Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWho might be a VP with Bernie Sanders?
I may be asleep at the wheel, but isn't Russ Feingold a possibility?
I also am very curious who is going to be running his campaign. Any thoughts?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Devine previously served as a senior adviser to the Kerry-Edwards campaign in 2004 and the Gore-Lieberman campaign in 2000. In 1992, he was campaign manager for then-Nebraska senator Bob Kerreys presidential bid.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)How Lieberman ever got to be vp is beyond me. You'd think an adviser would have known better.
I thought both of those campaigns were too mild. I think Bernie has almost too much fire for most Americans. We'll see.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Gore needed someone to oppose the narrative around Bill Clinton's zipper.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I'm going to go hide now.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)No explanation needed.
Finally, us "fringe" forum members have reason to be cheerful.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Independently wealthy. Someone like Bloomberg. (But NOT Bloomberg.)
I'm for Bernie... but he's gonna have to figure out how to compete w. the Wall Street candidates.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)He likes what he does, talking about it.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Before the convention, I don't think there'd be a need for him to pick a millionaire as nominal "running mate" to evade campaign finance laws, with the intention of replacing the millionaire with the real VP candidate once the nomination was secured. IIRC Gene McCarthy did that in a post-1968 campaign. Since then, however, the campaign finance laws have been so eviscerated that a millionaire supporting Sanders wouldn't need that subterfuge.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Representative Alan Grayson.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm not sure America could handle it, but I love it!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)That would be my dream team. It will be interesting to see who he chooses.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)round off the ticket to get votes. A southern, female possibly. VP is mostly a figurehead position.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)As a Jewish New Englander, Bernie's going to need to balance that ticket with a "real 'murkin" -- and that can mean only one thing. A Texan, baby!
Sanders/Hightower 2016!
Yee-haw!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)than Hightower.
salimbag
(173 posts)Perhaps a current governor, or recent governor? Jennifer Granholm?
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... if Ted Cruz were nominated by the Republicans.
Then if Republicans complain about her being Canadian, we could do the same against Ted Cruz!
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Although both were born in Canada, Cruz had a U.S. citizen parent. He was a citizen at birth.
Granholm's case is persuasive that the natural-born citizen requirement is a mistake. Her family moved here when she was two years old. She ought to be eligible, but isn't.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)The right seemed to think her being a citizen didn't matter if he wasn't born in Hawaii in establishing his eligibility.
You can bet that if they could find a way to prove he was born in Indonesia (incidentally like I was myself), that he'd be ineligible. Throughout my life, I think there's always been a question if I qualified as being eligible to run for president too born to two American citizens there, since that question hadn't really been put to the test.
Now as far as McCain goes, he was born in Panama, but I think the question was whether he was born on "American territory" on whether he was born at the American base hospital in the "canal zone" that was part of American territory or another part of Panama, where it arguably wasn't. And if you look at the announcements, or lack of them, for births at the American hospital down there, this hadn't really been established firmly either. Democrats though of course weren't really pressing that issue like Republicans would have I'm sure.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Under the law in effect when both Obama and Cruz were born, a child born abroad with one citizen parent and one noncitizen parent was a citizen at birth, provided that the citizen parent met certain residency requirements. One of those was having lived in the United States for at least five years after attaining the age of 14.
Obama's mother was only 18 when he was born, so she didn't meet that requirement. If she had, for some inexplicable reason, undertaken a lengthy and expensive trip, while pregnant, so as to give birth in the Third World instead of in a U.S. hospital where she lived, then her son would not have been a citizen at birth.
Cruz's mother, by contrast, was several years past her 19th birthday. She was born in the U.S., graduated from college here, and worked here for a while before she and her noncitizen husband moved to Canada. There is no serious question that she lived in the U.S. for at least five years after turning 14. Of course, it's possible that some Orly Taitz of the left might come forward and demand that she produce utility bills or rent checks from the 1960s to prove that point. The Constitution is silent about the procedure for determining eligibility.
The law has since been changed. Now, a child born abroad to a married woman is a citizen if either spouse is a citizen, without regard to residency. The answer was at one point more complicated if the woman was unmarried but I don't know the current provision on that score.
With regard to McCain, I think the whole business about a hospital on the base is a red herring. If some Panamanian woman had happened to go into labor near there and be rushed to that hospital, I don't think the child would have been considered a citizen. It simply wasn't a part of the United States for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment.
The real answer is that McCain, unlike Obama and Cruz, did not have a noncitizen parent. Under current law, a child born abroad to two U.S. citizens is a citizen at birth. I think at one point the law was somewhat more restrictive and conferred citizenship in such instances only when one of the parents was in the military or diplomatic service of the United States -- I'm not sure about that. Your eligibility would depend on checking the law as it stood on the date of your birth. McCain's parents were both citizens and his father was in the military so McCain met even that tougher criterion.
I vaguely recall that there might actually be some semblance of a legitimate argument about McCain. (There is not even such a semblance in the cases of Obama or Cruz, or of Jindal, whom some of the extreme birthers also consider ineligible because his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth in the United States.) The argument about McCain is that, as of the date of his birth, which you may recall was quite some time ago, the statute about citizenship hadn't yet been honed as well as it has been since, and there might have been some ambiguity in the provisions in effect back then. The law was amended after his birth and the amendment was stated to be retroactive, but there's a legitimate question about whether retroactivity can apply in this context. If McCain was not a citizen at birth, but was subsequently conferred citizenship, one could argue that he is now a citizen but not a natural-born citizen. I do know that one of the people who sued over Obama's eligibility also sued over McCain's, with both cases being thrown out of court.
Several years back there was noise about amending the Constitution to eliminate the requirement. The idea was that Democrats would support it to make Granholm eligible, while Republicans would feel the same way about a certain popular but Austrian-born Governor of California. (This was when Schwarzenegger was riding high in the polls.) Alas, nothing came of it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)She said she's not running for President but maybe she could be interested in being the Veep.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I thought that was a brilliant suggestion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Also a NO vote for IWR.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)while we get in position to worry about it.
TBF
(32,114 posts)southern, midwest, or western. I like Tammy Baldwin but there are others.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Just brainstorming out loud.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)Please Bernie!!!!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)a donation if he runs for the Senate. I donated to his last campaign as well, and quite frankly was shocked that he lost.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The results of the phone banking were enlightening in a stomach-churning sort of way. I generally take my time with calls, and get into conversations with people if they are willing to do so when I call. I talked a few Russ-leaning people into agreeing to vote, and maybe did some good that way, but I heard a lot of desperation mixed with apathy out there.
Some were saying they weren't going to vote because they voted for Obama wanting change, and they didn't get it. One woman talked about how she just barely missed qualifying for Badger Care (WI's extension to Medicaid), and had a policy from her $8/hour job with a $3000 deductible, which was the same as not having insurance as far as she was concerned. It didnt do much good to point out that the Health Insurance Reform legislation wont swing into full effect for another three years.
Another woman said she has been out of work for 2 years, hasn't been able to make her house payments, and is about to be foreclosed on. She wanted to know why the billions in bailouts went to the banks. Wouldn't it have been better to give that money to the people who needed it and let them pay their bills with it?
The bailouts were a recurrent them. Jobs were another. People on the edge of personal financial disaster were simply not much moved by hearing how much worse things might have been under Republican rule.
I would summarize the afternoon of phone calling by saying that I think the Democratic Party is in deeper trouble than they recognize. People who voted for Obama have not felt much change in their lives except an increasing sense of desperation. They are demoralized. They feel burned. They are in "Fool me once " mode. They're not just bitter at Democrats; I doubt that many of them will vote for Republicans.
They just won't vote.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)following Obama's election; I was there myself. However, Russ has a great record as a true populist, so for voters to shun him, or sit out the election because of disappointment with Obama seems akin to shooting yourself in the foot....purposely. I only WISH we could get a progressive candidate on the ballot here in NC, but to date it just hasn't happened. Perhaps Bernie's candidacy will wake up many voters to the truth and things will begin to open up for progressives nationwide. May be a pipe dream, but maybe not. Bernie garnered not only over 1.5 million in donations on his first day, but has now also acquired over 175,000 people who have volunteered to work for his campaign. Perhaps there is hope.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I think someone said Russ Feingold as another.
Please leave Liz Warren in the Senate on the finance committee.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)He's been a great progressive there, being the first Senator to stand for reform of our marijuana prohibition laws. Someone with a very good knowledge of what has been done with finance laws, etc. that is needed for economic reform to be potentially the vote to break a tie in the senate in 2016.
I had wanted to have him wait and see if he could perhaps inherit the Senate Majority/Minority Leader from Harry Reid, since Merkley had been working hard the last two election cycles to put in proper filibuster rules that weren't allowed to happen, but which could have helped us pass a lot more decent legislation and exposed any Republican attempts at filibusters as not being well motivated to the public if they had to justify it on television. But it seems that unfortunately that job is being tossed to Chuck Schumer.
But perhaps if we can think of a good progressive that isn't in a political position now, but has been active on the world stage that could be a good asset in foreign policy in negotiating with other countries, that person might be looked at more so. Especially if that person would be a woman or a person of color too.
I was thinking of Feingold too, but I'd like to see him get back that Wisconsin senate seat, which I think he'd have locked up.
Howard Dean was a possibility, but he's already just about endorsed Hillary, so I think he's out.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)I don't know much about his policies, and am in this group because I support Bernie's fully-- not knowing which candidates will be still standing on Super Tuesday, can't predict my vote at this point. Was an Edwards supporter turned Obama primary voter in 2008. But ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL (which they never are), gubernatorial experience trumps senatorial experience in terms of executive competence, and 52 is better than 73 against a Republican field of young things.
O'Malley as running mate would help with both these issues. Maryland is every bit as solidly Dem as Vermont, but as a border state seems more "mainstream" than a Vermont/Massachusetts ticket with Warren would appear. He would also help shore up the party loyalty voters, more so than Warren who probably isn't interested anyhow.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I know that, on some issues, he's more conservative, and he's made some ill-conceived remarks that were offensive to, according to his Wikipedia bio, "Democrats, Republicans, women, Southerners and gays." Writing off those groups would not be a good start. Nevertheless, he has some of the same virtues as Bernie (populist, straight talker), and adds gubernatorial experience, which the voters seem to value.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)She's retiring, so we wouldn't lose a sitting Dem.
The two together span the country.