Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forum#FeelTheBern: Bernie Sanders Draws Larger Crowds Than Clinton In Des Moines
https://www.americarisingpac.org/feelthebern-bernie-sanders-draws-larger-crowds-than-clinton-in-des-moines/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=20150614_ARPAC-p-hillary-clinton-des-moines-iowa_twitter&utm_content=ARPACGuess DU isn't just an aberration in the overwhelming Bernie support after all
SamKnause
(13,114 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Never thought we were. That would mean every democratic site was an aberration
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)have Bernie supporters been schooled on "DU is not representative of the majority of Democrats"? Seems I've seen that a lot on this site.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I never believed it.
Doing the Bernie bounce!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)DU'ers going there. They were dems and others from the real world. This is good news. A race at last.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And btw, Hillary had a crowd of 5,500 at her formal announcement in NY.
Bernie had 5,000 at his formal announcement in VT.
Do the numbers. NYC alone has approx 8 Million people.
VT, nowhere close to that.
I would say that Bernie is the mainstream candidate in this race. No question.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)There were links (even here on DU) telling you how to get a ticket for the thing, how to get there, what to do when you did get there, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.
Actually, I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that they couldn't get anymore than 5,500 people to that thing. Not an auspicious beginning IMO.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)But there will be no want of trying.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But the good news is, no one cares about the New! updated & evolved version either.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)that be an avenue?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)As per usual, with Hillary there is a substantive and very material gap between words and deeds. She makes a phone call to fast food workers trying to organize a drive to raise their wages to $15 an hour. But she vaguely says she supports them BUT won't commit to that $15.00 an hour. And now we learn, thanks to British journos, that she's stiffing not just the standard brand new grads willing to work as unpaid interns, but experienced professionals as well.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, BOYS AND GIRLS? ONLY THE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY NEED APPLY! Obviously many are hoping to parlay this free work into a job should she be elected, but they have to be wealthy enough to work for free. In other words, ain't gonna be hirin' no po folks (to borrow HRC's southern accent).
Clinton, according to her would-be employees, has left full-time organizers with little choice but to criss-cross the country and work as free help.
The Guardian has identified at least five Organizing Fellows on Clintons current field team in Iowa alone who held paid positions on national political campaigns during the 2014 midterm elections.
People with campaign experience with a cycle under their belt are being kind of held in this limbo position, said one experienced campaign staffer who turned down a Clinton fellowship.
The staffer, who asked not to be identified for fear of risking future job prospects, said they were aware of former colleagues being asked to move out to a certain place under the auspices of getting a job and no guarantee.
Multiple political organizers and fair-wage advocates painted a picture of a candidate preaching economic opportunity while putting prospective employees in a bind: former campaign staffers are taking unpaid fellowships from now into August, with hopes of securing a job they expect to consist of almost the same responsibilities that they handle as fellows only with the addition of a pay check and benefits.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/hillary-clinton-unpaid-summer-intern-campaign
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)A veteran Democratic strategist unaffiliated with any presidential campaign said he thought Clinton was sending a mixed message by hiring hundreds of advisers to focus on a policy message around income inequality, only to hire people as interns and treat people as free labor who have already done the job before. It is a really terrible way to treat the most vulnerable people on campaign staff and makes me question their leadership on everything else, the strategist told the Guardian.
Unpaid internships or fellowships have become a major point of contention in the US since former interns at the media company Condé Nast sued their former employer. A group of 7,500 plaintiffs settled late last year for $5.8 million. Businesses have taken advantage of unpaid internships to an extent that it is blocking the opportunities for young people to move on into paid employment, Clinton said in 2013. More businesses need to move their so-called interns to employees.(my comment: So there you have her words, just 2 years ago, but here you have her actions in contradiction to those words.)
The Clinton campaign is currently filled with staffers holding jobs they are overqualified to hold, said the person, insisting that people currently being paid as field organizers invariably have held more senior positions on past campaigns. This year, though, Clintons campaign has made a point of being cheap and not just because it began with a road trip. Employees use personal cellphones and avoid paying for hotels when they travel. Its press team allowed a Washington Post photographer to document campaign chairman John Podesta riding a discount bus from Washington DC to New York for an article published this week.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Guess it all depends on what the meaning of "is" is, right?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)(I'm doing a self Godwin.)
NewSystemNeeded
(111 posts)Clinton - 44, Sanders - 32
He leads by 8 among Independents.
http://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150502_crosstabs_mc_NH_v1_AD.pdf
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Sanders at 32%, starting to make some sense considering the campaign crowds
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)be known as backing a winner will start to leave her.
There are even many on DU; how many posts have you read that say "I love Bernie but he can't win in the general election", or "I like Bernie better than Hillary but he can't win in the general election"? These people will soon see the writing on the wall.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)but still want to "build a base" for the general election
they even acknowledge that Hillary doesn't represent Dems or Americans outside of Wall Street or NorVa and that they think Bernie can't win because of all the dirty tricks, veal pens, and primary-throttling the party Establishment can bring to bear; it's this sort of beaten-down intra-party thinking that the Sanders campaign has to address next
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)And no, I am definitely NOT a concern troll. America Rising is a Republican PAC devoted to opposition research against Democrats. We can do better than this.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)from my twitter feed then posted it here. I had never heard of "America rising" so I guess I didn't give it much thought with respect to "source". I will avoid AR sources in the future though...thanks for the heads up.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Republicans want hillary to win.their entire 2016 script is to run against her.
Bernie forces that script out the door,and forces debate on issues.
democrank
(11,115 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Bernie Sanders draws boisterous D.M. crowd of 700-plus
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-drake-university-sheslow/71163200/
red dog 1
(27,935 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)A boisterous crowd of more than 700 applauded presidential candidate Bernie Sanders more times than there were minutes in his speech Friday night.
The Vermont U.S. senator, an independent who is running for the Democratic nomination, spoke for a little more than an hour and answered questions for about 30 minutes at Drake University's Sheslow Auditorium.
Sanders continues his streak of attracting large, loud crowds in Iowa. The audience of mostly professionals and older adults, mixed with some college-age and younger attendees, rewarded him with applause more than 100 times.
About Sanders' visit
SETTING: Sheslow Auditorium, Drake University
CROWD: More than 700 people filled Sheslow Auditorium, not counting the 25 or so members of the media.
REACTION: The crowd applauded and shouted after Sanders brought up his main campaign themes. Many in the audience attempted to shake Sanders' hand after the almost hour-and-a-half appearance.
WHAT'S NEXT: This was the kickoff event of a three-day Iowa swing. He visits Marshalltown and Cedar Rapids on Saturday, and Waterloo, Iowa Falls and Indianola on Sunday.
red dog 1
(27,935 posts)but I'm glad that Bernie is drawing large crowds...My guess is that he will continue to do so.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)When will Bubba opine that Sander's agenda reminds him of Stalin's? When will somebody from HRC's campaign drop the anti-semite card? You know it's coming. I think HRC's kickoff had to be disappointing for them. 5500 folks is nothing to sneeze at but in NYC it's far from impressive. I believe Mr. Sanders is gonna win this! We must do all we can to make that happen. He himself repeatedly warns us that it will take a MOVEMENT to make real change. I've offered to do whatever they ask me to to realize a President Sanders. Please go to his site and volunteer. WE CAN DO THIS!!!!
turbinetree
(24,745 posts)GO BERNIE
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)turbinetree
(24,745 posts)The MSM and the political pundits still haven't figure out what to make of his candidacy.
They are trying to marginalize him and trying to make it a she said he said , he said he said.
And Senator Sanders said this is not what I am going to do, it is about the ISSUES, ISSUES.
Again and Again the MSM and the pundit's are desperately trying to make this a infomercial rating race.
ISSUES, ISSUES, ISSUES
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)of the people. He is for us 100%, and I am for him 100%.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And when people hear his message, their gut will confirm that he should be our next President.
I'm over the corporate types.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)wyldwolf
(43,873 posts)Do we believe the preliminary headcount? The official sign-in tally? Do we believe Jennifer Epstein one time but not the second time? Do we reconsider whether crowd differences of several hundred mean anything?
Do we quote a PAC who's stated purpose is to serve as an organization on the right for the sole purpose of exposing the truth about Democrats through video tracking, research, and communications?
Spin on.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And her official launch in NYC barely beat his launch in Burlington, VT. Obviously you can't directly correlate crod size to eventual win, but the enthusiasm for the two seems to be roughly the same so far. Her giant warchest and years of getting her groundgame together are 'steamrolling' Bernie about as well as Jeb Bush's attempt to 'steamroll' his opponents.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Actually I'm rather proud of that fact, but I sincerely hope you don't receive the same treatment here.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)some folks, won't it?