The Progressive wing of the party practically detests her and the young, active contingent in our party are uninterested.
Plus, she's a corporate toe sucker. And a warmonger.
NO. Please. Just. NO!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Couldn't have said it better
camelfan
(130 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)to fuck off out of our party.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)When she votes.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)to stop deluding herself that she'll ever be elected president and just go get even richer giving speeches to her buddies on Wall Street and in the pentagon.
riversedge
(70,483 posts)of the issues they are For--issues that affect us.