Bernie Sanders
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Out there in DU...there are folks saying that "Bernie Walked Out..." he got "Testy" ....he didn't Address the "BLM" ...and YET this Video seems to Belie that Interpretation.
to DU's "madfloridian for posting this Video.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)About stuff anyone can watch. .
and a few others would work
onecaliberal
(32,996 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Or attacked his supporters when they couldn't (or wouldn't) answer a legit question.
salimbag
(173 posts)Don't confuse them with facts.
tblue37
(65,547 posts)allowed too much extra time to be taken up by protesters during the O'Malley section of the program.
Vargas said in a tweet that he hated to cut Sanders off, but he had to end it. Bernie didn't abandon ship--Vargas ended it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Could this be why he couldn't deal with the Protest by "BLM" which disrupted both O'Malley and Sanders interviews?
ON EDIT: If you don't know what this post is about here's a thread about what happened today on Netroots Nation Convention when both Sanders and O'Malley were disrupted from their interviews...at:
DU'er madfloridian's Post at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=455953
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MTV causes stir with film on White People
By DAVID BAUDER July 17, 2015 11:40 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/mtv-causes-stir-film-white-people-154058261.html
NEW YORK (AP) One of the challenges for makers of the MTV documentary "White People" was getting folks to talk about race when they didn't feel the issue concerned them like those quoted as saying they consider white the "default race" or "normal."
So filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas recorded white Americans in situations where they were forced to confront racial identity issues. He found to a white man who attends a traditionally black college, teachers on a South Dakota reservation where resentment toward whites is palpable, a young Brooklyn man bewildered by the Asian immigrants on his block, a white man who teaches a college course on white privilege.
The documentary's trailer alone created a stir. The full film debuts Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET/PT, offered simultaneously online.
"The only thing I fear is not having these conversations," Vargas said. "What I fear is the silence, the indifference, the ignorance. We can no longer have a conversation about race and diversity without having white people in it."
Racial issues are timely, topping the news during the past several months with the "black lives matter" campaign in response to police shootings and the debate over the Confederate flag. MTV President Stephen Friedman said he's wanted to look at how whites perceive themselves for several years, but it wasn't until he met Vargas that he felt he'd found the right person to do it.
Vargas is best known for "Documented," a film where the Philippines-born journalist talks about his status as an undocumented U.S. resident. (His status hasn't changed since then).
Race was a difficult topic, not simply because it's uncomfortable to talk about. Shuns, slights and stereotypes aren't a regular part of life for most whites. More than four-fifths of MTV viewers polled said their families had taught them that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of differences.
tblue37
(65,547 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Gee, I wonder if similar interruptions are planned for his upcoming appearances.
Now that I think about it..the disinfo over at KOS and here in GD about Sanders ...should.make me wonder if the "FEAR" of Sanders is taking hold fed by the OPS.
I didn't think about that until what you said. Often its hard to "step back" from the "Candidate Wars" and get a grip on what is going on in the underbelly when one gets caught up in the "Day to Day" ..when one is a hopeless but trying to "recover" Idealist which I've always been and proud of it.....but, then when the "going gets rough" the "idealists" gotta get Down and Dirty, too!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)They have posted up the videos.
They also posted this,
"Bernie Sanders has supported, fought for, and even gone to jail protesting the improper treatment of black people. He has been fighting for equality for well over 50 years. Bernie Sanders has done the right thing by all people, and he will continue to fight for racial, social, political and economic equality. Click on the links above to learn why Bernie Sanders is the only candidate with the HISTORY OF ACTION to prove that he is the right person to be the next president of the United States.
This 70+ year old, white, bald, Jewish, Brooklyn-born, son of an immigrant has social activist credibility that no other candidate could even begin to dream of. Learn more about who this man is, because your support will be needed to build the grassroots effort that results in...
THE PEACEFUL POLITICAL REVOLUTION THAT AMERICA NEEDS AND DESERVES."
http://www.berniesandersvideo.com/netroots-nation-town-hall-meeting-in-phoenix-arizona-featuring-bernie-sanders-and-martin-omalley-but-not-hillary-clinton-saturday-july-18-at-1030-am-mountain.html#livefeed
zeemike
(18,998 posts)That they attacked the only candidate who has a long record of fighting for civil rights.
It makes no sense at all. And the tell is if they attack Clinton in the same manner...but I suppose she will never put herself in any situation where they can.
But I think Sanders handled it as best as anyone could...but I guess they will want to make it into something like the Dean Scream for the same reason.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)advantage of knowing this was coming did a pretty good job at controlling the stage. What I would like to see Bernie do in the future is to outline in very simple terms the ways in which economic justice is tied to issues of social justice. I would like for him to spell out the nefarious effects of poverty especially as it pertains to political power. I want him to say that when black votes matter, that it augments the notion and that politicians and legislators will have no choice but 5o legislate in a way that is consistant with the principle that black lives matter. Is there a more disenfranchised group in our country than the poor AA? I want Bernie to communicate the ways in which an economy that is inclusive of PoC is of social benefit to PoC.
He needs to educate. Perhaps he could have a professor if sociology or anthropology teach and explain the idea that economic equality leads to more better outcomes in race relations especially insofar as it reduces instances of poluxe violence ir something to that effect. He needs to do a better job illustrating the connection.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)In this video the way he related to the Protesters is very revealing as to how good he is at knowing the FACTS and Expressing his Views.
But, the GD Discussion made it seem he stalked out and didn't bother with the Protesters...whereas O'Malley engaged with them.
Hey..O'Malley did well given what he was up against..but, Bernie did better as the Videos show for answering Protesters!
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)those in the crowd who were listening. I guess there is still some disconnect as far as BLM is concerned.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)because those of us who already understand this, understand that Bernie is all about supporting all races and all income levels and promoting education and jobs.
But...even if he explains it the way they need to hear it, they need to be open to hearing it and a lot of people don't seem to be right now. Some of that is just name recognition. I think this will change over the course of this campaign.
Bernie is the best politician out there supporting all lower economic issues, whether it is race, bigotry, education, police and war on drugs, or whatever that keeps people down.
Bernie has the biggest heart I've seen in a politician for a long long time.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)What he says comes from EXPERIENCE...and NOT Entitlement! That's what I see from him and reading his background.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)room, shouting, and being disruptive, can possibly accomplish anything useful.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)the stupid notion that they're gonna effect a course change RIGHT THERE is revealing as to their dim-wittedness. Let them run for office. Let them swim against the current while idiots throw rocks at them. What a GREAT way make your point - effectively making things worse.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)with an agenda has done this. Sigh. No wonder so little of substance gets accomplished in this country.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Making himself a focal point for vast and significant changes to the way this nation operates should afford him the chance to lay out the plans he has in an atmosphere of civility and respect. Which of those shouting rubes has a chance at grabbing the national stage tomorrow? We have to recognize our first string players and give them the field. If all the fans and cat-callers are going to pour onto the grounds, what stands to be achieved?
Of course!...... ANY and ALL of those disruptors SHOULD make a run for whatever seat of power their notion and wallet allows. But just sheer mayhem and disrespect - that's anarchy. Then it's simply a matter of might and intimidation.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I very much like that he doesn't cave in to disruptors who try to derail him. On balance, I think it's the case that this kind of a reception was made inevitable. It's happened, and the Sanders campaign continues on, addressing the concerns of everybody in the country.
The moderator seemed deeply thrown off his game. An event like this is about discussion. Posturing that cuts off discussion should be effectively kept in check by the events organizers. I have to wonder if people thought this through.
Political theater is much more effective when it respects the players. Have your tough questions ready, and have your supporters cheering. Those responding to questions shouldn't do a Christie, they should address the people's concerns, even if they are riled up.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)the disruptors, inexcusable. They needed to be removed from the hall so that those who wanted to hear, could do so.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)I do have a question: BLM is not on the news and even online every day as it was just after the protests in Ferguson MO. They stayed out there on the streets and even took the issue to the highways in order to keep the issue in sight.
As I said before I remember then at Selma during the anniversary. They were standing near the stage and at one point began to chant "BLM, BLM, BLM" but the crowd asked them to stop because they could not hear the speakers.
They are having a hard time keeping their issue in the public view. So this weekend we see them interrupt two speeches. They do not seem to want to listen even when the candidate is answering their questions. But look at the media attention they have gotten over this.
Another poster on another thread who was very angry at white America - all of them - said something that got me to thinking about this. He was talking about being sick of white politicians and said that this was not just about Bernie and O'Malley. That the other candidates would also get their turn. All of them.
Is this the new form of protest that is designed to keep the BLM issue before the country. If so I cannot blame them for this but I am worried that it is going to backfire. This country is in a hell of a mess and it is not just social injustice. It is economic injustice also and that hits all of us regardless of color. So if they are going to disrupt the primary campaign to the point that all we get done is one protest after another many voters are going to be upset and turn away from both the campaign and the BLM movement.
Many of us think that this election is our last chance and to stop the reasons for the whole crisis. And yes the economy is getting better - for some - but not all of us. Change is vital in both issues.
In the Democratic Party we know that - we are not going to be happy if we do not get a chance to find a way to bring change. As I read the threads about this today I heard that frustration in many of the posters. The support for BLM but the frustration that we are not working together. We need to find a way for all of us to work together or we are not going to get any change for any of us.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)There is much anger that needs to be addressed about Militarization of our Police Departments and the combat training of them in other countries to act against "Terrorists" fighters rather than being the "protector of the people in their communities" that they are serving. The MRAPS, GUNS and other Military Weapons that are being given or sold to our local police is a disgrace along with the Military Training in Israel on techniques. The Prison Industrial Complex and Drug laws need to be addressed and I wish Obama had directed Eric Holder to get more on top of this way back. Obama's says he's going to make changes in the Military Equipment our Police have and are using but what about the Terror Fighting training. What about the abuse techniques against people of color while those with privilege get a tap on the hand.
and what you say:
"In the Democratic Party we know that - we are not going to be happy if we do not get a chance to find a way to bring change. As I read the threads about this today I heard that frustration in many of the posters. The support for BLM but the frustration that we are not working together. We need to find a way for all of us to work together or we are not going to get any change for any of us.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)candidates. I sure did, and it feels good. Please try it!
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Look, what he said may sound fine to white ears, but to black ears he just doesn't come across like he LISTENED to the protesters, but that he basically still just gave a prepared set of remarks. So he's getting a lot of mockery.
Messaging is important, and Bernie HAS to find a message that tells AA voters that he IS listening to them, and what he will do to address their needs, or he simply won't get the votes.
I hope somebody in his inner circle is pointing that out to him right now. This is NOT the time to be 'just another politician', who merely hears, but fails to understand what he's being told.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)for the presidency. That means all types of issues. No matter how many times he talks about black issues it is not enough. My family is a mixed race family and we are also having troubles with racial issues but we also want to know about what he thinks about a lot of other issues that are pulling us down as well.
How far do you think he would get in this campaign if he just talked about police violence and racism? How far would any candidate get? Jesse Jackson was loved in Iowa because he talked to the farmers about their problems. Likewise President Obama did not address just a couple of issues.
I have heard Bernie address the issue of police violence, militarization of our police forces, mass incarceration, voters rights and racism often.
What is he supposed to do?