Bernie Sanders
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I am of the same mind as some African Americans and believe that Bernie needs to speak out more forcefully against the injustices that people of color suffer on a daily basis. If he is going to win the minority vote, he needs to be a champion for social justice too, not just economic issues. As president Obama said yesterday, at the Eulogy:
Achieving economic justice would not change "the subtle impulse to call Johnny back for a job interview but not Jamal". What economic justice might do is give Johnny a living wage while Jamal is still waiting for a call back that never comes. Achieving social justice would give Jamal the same opportunity for the call back as Johnny has.
Racism is a big problem for our community and if Bernie wants to get our votes, he's going to have to start talking about our issues like, the out of control cops, and the racism that is plaguing our whole nation.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)If Johnny gets a living wage but Jamal is still waiting for a call there is not economic justice. Economic justice and social justice are intertwined, you can not have one without the other. There can not be economic justice if racist hiring practices keep people of color out of work, nor can there by social justice if people of color are being economically exploited.
Bernie has been speaking about both social and economic justice for decades, he has spoken about racial justice on numerous occassions. Now he certainly needs to work on finding ways to make his position heard, but just because not everyone hears everything he says that does not mean he does not talk about it.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)I'm glad that you agree that he needs to find ways to better communicate with minorities.
I'm not sure what he needs to do, so that the link between social justice and economic justice and how they both need to be addressed can be understood.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If Jamal finds a good job, he still has to get to work without being stopped for DWB, dragged out of his car, and stomped by the police. We need to do something about the police, and we need to do it whether or not we can address economic justice for black people.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Bernie has certainly never suggested that we ignore police violence, in fact he was one of the very first national political figures to call for accountability after Ferguson.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Every chance he gets. Right now, they feel that O'Malley had been more forceful speaking out about this particular issue.
I think that the fact that Bill Deblasio is supporting Bernie. Will help a lot. We all saw him staring down the unions after they killed Eric Gardner. But, Bernie needs to communicate more about our issues.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Frances
(8,549 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)people determined to create a problem with Bernie.
appalachiablue
(41,228 posts)He can handle it though, he has in previous campaigns. "Do not underestimate Bernie Sanders."
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)it doesn't matter what your name is.
The economic solution is giving all an annual living income and then jobs become optional. Is there any discrimination in SS benefits? A city in Holland is now trying this (GD OP).
I agree that Bernie should address this and confident he will..
azmom
(5,208 posts)Me and other People of color. It's not just about jobs. Our kids are getting killed by racists cops every day. Our young men are being harassed on the streets just cause they are not the right color. Incarcerations of people of color are through the roof. A job is not going to help that.
I hope he can find out a way to address all these issues. If not, they may not vote for him.
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All that you describe is happening under the Obama administration and what are his solutions?
Do you think Bernie will address the AMERICAN peoples issues better than Obama and HRC?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and more so than any of the other candidates. Bernie is your best friend forever re police violence and incarceration. I thik you need to pay more attention to what he says and less to what people want you to think about him, because I listen to him talk all the time and he is all over these issues, and says so often.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I know that on DU he's not the first choice of some of the black people. But I have seen MANY Facebook groups that are for Bernie.
In my life, every one of my minority friends, including LGBT, support Bernie.
Was at the DMV 2 days ago and a bunch of us were discussing the primary. Only two of the 8 or so people supported anyone but Bernie and only two of us were white.
You must not be paying close attention. Bernie Sanders has said more about social justice in his life and in this campaign, than any other candidate. His main issue is economic but he is the candidate for social justice. He is the only Democrat that hasn't had to grow into the realization that society treats minorities and women unfairly
Further, like it or not, without economic justice, you can't get the laws passed to help improve social justice. That goes for every single type of social justice, which all falls under equality and decency. Women's rights, elder rights, minority rights, etc. As long as politicians are in corporate pockets, we're going to have problems getting laws passed to end inequality
azmom
(5,208 posts)I know what he stands for. I'm just trying to point out a weak spot in his campaign.
Bernie has to build a multi-racial coalition if he is going to win this thing.
marym625
(17,997 posts)He really is. I honestly think that the "he's only about economics" is part of the attack by super-pacs against him.
You have seen his speeches, read his papers, know his record. He has addressed this in his campaign multiple times. He actually has plans to end the discrimination. He doesn't just give lip service.
We obviously need to get that out there more if people who support him aren't aware of this
azmom
(5,208 posts)To be successful.
azmom
(5,208 posts)11. I think that Bernie has made his position clear on immigration
The problem he is going to have is getting the message to spanish speaking latinos. Spanish media has not mentioned him at all. The fact that the owner of Univision is a huge Clinton supporter does not help. The host of the major news program is Jorge Ramos, and his daughter is interning for guess who, Hillary.
It's going to be an uphill battle just to get the message out to spanish speaking latinos. A lot are bilingual so that helps. They'll get the message through social media.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Yes, that's going to be an issue.
I wish I had an answer. Obviously, he needs a Spanish speaking supporter that is respected by the Latino community
appalachiablue
(41,228 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)No coverage of him. They only carried his entry into the race.
I'm old so I'm not social media savvy, but for Bernie, I'm willing to learn.
We may have to rely on Twitter to make this revolution happen.
appalachiablue
(41,228 posts)Bernie's campaign director, Weaver realizes. Coverage in Spanish is also part of the outreach coming.
Viva la Revolucion Politica!
azmom
(5,208 posts)Hillary's camp is going to fight like hell, when they start seeing the latino poll numbers decreasing.
You saw the swipe Re. Gutierrez took at Bernie.
Gutierrez is loved by latinos, he lead the fight for immigration reform, but it's obvious he is supporting Clinton.
If Bernie needs spanish lessons, I'm available
appalachiablue
(41,228 posts)clumsy 'Who's he? the socialist? He doesn't like immigrants vey much' was fake. G. was once well regarded but he's DLC all the way. Poor, tired Claire McCaskill's prepared attacks on Bernie were even worse; when Mark Halpern on Morning Joe questioned her afterwards she couldn't name but one way Bernie was 'radical- the ACA, sure.
The Latino community must be reached and educated, not just go with the label, party candidate. (I did that with Clinton b/c I was uninformed, and it's been a shocker to learn what was going on, After the fact). How do Latinos feel about the huge numbers of Hispanic people in prison serving long sentences? Clinton, then Bush were involved in increased penalties and expansion of privatized, for profit corporate prisons in the last 20 years.
People are changing, and are sick of the two corporate parties and their empty promises who often have the same interests, and that is NOT WORKING PEOPLE AND FAMILIES! no matter how much they say they care about populist, pro people issues during the campaign- it's just to get votes. Clinton did it and so did Obama. Most are centrists, owned by the corps who bankroll their campaigns and Bernie is NOT.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Supporting Chuy. And now, with the attack on Bernie. I'm furious with him.
I want Bernie to be our next president, and I'll be doing whatever I can to make this happen.
appalachiablue
(41,228 posts)who Bernie supported- just shows the power of the wealthy and their allegiances. I also want Bernie to be our President. So glad about this WaPo article saying his campaign will step up outreach to minorities. Did you see this post here yesterday? Hurrah!
J. Castro is another matter. Both brothers are extremely accomplished and valuable. I read here he's in Clinton's realm. Who knows what to believe, except people do go for the empowered who they think will be successful and also enhance their own ambitions. BC selected Cisneros for HUD Secy. too, but Henry really messed up with personal matters-- Adios for now!
READ:
Washington Post, Sanders will step up outreach to minority communities, blacks and latinos, June 27, 15.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128017229
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I have a sad. Is everything in this country just corruption? It is going to be an uphill battle. We should not underestimate it.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Use against us. The establishment wants Hillary. I for one am tired of them getting what they want. We have the vote and we want Bernie Sanders. We all have to work together.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Of Bernie's for a long time. I know he cares, and that he is the real thing.
We just need to make sure that his message reaches EVERYONE.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I think that his message is there, but it isn't organized or polished enough for people to consume yet. People are so used to the old style of campaigning where the candidate tosses a bone to whatever group they are speaking to and then moves on (with absolutely NO intention of honoring that promise). We are seeing it now with the targeted videos and logos from the other campaign. Gathering groups like pawns to use in the big game with no actual policy to show that her support is real.
Bernie on the other hand is trying to develop his ideas more fully on the campaign trail which is not made for our soundbite era. That is why you have his kickoff speech talking about our economic situation, and the opponent's campaign-distributed talking points instructing everyone to go apeshit. They are now totally ignoring that he IS talking about those things on the trail in longer speeches because now we are moving on to new attacks. But the "he doesn't speak to minorities" still lingers.
I don't disagree that he needs to connect. I am glad he is taking the opportunity to speak to minority groups and I watched a good chunk of his speech to Latino officials. What I noticed is that their initial reception was rather cold, but they definitely warmed up to his points. I think more people have to be convinced to just listen to him and when he is done talking, if they don't agree, fine.
I live in a mixed, majority Latino neighborhood in SoCal. Yes, immigration is a Latino focus issue, just as police oppression is for African Americans. But these people are struggling economically as well and they know that things haven't really gotten better in the last six years. To act like they don't care about economic issues is a DU construct by those who are well off financially. So if Bernie came to town and spoke about the same things he's been talking about plus addressing their particular issues, I know he would do quite well. They're sick of politicians talking shit and nothing getting any better.
So yes, I agree and I think the campaign is working on it. It's just so off putting when you have the other campaign go after minority groups so aggressively. I think her "illegals" video will be bad news in the Latino community though. Her records with all the groups she is wooing is pretty bad because she and Bill built their house on working class whites.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Is no doubt that his economic message will connect with people of color. If white Americans, are hurting financially, can you imagine, what minority communities are going through. We are hurting too. We want higher wages, we want to send our kids to college. All we ask is for understanding that some of the issues we face, will not be fixed by money.
We want to be assured that Bernie will champion our causes too.
I did hear this morning that his campaign was going to increase outreach to our communities.
No concrete plans were spoken about, but it looks like the campaign is hearing us.
We all have to work together to bring change to America and to elect Bernie Sanders.
I stand in solidarity with the 99%
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)In fact, I know he is. It's just that he's got to get his message down so people can hear it. The media has to give him a chance or he has to find a way to communicate without them. I hope people are not fooled by the big bucks, but they often are. But what they don't understand is they are selling away their hopes for a better life if they sell themselves short. Neoliberalism is unsustainable. We need a change now.
azmom
(5,208 posts)In spanish calling Hillary a liar and a hypocrite on immigration. They have video clips of her saying one thing and then evolving on the issue. Hopefully, that will help in getting people to think of an alternative candidate. Why the republicans think, we would choose a republican over Hillary is beyond me.
appalachiablue
(41,228 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)There is so much out there to attack her with, in her own words. Her cheerleaders may think that evolution is just grand, but not everyone does. She has been wrong on so many issues that she has had to evolve on. And the argument that she had to sell out people's rights and lives for political power is an even *worse* argument.
I haven't seen the ad you are talking about, but if you find it, post a link as I am curious. Here is the video I saw that my jaw still hasn't come back together.
Send the kids back, WTF???
She actually has the same position as Republicans, she is just saying it with more words and more nicely. She is trying to wrap up these groups and she is lying. The Republicans have all they need on her to beat her in the general. All they have to do is to get people to stay home, and they will.
azmom
(5,208 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And the "Hipocre$ia" logo with the dollar sign means they know what people are thinking. Bad. They are starting early, damn.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Danced a little bit, when I saw that. Like I said it can only help Bernie.
Latino republicans make me want to vomit.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)When Jeb got into the race instead of waiting until 2020, I knew they had a plan. But they don't have one for Bernie yet.
But as an editor, whomever edited that video didn't really know what he was doing. There was a whole lot of scare tactics in there where I think just what she said is devastating enough.
I guess Hillary has hired O'Malley to do her dirty work though. Like this is a shock
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251416663