Bernie Sanders

dana_b

(11,546 posts) Thu May 12, 2016, 12:23 PM May 2016

Crosspost: Debunking Hillary's Specious Winning the Popular Vote Claim

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1948469

I think this is really important for all of us to get the word out. When Hillary and camp falsely claim that she has 3M more votes, it's a lie. They are not including the total amount of votes from the caucus states - of which Bernie has won the majority and of which, like WA state, he has won by large margins. So this whole "she's winning the popular vote" is a load of crap. And even if she is, it isn't by much! This is just another way for her camp and the the Democrats to try and get him to drop out.

I posted it on twitter and will probably do the same on FB.

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Crosspost: Debunking Hillary's Specious Winning the Popular Vote Claim (Original Post) dana_b May 2016 OP

And I truly believe that many of the votes were flipped to the opposites as explained bkkyosemite May 2016 #1

Faulty and deceptive metrics, as usual, from the Hillary enablers. highprincipleswork May 2016 #2

the OP Ed piece or the Hillary camp? n/t dana_b May 2016 #4

Hillary propagandists. I'm with Bernie for as far as he wants to take it. highprincipleswork May 2016 #6

I thought so but I wasn't sure if there was something in the piece dana_b May 2016 #8

Of course I don't know what the numbers would actually be, but I'm against false assumptions and highprincipleswork May 2016 #10

Thanks for posting this here too nt Rebkeh May 2016 #3

yeah - no problem! dana_b May 2016 #5

They routinely distort, spin, and cherry-pick. I just assume it is the rule, not the exception with GoneFishin May 2016 #7

Not surprised. AirmensMom May 2016 #9

What they don't exagerate or spin they lie about Vincardog May 2016 #11

Do we know how many people voted in the Democratic Caucuses in each caucus states? in_cog_ni_to May 2016 #12

You have a good point - and I don't know dana_b May 2016 #15

When has the queen's 👑 camp not distorted the truth? in_cog_ni_to May 2016 #16

I wish someone in the BERNIE camp would crunch these numbers and tell her dana_b May 2016 #17

K&R silvershadow May 2016 #13

They haven't changed that talking point since her southern victories. malokvale77 May 2016 #14

Not to mention disenfranchised independent voters and TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #18

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)

1. And I truly believe that many of the votes were flipped to the opposites as explained

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

May 2016

by experts in previous elections. Only takes 60 seconds to flip votes after they have been processed. Bernie won the nomination but it was stolen from him. MO

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)

2. Faulty and deceptive metrics, as usual, from the Hillary enablers.

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

May 2016

dana_b

(11,546 posts)

4. the OP Ed piece or the Hillary camp? n/t

Reply to highprincipleswork (Reply #2)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

May 2016

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)

6. Hillary propagandists. I'm with Bernie for as far as he wants to take it.

Reply to dana_b (Reply #4)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:35 PM

May 2016

dana_b

(11,546 posts)

8. I thought so but I wasn't sure if there was something in the piece

Reply to highprincipleswork (Reply #6)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:36 PM

May 2016

that looked weird to you.

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)

10. Of course I don't know what the numbers would actually be, but I'm against false assumptions and

Reply to dana_b (Reply #8)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:43 PM

May 2016

false thinking wherever it occurs, and it certainly occurs a lot.

Items like "smaller government is better", "government can't be counted on to do anything right", "no taxes", and things like "Bernie is a Socialist", "Bernie is less experienced and less electable", "Bernie is promising pie in the sky things", or "the nomination process is wrapped up" - all these are varying degrees of commonly held but inherently false ideas.

So it is with the popular vote count, as you aptly point out. Thanks for that.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)

3. Thanks for posting this here too nt

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:31 PM

May 2016

dana_b

(11,546 posts)

5. yeah - no problem!

Reply to Rebkeh (Reply #3)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:33 PM

May 2016

I never thought that they wouldn't include the popular votes from the caucus states.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)

7. They routinely distort, spin, and cherry-pick. I just assume it is the rule, not the exception with

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:36 PM

May 2016

them on every post.

AirmensMom

(14,651 posts)

9. Not surprised.

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 12:36 PM

May 2016

They exaggerate everything else, after all.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)

11. What they don't exagerate or spin they lie about

Reply to AirmensMom (Reply #9)

Thu May 12, 2016, 01:11 PM

May 2016

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)

12. Do we know how many people voted in the Democratic Caucuses in each caucus states?

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 04:49 PM

May 2016

If so, why couldn't someone go state by state and figure out the percentages of people that voted for Bernie?

Have caucus goers never been included in popular vote totals? Or is that just new special math for the queen's 👑 2016 election?

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

dana_b

(11,546 posts)

15. You have a good point - and I don't know

Reply to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #12)

Thu May 12, 2016, 08:40 PM

May 2016

Lol... But the fact that they aren't included while her camp is going around touting this 3M number seems like they are again distorting the truth.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)

16. When has the queen's 👑 camp not distorted the truth?

Reply to dana_b (Reply #15)

Thu May 12, 2016, 09:29 PM

May 2016

I wish someone who loooooves math & stats could work up those numbers...just to shut the queen's 👑 pie hole. It would be so satisfying to tell her she's not really ahead in the popular vote.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

dana_b

(11,546 posts)

17. I wish someone in the BERNIE camp would crunch these numbers and tell her

Reply to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #16)

Thu May 12, 2016, 10:50 PM

May 2016

to shut her pie hole.

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)

13. K&R

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 05:38 PM

May 2016

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)

14. They haven't changed that talking point since her southern victories.

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 07:59 PM

May 2016

Which by the way were far removed from the exit polls.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,257 posts)

18. Not to mention disenfranchised independent voters and

Reply to dana_b (Original post)

Thu May 12, 2016, 11:47 PM

May 2016

and Republicans in the closed primary states. How much of that 3 million is just from name recognition, especially in the early states. And finally how much of that 3 million is in solidly red states that she will lose in the GE. Shit, she got over 400K more votes in Texas alone! Unfortunately, it's all about the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

Alabama . + 230K
Arkansas + 80K
Georgia + 330K
Louisiana + 150K
Mississippi + 145K
South Carolina + 175K
Tennessee +125K
Texas +460K

Yes, Bernie won't be able to win these states either, but if they are going to wave their arms and say THREE MILLION MORE VOTES, I'm going to wave right back and say AND HALF OF THEM DON'T MATTER.

And that is not to say that the voters in those states don't matter. Of course they matter. But as a life long Texan, I realize I have already cast the one vote for Bernie that matters. I can vote for anyone I want in the GE - it won't make any difference. That's not a diss, that's MATH!

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