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Who might be a VP with Bernie Sanders? (Original Post) Gregorian Apr 2015 OP
Tad Devine signed on in November last year as campaign Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #1
Thanks. I imagine Bernie knows best. Gregorian Apr 2015 #6
Lieberman got to be VP because he was a vocal opponent of Bill Clinton's Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #20
And it definitely dampened enthusiasm for Gore's campaign :( arcane1 Apr 2015 #26
Uhm ...Hillary for VP??? L0oniX Apr 2015 #2
Funny how I knew that was ironic. Gregorian Apr 2015 #7
Someone w. TONS of cash. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2015 #3
Thom Hartmann? Gregorian Apr 2015 #9
Thom as repeatedly said he's not interested in entering politics. Cleita Apr 2015 #12
In the general election, Sanders as the Democratic nominee could choose to accept public financing. Jim Lane May 2015 #36
My fantasy; SamKnause Apr 2015 #4
Alan would be awesome too. n/t Cleita Apr 2015 #13
Grayson would be excellent. I can't believe the number of great possible VP's. Gregorian Apr 2015 #17
That much hard-truth telling, in one campaign? arcane1 Apr 2015 #28
Elizabeth Warren would be awesome MissDeeds Apr 2015 #5
Please no. Sen Warren is a huge asset in the Senate. The VP is choosen to rhett o rick Apr 2015 #23
Shutter this thread, because I have THE answer Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #8
I agree that a southerner would be good but I'd look for someone more conservative rhett o rick Apr 2015 #22
A woman salimbag Apr 2015 #10
Oh yeah! Great. Gregorian Apr 2015 #15
Jennifer Granholm would be interesting... cascadiance Apr 2015 #24
Cruz is eligible. Granholm isn't. Jim Lane May 2015 #37
So... Obama's mother wasn't an American citizen? cascadiance May 2015 #39
Obama's mother wasn't an old enough American citizen. Jim Lane May 2015 #41
Elizabeth Warren? Cleita Apr 2015 #11
DUer NoJusticeNoPeace suggested Barbara Lee. Zorra Apr 2015 #14
This is too good! Another anti-Iraq invasion voter. Gregorian Apr 2015 #16
Definitely interesting.... daleanime Apr 2015 #18
Hell yes BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #25
Barbara Lee looks like a great fit. Vincardog Apr 2015 #29
I like Barbara. immoderate Apr 2015 #30
I like her! Nite Owl Apr 2015 #33
Some thing to talk about..... daleanime Apr 2015 #19
Someone younger, female or male, TBF Apr 2015 #21
The black woman Senator from TX. Vincardog Apr 2015 #27
Or what about Wendy Davis? Gregorian Apr 2015 #31
Feingold on the ticket would work for me. eom NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #32
Yes! Nite Owl Apr 2015 #34
I think he' planning a Senate run in 2016. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #45
I'll give him NorthCarolina May 2015 #46
Here is something I wrote during the 2010 campaign that may be of interest in this context: Jackpine Radical May 2015 #47
I TOTALLY understand the disappointment NorthCarolina May 2015 #48
O'Malley is one possibility hootinholler Apr 2015 #35
Another one from the Senate from the finance committee might be Jeff Merkley cascadiance May 2015 #40
Yes...Warren in the Senate, Bernie as President, Feingold as VP deutsey May 2015 #42
O'Malley has definite pluses carolinayellowdog May 2015 #43
Brian Schweitzer? Jim Lane May 2015 #38
Barbara Lee... malokvale77 May 2015 #44

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. Tad Devine signed on in November last year as campaign
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:30 PM
Apr 2015
Tad Devine signs on to work with Bernie Sanders on potential 2016 run
Devine previously served as a senior adviser to the Kerry-Edwards campaign in 2004 and the Gore-Lieberman campaign in 2000. In 1992, he was campaign manager for then-Nebraska senator Bob Kerrey’s presidential bid.


Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
6. Thanks. I imagine Bernie knows best.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015

How Lieberman ever got to be vp is beyond me. You'd think an adviser would have known better.

I thought both of those campaigns were too mild. I think Bernie has almost too much fire for most Americans. We'll see.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. Lieberman got to be VP because he was a vocal opponent of Bill Clinton's
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:17 PM
Apr 2015

Gore needed someone to oppose the narrative around Bill Clinton's zipper.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
7. Funny how I knew that was ironic.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:49 PM
Apr 2015

No explanation needed.

Finally, us "fringe" forum members have reason to be cheerful.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
3. Someone w. TONS of cash.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:31 PM
Apr 2015

Independently wealthy. Someone like Bloomberg. (But NOT Bloomberg.)

I'm for Bernie... but he's gonna have to figure out how to compete w. the Wall Street candidates.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. Thom as repeatedly said he's not interested in entering politics.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

He likes what he does, talking about it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
36. In the general election, Sanders as the Democratic nominee could choose to accept public financing.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:49 AM
May 2015

Before the convention, I don't think there'd be a need for him to pick a millionaire as nominal "running mate" to evade campaign finance laws, with the intention of replacing the millionaire with the real VP candidate once the nomination was secured. IIRC Gene McCarthy did that in a post-1968 campaign. Since then, however, the campaign finance laws have been so eviscerated that a millionaire supporting Sanders wouldn't need that subterfuge.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. That much hard-truth telling, in one campaign?
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure America could handle it, but I love it!

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
5. Elizabeth Warren would be awesome
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:37 PM
Apr 2015

That would be my dream team. It will be interesting to see who he chooses.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. Please no. Sen Warren is a huge asset in the Senate. The VP is choosen to
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

round off the ticket to get votes. A southern, female possibly. VP is mostly a figurehead position.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
8. Shutter this thread, because I have THE answer
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:58 PM
Apr 2015

As a Jewish New Englander, Bernie's going to need to balance that ticket with a "real 'murkin" -- and that can mean only one thing. A Texan, baby!

Sanders/Hightower 2016!

Yee-haw!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
24. Jennifer Granholm would be interesting...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

... if Ted Cruz were nominated by the Republicans.

Then if Republicans complain about her being Canadian, we could do the same against Ted Cruz!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
37. Cruz is eligible. Granholm isn't.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:52 AM
May 2015

Although both were born in Canada, Cruz had a U.S. citizen parent. He was a citizen at birth.

Granholm's case is persuasive that the natural-born citizen requirement is a mistake. Her family moved here when she was two years old. She ought to be eligible, but isn't.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
39. So... Obama's mother wasn't an American citizen?
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:14 AM
May 2015

The right seemed to think her being a citizen didn't matter if he wasn't born in Hawaii in establishing his eligibility.

You can bet that if they could find a way to prove he was born in Indonesia (incidentally like I was myself), that he'd be ineligible. Throughout my life, I think there's always been a question if I qualified as being eligible to run for president too born to two American citizens there, since that question hadn't really been put to the test.

Now as far as McCain goes, he was born in Panama, but I think the question was whether he was born on "American territory" on whether he was born at the American base hospital in the "canal zone" that was part of American territory or another part of Panama, where it arguably wasn't. And if you look at the announcements, or lack of them, for births at the American hospital down there, this hadn't really been established firmly either. Democrats though of course weren't really pressing that issue like Republicans would have I'm sure.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
41. Obama's mother wasn't an old enough American citizen.
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:29 AM
May 2015

Under the law in effect when both Obama and Cruz were born, a child born abroad with one citizen parent and one noncitizen parent was a citizen at birth, provided that the citizen parent met certain residency requirements. One of those was having lived in the United States for at least five years after attaining the age of 14.

Obama's mother was only 18 when he was born, so she didn't meet that requirement. If she had, for some inexplicable reason, undertaken a lengthy and expensive trip, while pregnant, so as to give birth in the Third World instead of in a U.S. hospital where she lived, then her son would not have been a citizen at birth.

Cruz's mother, by contrast, was several years past her 19th birthday. She was born in the U.S., graduated from college here, and worked here for a while before she and her noncitizen husband moved to Canada. There is no serious question that she lived in the U.S. for at least five years after turning 14. Of course, it's possible that some Orly Taitz of the left might come forward and demand that she produce utility bills or rent checks from the 1960s to prove that point. The Constitution is silent about the procedure for determining eligibility.

The law has since been changed. Now, a child born abroad to a married woman is a citizen if either spouse is a citizen, without regard to residency. The answer was at one point more complicated if the woman was unmarried but I don't know the current provision on that score.

With regard to McCain, I think the whole business about a hospital on the base is a red herring. If some Panamanian woman had happened to go into labor near there and be rushed to that hospital, I don't think the child would have been considered a citizen. It simply wasn't a part of the United States for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment.

The real answer is that McCain, unlike Obama and Cruz, did not have a noncitizen parent. Under current law, a child born abroad to two U.S. citizens is a citizen at birth. I think at one point the law was somewhat more restrictive and conferred citizenship in such instances only when one of the parents was in the military or diplomatic service of the United States -- I'm not sure about that. Your eligibility would depend on checking the law as it stood on the date of your birth. McCain's parents were both citizens and his father was in the military so McCain met even that tougher criterion.

I vaguely recall that there might actually be some semblance of a legitimate argument about McCain. (There is not even such a semblance in the cases of Obama or Cruz, or of Jindal, whom some of the extreme birthers also consider ineligible because his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth in the United States.) The argument about McCain is that, as of the date of his birth, which you may recall was quite some time ago, the statute about citizenship hadn't yet been honed as well as it has been since, and there might have been some ambiguity in the provisions in effect back then. The law was amended after his birth and the amendment was stated to be retroactive, but there's a legitimate question about whether retroactivity can apply in this context. If McCain was not a citizen at birth, but was subsequently conferred citizenship, one could argue that he is now a citizen but not a natural-born citizen. I do know that one of the people who sued over Obama's eligibility also sued over McCain's, with both cases being thrown out of court.

Several years back there was noise about amending the Constitution to eliminate the requirement. The idea was that Democrats would support it to make Granholm eligible, while Republicans would feel the same way about a certain popular but Austrian-born Governor of California. (This was when Schwarzenegger was riding high in the polls.) Alas, nothing came of it.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. Elizabeth Warren?
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:31 PM
Apr 2015

She said she's not running for President but maybe she could be interested in being the Veep.

TBF

(32,114 posts)
21. Someone younger, female or male,
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:22 PM
Apr 2015

southern, midwest, or western. I like Tammy Baldwin but there are others.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
46. I'll give him
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:08 PM
May 2015

a donation if he runs for the Senate. I donated to his last campaign as well, and quite frankly was shocked that he lost.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
47. Here is something I wrote during the 2010 campaign that may be of interest in this context:
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:41 PM
May 2015
I spent several hours on Saturday as a volunteer making phone calls in behalf of Russ Feingold and Tom Barrett.

The results of the phone banking were enlightening in a stomach-churning sort of way. I generally take my time with calls, and get into conversations with people if they are willing to do so when I call. I talked a few Russ-leaning people into agreeing to vote, and maybe did some good that way, but I heard a lot of desperation mixed with apathy out there.

Some were saying they weren't going to vote because they voted for Obama wanting change, and they didn't get it. One woman talked about how she just barely missed qualifying for Badger Care (WI's extension to Medicaid), and had a policy from her $8/hour job with a $3000 deductible, which was the same as not having insurance as far as she was concerned. It didn’t do much good to point out that the Health Insurance Reform legislation won’t swing into full effect for another three years.

Another woman said she has been out of work for 2 years, hasn't been able to make her house payments, and is about to be foreclosed on. She wanted to know why the billions in bailouts went to the banks. Wouldn't it have been better to give that money to the people who needed it and let them pay their bills with it?

The bailouts were a recurrent them. Jobs were another. People on the edge of personal financial disaster were simply not much moved by hearing how much worse things might have been under Republican rule.

I would summarize the afternoon of phone calling by saying that I think the Democratic Party is in deeper trouble than they recognize. People who voted for Obama have not felt much change in their lives except an increasing sense of desperation. They are demoralized. They feel burned. They are in "Fool me once…" mode. They're not just bitter at Democrats; I doubt that many of them will vote for Republicans.

They just won't vote.
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
48. I TOTALLY understand the disappointment
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:50 PM
May 2015

following Obama's election; I was there myself. However, Russ has a great record as a true populist, so for voters to shun him, or sit out the election because of disappointment with Obama seems akin to shooting yourself in the foot....purposely. I only WISH we could get a progressive candidate on the ballot here in NC, but to date it just hasn't happened. Perhaps Bernie's candidacy will wake up many voters to the truth and things will begin to open up for progressives nationwide. May be a pipe dream, but maybe not. Bernie garnered not only over 1.5 million in donations on his first day, but has now also acquired over 175,000 people who have volunteered to work for his campaign. Perhaps there is hope.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
35. O'Malley is one possibility
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:32 PM
Apr 2015

I think someone said Russ Feingold as another.

Please leave Liz Warren in the Senate on the finance committee.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
40. Another one from the Senate from the finance committee might be Jeff Merkley
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:23 AM
May 2015

He's been a great progressive there, being the first Senator to stand for reform of our marijuana prohibition laws. Someone with a very good knowledge of what has been done with finance laws, etc. that is needed for economic reform to be potentially the vote to break a tie in the senate in 2016.

I had wanted to have him wait and see if he could perhaps inherit the Senate Majority/Minority Leader from Harry Reid, since Merkley had been working hard the last two election cycles to put in proper filibuster rules that weren't allowed to happen, but which could have helped us pass a lot more decent legislation and exposed any Republican attempts at filibusters as not being well motivated to the public if they had to justify it on television. But it seems that unfortunately that job is being tossed to Chuck Schumer.

But perhaps if we can think of a good progressive that isn't in a political position now, but has been active on the world stage that could be a good asset in foreign policy in negotiating with other countries, that person might be looked at more so. Especially if that person would be a woman or a person of color too.

I was thinking of Feingold too, but I'd like to see him get back that Wisconsin senate seat, which I think he'd have locked up.

Howard Dean was a possibility, but he's already just about endorsed Hillary, so I think he's out.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
43. O'Malley has definite pluses
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:50 PM
May 2015

I don't know much about his policies, and am in this group because I support Bernie's fully-- not knowing which candidates will be still standing on Super Tuesday, can't predict my vote at this point. Was an Edwards supporter turned Obama primary voter in 2008. But ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL (which they never are), gubernatorial experience trumps senatorial experience in terms of executive competence, and 52 is better than 73 against a Republican field of young things.

O'Malley as running mate would help with both these issues. Maryland is every bit as solidly Dem as Vermont, but as a border state seems more "mainstream" than a Vermont/Massachusetts ticket with Warren would appear. He would also help shore up the party loyalty voters, more so than Warren who probably isn't interested anyhow.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
38. Brian Schweitzer?
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:04 AM
May 2015

I know that, on some issues, he's more conservative, and he's made some ill-conceived remarks that were offensive to, according to his Wikipedia bio, "Democrats, Republicans, women, Southerners and gays." Writing off those groups would not be a good start. Nevertheless, he has some of the same virtues as Bernie (populist, straight talker), and adds gubernatorial experience, which the voters seem to value.

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