Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumAfter warning them for months, Hillbots are now in a panic, calling predictions "threats"...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107128401mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)If HRC does get the nomination and takes the predicted hard right turn then the Sanders people might very well sit home (after voting for the downticket Dems) and see how well she does against the Trumpistas.
Claiming a warning is a threat won't really work.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)Whatever she does, she will piss off either the Repubs she's aiming to get, or the Democrats that can see through her...maybe both.
That's ok, though. The Donald will come through for her and throw the election.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)I think he will pull back from his rhetoric, and move toward the Left, Actually, I believe him to be a bit more Liberal than he allows others to see.
He will lose the General intentionally; by alienating his followers.
Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)I clicked on the link and saw the poster was one of the first people I put on full ignore. I couldn't bring myself to read his/her Hillbot shit. But thanks anyway.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If we were not, why would we support Sanders? Case closed. We will do whatever our masters tell us to do. If instructed to stay home on election day, we will lock the doors and unplug the phone. If directed to vote for Trump, we will do so multiple times. None of us arrived at our decision to support Bernie by considering the relative merits of the candidates. Uh-uhn! No way! We were hypnotized, perhaps even mesmerized, by the tantalizing promises of a candidate who said we should dare to want something different. Now we are addicted, our minds held captive by the promise of single payer health care and free college. We are completely at the mercy of the man behind the curtain. If Hillary does not support a unicorn in every garage, we will march mindlessly into the polling places and pull the levers for Donald Trump. Or Donald Duck. Whatever. We don't care. We are zombies.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)your obvious sarcasm aside, I have some principles. I can forgive/even swallow a fair amount of corporate crap. What I can't swallow is the TPP moving us solidly into another form of government. What I really cannot swallow is my DNC advancing a fatally flawed candidate who taints my good name. Can't do it. I imagine there are many more like me out there.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Everybody has one, a point of no return, a place where fatigue and frustration combine to make a loyal Democrat say, "No more. I can't do it again." I'm almost there, myself. All it will take is a turn to the right, combined with some gloating. I can't tell you when it will happen, but it very well could. The way things are going, I can see myself staying home on election day.
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chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)KPN
(15,684 posts)Hillary won't get my/our votes.
BTW, they are all old people like myself (65). Don't want anyone to get the impression that we're just "impressionable" kids. Though I do know three young people who say the same thing.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)I've been researching places to emigrate to (Uruguay?) but I won't have the necessary monthly income to gain permanent residency until I retire. No way I want to be in this country once "the job" is finished. If HRC manages to take the helm, it won't be long... So many sleepwalking towards disaster.
KPN
(15,684 posts)But we have three adult kids here -- might not be able to cut that cord. At the same time, my mother's side of the family came to the New World in 1620 -- so I really hate to be the one to go. I'd rather if all the right-wingers left. We'll see.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)I know that for a fact. From personal experience.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)in 1994 and 2008 and again now.
She really wants to stop the dying..
She was only following orders...
She can't recall..
merrily
(45,251 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Mao'd win the Chinese Civil War (therefore they were declared to be pulling for him)
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)From the ones I can see, the hate is palpable.
alittlelark
(18,891 posts)Number of posts, last 90 days: 4832
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 2380 posts in the last 90 days (49% of total posts)
Favorite group: Hillary Clinton, 1739 posts in the last 90 days (36% of total posts)
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)alittlelark
(18,891 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)How do hey find the time?
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Some of us have jobs.
QC
(26,371 posts)straight from Brock's filthy lie-hole to DU in a matter of seconds.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I put their group on ignore for the very reason that they post such things and seem so traumatized by the smallest truth. And worse their can be no rebuttal because they block anyone who is not a Hillary Supporter XXL.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)strikes them dead; they're always posting about how I AM LITERALLY SHAKING
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)rickford66
(5,536 posts)I skip their stuff also.
Joob
(1,065 posts)dchill
(38,642 posts)Like paranoid Klingons, their shields are always up.
KPN
(15,684 posts)That was perfect!
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Bernie supporters rolling through "latest threads." What would be the point of that if Bernie supporters don't go in there to read the posts (which I don't think they do)? Bizarre.
dchill
(38,642 posts)from a LEGITIMATE thread.
jillan
(39,451 posts)is they have that slimeball David Brock running her campaign and I just laugh to myself and move on.
Jeff used to run a comic book shop, did you know that? He's such a bully!!
Compare that to Brock. Just google Brock. His slime is miles long.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)HRC notwithstanding.
jillan
(39,451 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)So many whining, vicious sorority girls from a third-rate (but very expensive) college...
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chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Hillary Clinton supporters have portrayed Bernie Sanders's supporters as a cult thing; that Bernie is the object of their obsession.
If any one of these is accurate, I would say it's the opposite.
People living off the 1990s, calling themselves Democrats, and voting to nominate Hillary Clinton are the ones lots closer to embracing the object of their obsession. (That is, if any side is doing such a thing.)
Bernie Sanders isn't the object of anyone's obsession. His support is due to his platform.
That is the reason why 17-/18-29 voters have an extraordinary level of support for him. He reached 80 percent support from this age group (and they're the first to vote Democratic in general elections; the only one to back John Kerry in 2004) in not only Iowa (84 percent) and New Hampshire (83 percent), as well as Nevada (82 percent), but in these double-digit, electoral-vote-rich states: Illinois (86 percent), Pennsylvania (83 percent), Ohio (81 percent), Michigan (81 percent), and Wisconsin (82 percent).
My source is CNN's site. There were no exit polls on Washington, Arizona, and Minnesota. Given that Bernie Sanders carried Washington's and Minnesota's caucuses with more than 60 percent of their votes, had exit polls been conducted they would likely show that he reached carriage of 80 percent of those states's 17-/18-29 voters.
Adding to Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada from these single-digit, electoral-vote states, he also reached 80 percent carriage of the 17-/18-29 voters in the following: Connecticut (83 percent) and Oklahoma (82 percent).
Although exit polls were not recorded, one may also add to Sanders's wins with Idaho, in which he won 78 percent of the overall vote; Maine, in which he won 64 percent of the overall vote; and both Alaska and Utah, in which he won 79 percent of their overall votes as likelihoods of this. In Hawaii, Sanders won 70 percent of the statewide vote. In Kansas, he received 68 percent of the statewide vote. In Nebraska, he received 57 percent of the statewide vote. He won about 55 percent of the vote from both Rhode Island and Wyoming. They may have been ones which resulted in him having reached carriage of 80 percent of their states's 17-/18-29 voters. And it is very likely that Colorado, which will likely join double-digit electoral-vote states in 2024 (via the U.S. Census Bureau's report in 2020), in which Sanders won 59 percent of the overall vote, also resulted in 17-/18-29 voters having carried for him with at least 80 percent of their vote.
Perhaps not surprising is that Bernie Sanders's best state, for 17-/18-29 voters, has been his home state, Vermont (95 percent). He won about 86 percent of the overall vote in Vermont.
Those states in which Bernie Sanders was in the 70s percentile range with carriage of 17-/18-29 voters were: North Carolina (72 percent), Missouri (78 percent), and Indiana (74 percent).
The states in which Bernie Sanders won in the 60s percentile range carriage of 17-/18-29 voters were: Florida (64 percent), New York (65 percent), Massachusetts (65 percent), Tennessee (61 percent), and Maryland (68 percent).
The states in which Bernie Sanders won in the 50s percentile range carriage of 17-/18-29 voters were: Texas (59 percent), Georgia (54 percent), and Arkansas (58 percent).
I don't have anything on Louisiana, due to no exit polls, in which Sanders received 23 percent of the overall vote.
There are two states, from the exit polls, in which Sanders did not carry 17-/18-29 voters: Alabama (40 percent) and Mississippi (37 percent). I'm guessing that Louisiana would be a third state. But I can't be sure. (He did win my home state, Michigan, with about 50 percent of the statewide vote and carried 17-/18-29 voters with 81 percent. So, it's a little tricky.)
I am guessing that about 40 percent of Sanders's popular vote has come from 17-/18-29 voters. (That is, after 30-44 and 45-64 and 65+ voters are factored. And no long-established Democratic frontrunner, certainly not Hillary Clinton, should be losing 17-/18-29 voters by such staggering a level.) I'd have to do some serious numbers crunching. But, according to Wikipedia.org, as of 05.10.2016 @ 07:45 a.m. ET, Sanders has received 9,446,660 million votes. If about 40 percent was from 17-/18-29 voters, that would mean over 3.7 million of those votes is about 22 million cast thus far (Hillary Clinton is at about 12.5 million) for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. (That's about 15 percent of the overall vote.) And, by the way, I could be underestimating with that 40-percent estimate.
This is clearly nothing to dismiss. As I mentioned before, in general elections, the 18-29 voters is the No. 1 voting-age base group giving support for Democrats (in elections both won and lost). And rather than turnout about 15 percent the size of the vote nationwide, as they have done in these 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, they are closer to 20 percent in general elections.
This is why a lot of the Hillary Clinton supporters, not just voters but insiders, are scared of Bernie Sanders. But, at the same time, if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination
how she and Democratic Party politics would handle themselves and their political party with this, going forward, will be very important.
TBF
(32,160 posts)We have been sitting on Twitter and Reddit watching Hillary and the prima donnas of the democratic party pull the lamest tricks at primary after primary. Coins are tossed, registrations are flipped, entire buildings are lost in Brooklyn. People post up their videos of themselves not being able to vote. Hillary may hide her email, but the rest of us are pretty social. If that crew thinks we're going to reward thievery with a nod they are delusional.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)article. Said if puffed-up Trump at the expense of Hillary, a clear TOS violation. I told you they are insufferable.