In another thread about adjusting his message!

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"Toad and other Bernie bashers (GDP)...

will never be satisfied.

Bernie can change his narrative, drilling down to microscopic pinpoints...and it's never going to be good enough for those that are only concerned with their agenda. The is no compromising with them to make them happy...ever. You will never hear Toad say, OK I get it...end of conversation.

Where was HRC today on the shows? Oh ya...no where to be found, as she's roped off from any media.

Bernie and Team Bernie are doing just fine right now."

Just kidding.

Just got a pm telling me how awful Bernie supporters are. I did not respond, just blocked them from PMing me.

It's really getting bad.

for all the "awful Bernie supporters" on DU, and I haven't found a single one. Not a single one.

Guess I'll keep looking...

(P. S. AND, I'll keep supporting Bernie!)

To some of the folks here on DU, we have to be "crazy" to support Bernie. Anyone who supports Bernie and brings up issues about a different candidate is attacking that candidate. Sheesh!
They tell us that Bernie is not a real Democrat, because he did not raise money for the party.
Apparently there are many people who are satisfied with the status quo, and the corporate takeover of the US, and will do nothing about it. They even support candidates who side with the corporate interests.
I guess that I am crazy for thinking that unless something is done about the money in politics, and support a politician who is also against this legal bribery, than so be it!
I still believe that Bernie SHALL win!

DNC-DCCC and DSCC They Can Go To HELL!! You're Nothing But A Corrupt Corporate Shills!! I Give To The Blue America PAC - Run By Digby - John Amato and Howie Klein! Not A Penny Goes To Them! They Find Real Progressives To Run Not Corporate Shills!

And it's just going to get worse. He's a treasure, let's protect him.

I deleted because I accidentally left my real name in there. Reposting here

Subject: "he did not raise money for the party"

Is that seriously a meme making the rounds? I hadn't heard that one and we need to shut it down because it's just plain false. Bernie has many times signed fundraising e-mails for the DSCC. Here's some text from the last one I found in a quick e-mail search (I'm almost there's more recent ones too, just can't find them at the moment)

of obnoxious Hillary supporters who post the same 3 or 4 memes over and over for how many months now? They have nothing to add to the conversation. Nothing. I love the Ignore feature.

In the 2008 election cycle, I had a lot of blocked "Hillary Supporters" (most of them had Hill in their screen name). Seems to be a lot of negativity this time around, too.

I think they want Clinton over Bush.

Those with bets on all the rides except Sanders are getting nervous. It's beautiful to watch the jockeying, kicking and back-biting for position before they're even IN the starting gates.

I've been saying this for awhile now.

"Oh Hillary is on top of that", even though she didn't start talking about many of the major issues in her speeches today until Bernie was gaining in popularity...then she started copying his message and coming out with similar stances on things, and suddenly it's Hillary Hillary Hillary, even though she never mentioned any of that before. She's for it, but nothing Bernie says is enough to convince them that he's for it, even though he's always been fighting the good fight on all these topics.

It's enough to make you laugh or cry.

nt

The Bern must be stopped at all costs or there will be trouble in Oligarchy land.

Always about the money.

In addition to the money, I suspect it's more about 'keeping the little people in line'.
"Please sir, may I have some more?" has worked for the 1% for so long, they've gotten used to throwing us crumbs and bones.
If Sanders gets the nom and/ or wins, their entire world view will be turned upside down - mighty scary concept for America's TRUE minority (the billionaires).

But once it infects you I am afraid it is hopeless. And they can never have enough money and power to satisfy the craving.

If he chases the issue there will always be one more thing he needs to do in order to meet new demands. I thought he did fine with the interview today but it was the first time I've seen him off message.

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Seemed to me it came at the expense hammering home his core message. The latest polls show about half don't even know who he is yet so he's still got some work to do introducing himself to the public.

Thanks.

Bernie is fantastic, however, and I feel his sincerity will have him rising above it.

I for one will be out trying to introduce him to as many undecided voters as I can. Many Hillary supporters outside of DU support her only because they are unfamiliar with either Bernie or O'Malley. We have a lot of work to do and as far as the Hillary supporters on DU, they just don't count as a deciding demographic.

and that is the one thing that threatens the status quo. That's what this is about & the billionaires will do whatever they can to shut him down.

This campaign is going to be run by his supporters - we will get no help from media or anyone in any position of power.

He needs to just move on & do his thing. We will continue to distribute that far and wide via social media and in person.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

and the HRC camp knows it, so one of their memes is to carp, "Oh, he always gives the same speech." Damn straight, Skippy. And an excellent and inspiring speech it is! And he never shrinks from the opportunity to deliver it. He was quite effective on Meet the Press today. And as the panel discussion highlighted, HRC's refusal to engage the press is seen as arrogance. Maybe it's that, or perhaps it's that she and her hundreds of handlers know she cannot handle unscripted appearances and she lacks the courage to try.

I could point out to them that their biggest problem is a candidate who is vague at best, and reluctant to come down on one side or the other of most issues.

It's called their stump speech, and anyone who pays attention to politics knows that. Especially the HRC minions.

another filled stadium! Most people I know from there hate Jindal so much that they'll take anyone else. I bet Bernie is easily winning them over!

Nuff said.

They edited out a part of that interview that directly contradicted the op. It was shameless, dishonest and should be disallowed.
I expect better of DUer's
This post was edited to add "in GDP" to the reply title.

It makes for a much better DU experience.

I just got too tired of getting upset with the troll bait. But that was a good response.

It's the pot they are used to damn it, and they aren't going to change pots now no matter how much sense it makes.

Better to ignore those with an agenda and move forward. I think that is what Sanders is trying to do. Lay out your principles and the hell with those who say they "aren't enough"

And it can get rough - but before getting too upset think about where we are.

The internet. Try not to get virtual tunnel vision. Chill and relax. Don't despair. The important part is the OP. And the # of reccs.

DU is one of my homepages. And every single day I notice that there are at least 4 or 5 POSITIVE fact based Bernie OP's on the Greatest Threads or Trending Now sections. Hillary OP's not so much - maybe 1 or 2 over the coarse of a day. And I stay away from the negative ones without any real facts about any Democratic candidate.

IMHO the comments are largely interesting to policy wonks and hard core bloggers - not so much Jose and Janet Sixpack, who probably have never heard of DU. As a long time lurker - 11 years and counting - who only posts occasionally but lurks almost every single day, I in general stay out of the deep end of the comment section but when I do stick my toes in I can usually identify those commenters who have an ax to grind or are there to disrupt, with ease, as I imagine most here can. And I give their posts due consideration (or in extreme cases the ignore button for those with obnoxious ADHD who are there only to derail topics).

Mostly I post occasionally to support those posters I agree with to reinforce support for them, but usually I sit back, ingest facts and enjoy the popcorn.



Cheers! Fight the good fight assertively yet respectfully - whatever you believe it is - remember all liberals and progressives need to be on the same side in the end (despite what the oligarchs think) and post accordingly, and Have a wonderful day!

But I will say this. I believe there was a true desire by many to hear him talk more directly about civil rights and social justice issues, and I as a supporter I am loving hearing him address them more directly. And I think overall this will end up being a positive for him. There are unpersuadables, but there are also people who he can reach out to by talking more about this. As a supporter, I'm happy to see it.

I agree.

His problem was never getting the opportunity to.

like Todd frame the debate.

That's another thing to like, IMO.

some prefer not to hear it. and i agree with him: economic and social justice are parallel, and you cannot have one without the other.

economic factors (read the rich peoples greed) and the need for their political hacks to divide the people institutionalized the racial hatred. While they may appear to be separate parallel, the cause of both is the same economic greed and we must speak their names, ( Big Banks, Big Corporations, Billionaires and millionaires) and work to subvert their manipulation of our government through their purchases of our candidates. Racism was bred to feed upon a powerful need of the egos of poor whites and thereby deflecting their anger from the rich classes that abused them before and after the civil war. This need to feel better about yourself when you at the bottom of the barrel, drives the hatred spewed by republicans even as we democrats continue to support puppets of the rich. If you want to attack racism, you have to address its economic causes and that is the desire of the rich for more and more domination over our government in order to further increase economic inequities.
Democrats are fond of saying that a rising tide raises all boats, the rich only measure their success in terms of how high their boat is in terms of everyone else's. They understand that increases in comparative wealth rather than just increased wealth is needed to satisfy greed for wealth and they covet the power that wealth is to provide them. As a result they are constantly striving to get more and more wealth and political power. Bernie Sanders would work to remove both from them-comparative wealth and political power. Is it any wonder they fund Hillary and try to deflect our attention with main stream attacks on right wing clowns. The rich just want to own a government- what ever party it calls itself. To deny this is ignorance of our history and a lack of understanding of human nature. Go Bernie!

especially considering so many black people are still living in poverty, and over 50% of black youth are unemployed. there are no industries or services in many black communities, except the "poverty industries," like check cashing outfits that are guilty of usury, and i am sure pay low wages. it is all entwined, and cannot be separated. and many of these companies are owned by big corporations, like banks, that have abandoned those communities. i support Bernie Sanders!

You've been fighting the good fight, but you are up against regular weak assed human beings ...

There is NOTHING you can do that will convince 100% of any population to agree to an idea ...

Know that you are doing your best and accept that some will refuse your message ... Don't beat yourself up over that ... You do far more good than you realize ...

You have our utter respect ...

July 29 is next ... Love YOU, mad ...

. . .that too many media and people have.

You can only say sorry so many times in so many different ways.

Fuck this shit. Let's move on and forward.

Been having a hard time getting good ones around here.

and bogarting my maters!

Love good tomatoes.

OK, so they're not the fancy schmancy ones like you grow/breed/write about. But I like my little Sweet 100's and my Romas nonetheless

Seriously, I'm dieting and the diet said I can have as much veggies as I want so when I get the munchies I just go out to the garden and chow down on some cherry tomatoes.

The billionaires can't have the people united on common ground. Otherwise the billionaires might lose control.

Bring it on.. not a flip flop ever.

Madfloridian, don't even THINK about leaving DU! We'll come find you and drag you back here...kickin' & screamin', if need be!!!

I will help with that, if need be.

(Really, don't you dare go, Mad! Your advocacy and activism is essential!!!)

I'd be at a lost. Always click on MadFlo posts and learn a lot.

It's hard to tell here who is of the "privileged class", don't you think?

I no longer post in GDP. So I could swear...why yes, I am.

We are not anyone's enemy. Never have been.

I take full responsibility for my own statements.
They represent only my opinions, and no one else's.

Here's one right now ...

I think corporatists SUCK, no matter which party they are affiliated with.

Oligarchy sucks.

Plutarchy sucks.

Neocons suck.
Militarists and war-profiteers suck.

These things will suck as long as there is a universe with living things somewhere in it.

And the supporters of such policies are also misguided and morally compromised (unless they are rich,
or directly profit from the MIC, in which case they are simply serving their own selfish interests).

This is unequivocal and empirical.

I still think many "Democrats" who support Hillary and corporatism can be retrieved----Saved from themselves.
Perhaps 4 years of Prez Hillary pushing more corporatist/Pro-wall st/war-mongering policies on a beleagered America will help persuade them?

It is our job as Bernie-supporters to prevent that from happening, if we can.

And if we fail, all will suffer.

This group is a safe haven and your attacks on a member are not welcome.

so if she's willing I'm going to make her a host, she can block them.

Apropos of nothing I'd just like to state that part of the reason I like supporting Sanders is that his campaign gets it. It doesn't ignore the fundamental unfairness and corruption of the system, and how that amplifies all the pain and suffering of those not in the upper tiers.

Sanders supporters identify with these people. We're not about just tossing a kiss and a promise their way. God help us all if people don't wise up to the fundamental changes needed to our system. We're very close to becoming substantially shut out of it. Our courts and legislatures have decreed that money is speech, and that those with the gold get to make the rules.

People need for the scales to fall from their eyes, and to see what's at stake in this election cycle.

I think people know, in their heart of hearts, that Sanders is our best, and maybe last, hope to keep the curtain from coming down on our American Experiment, and seeing control slip from our hands, into the tightfisted ones of a wealth based aristocracy. He's not going to be the answer to all our problems, but way too much negativity is getting projected onto him.

Say what you will about it but the bottom line is that even many our own have sold out to big money ...to win. This is the last stand for the people. Vote for Bernie or our democracy will die.

I agree that if Bernie does not win the primary there will be no point in giving a shit about the Dem party. I myself will re-register as an Ind and I won't be on DU any more which should make the pro oligarchy to win gang very happy. Enjoy it ...cause you're never going to be part of the oligarchy and they will never really give a shit about you.

little for me to do other than stop paying much attention to politics. I've tried for 20 years to get people to see what's happening to them and their country and I've had very little success. I don't even LIKE politics but felt it was my duty as a citizen to keep up on things and try to help progressives do better. I'm at the point where I think things are going to have to get a whole lot worse before anyone wakes up, and since I don't have much time left and would rather play with my grandchild, I'm going to be spending a lot less time on something I can't change. I can't convince stupid people of anything and I'm going to stop trying.

playing with my cats and birds.

finally figuring out - you do what you can and let go. (which nobody has to be old to do anyway. )

We will have a Republican president and DU will return to being undergrond...and some will blame Bernie supporters for it.

in fact the lefties are the biggest nose-holders out there--and get blamed every time said nose-holding isn't enough; and once there's a response after the 40th stimulus the rhetoric only redoubles

of course anyone to the left of Franco is both so minority they don't need to be listened to AND such a mighty campaign force that every loss is ALL! THEIR! FAULT!

OTOH sometimes they acknowledge discontented voters--as a sign that the party's moved too far left

The GOP has them too...and they are the cause of the Trump factor. They are so tired of it they are willing to press the destruct button.
And it is not just about racism...for many of them their life has gotten worse no matter what party wins.

we just have to get them to the primaries!

the Dem Establishment tries to keep the old "votes for nothing more than party label" thing going because that's literally all they have to offer by now (and all the corpo pursestring-holders will allow)

plus, y'know, scads and scads of Rockefeller and Weicker Republicans, many of whom hate the fundaloons and ex-Dixiecrats more than many DUers might--imagine the party loathing if Gerry Boykin was named OUR running mate!

2016-20 may or may not see a shuffling back to more midcentury voting patterns: OTOH that might be bad since any new New England or Midwestern or West Coast Pubs are still voting Pub!

Vote for the party label our of fear, and they play to those fears.

Sanders threatens to break up that game by getting people to vote for something instead of against something...so both parties have common interest in a way. They both count on fear of the other to stay in power.

from the waves of tax cuts the thrice-divorced and lecherous pass once they ride waves of Jayzus and "urban-type thugs" into office

Reagan forged a new GOP from four big sectors--MIC, right-libertarians, Big Business, and the fundies: these sectors are all powerful enough to be parties on their own under a parliamentary system, and already act as kingmakers and even have their own publishing houses

hence the constant race-baiting--YOU don't get welfare, you get government assistance, or the constant Holocaust references (I think they already used that card for a construction scandal somewhere but can't Google it on DU): a heated rhetorical atmosphere doesn't just demonize opponents by association or decouple emotion from any real referent (extraordinarily dangerous already), it *empties politics of meaning altogether* (like how the fundies have little to do with the New Testament, or 80% of the Old, or any legitimate rabbinical readings of the remaining ~20%--or in fact have any of their flock change a damn thing about their lives that doesn't match the existing prejudices of the moment)

it's like the Dem loyalists panicking because if you don't vote for a candidate who promotes X, Y, and Z, a Pub will get in and pass X, Y, and Z! OMG YOU'D BE TOTALLY TO BLAME! it's a Baudrillardian nightmare

thus lots of power. And a lot of it comes from the tax payer in direct or indirect ways.

It clearly looks like a game is being played to me...and the suckers are the people.

and hired Rummy and Cheneybeast for the foreign policy

apparently Barry, Dick, and Ronnie were both Californians who hated the GOP's WASP establishment, and rewired the party to run on resentment pretty soon after Ike stepped down; the neocons took over the Baptists, the NRA, even pharmacists' orgs late 70s

Reagan actually made people swing left and ended up with a Dem Congress most of the time; then Iran-Contra made him a lame duck and the Pubs started whispering that he might be a Commie himself: he only became elevated to godhood with the newest revival/purge of the party in 1994, with Gingrich and the Dixiecrat defections--until then they were sick of being associated with him (he was a bigger dweeb than the guy who made Family Circus if my readings in Simi Valley are anything to go by)

If you show you are ruthless and will do anything it takes to further the goal of the job creators you will advance...they have to test your level of sociopath to see if you qualify.
Or if you suck a good dick that could lead to something too.

But thanks for the warning.

line when it all collapses.

... when they feel their status threatened.

Thanks for fighting the good fight, MF!

That's pretty blatant, don't you think?

I agree Bernie is fixing his message to please those who were not happy with it.

I don't agree there are racists in our group.

I just wish you could believe that because someone disagrees with the way things were done, that does not mean a racial component.

I may be forced to leave DU because of the racist tag on me. There are others who fear the same.

"Illegitimi non carborundum."

Before all the former altar boys and Classics majors crawl out of the woodwork, yes, it's pidgin Latin.

Stick around, Mad, please!

Anyone with an 8th grade reading comprehension level knows you weren't talking about every Bernie supporter. I guess some people like to be a pain in the butt. About the people who are objecting to what you said, an old saying comes to mind- the guilty dog barks first.

Hmmmm