Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHillary said tonight what many of us have been saying here for a long time
It doesn't matter if we nominate the most charismatic, best prepared, most perfect candidate ever...as long as the Russian interference isn't dealt with, they will get away with stealing the election again.
She added that if anything, the Russians are now better prepared to interfere in 2020. This is the most important issue and the biggest obstacle we're facing. I believe all the candidate should join forces to deal with this problem, or else, 2020 will be a loss to us.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(146,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)She would have made a great president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The surest path is state laws that's mandate the effective destruction of the abuse by awarding the state's electoral votes to the candidate who wins the most votes. This is concept is quickly gaining momentum and I urge concerned citizens to speak out in very forum to make this a reality.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Hillary still got nearly three million more popular votes. We can thank the electoral college system for that... and most of the states with the most electoral votes were lost by suspiciously narrow margins. If the 2000 election results were reversed, Republicans would never have accepted it. The benefit of that for the Democrats would have been popular votes deciding 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)Her comparison puts it all in a clear light.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)State matters. There is no way to change this. We have to be vigilant and do the best we can.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)Just talking about can help keep the media and state officials focused on the issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)Secure Elections Act
This bill gives the Department of Homeland Security primary responsibility within the federal government for sharing information about election cybersecurity incidents, threats, and vulnerabilities with federal entities and election agencies.
The Election Assistance Commission (EAC) shall establish an advisory panel of independent experts to develop guidelines on election cybersecurity, including standards for procuring, maintaining, testing, auditing, operating, and updating election systems.
The EAC shall award election system cybersecurity and modernization grants to states and election agencies to implement the advisory panel's guidelines. Grants shall be awarded to: (1) remediate vulnerabilities identified by a cybersecurity evaluation, (2) replace electronic voting systems that are not optical scanners that read paper ballots, and (3) reimburse states for statistical audits of ballots in close federal elections.
It stalled because of Mitch, but it was bipartisan legislation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onit2day
(1,201 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
delisen
(6,051 posts)today.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Grasswire2
(13,575 posts)It's insane to frick around with machines that can be hacked or tampered. Just insane.
PAPER BALLOTS HAND COUNTED LOCALLY are the gold standard for election integrity.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)the way they used to do it.
Every precinct provides multiple counters and multiple monitors from both parties. Throw in some media to chaperone. Make sure every ballot is safe and secure.
Then use AS LONG AS IT TAKES to count the votes accurately. Hell, if it takes a month, so be it.
Then, to top it off, if the EC doesn't support the popular vote, we citizens, en masse, refuse to accept the result, no matter the party who benefits.
We CAN bring this country to a halt, if needed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)It would be more secure, of course. But theres no way in hell 50 states are going to agree to get rid of electronic voting machines that can count every ballot in a second, for handcounted paper ballots. It just not going to happen, no matter how many people ask for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)governors in Michigan and wisconsin. We need more observers In rural PA where old fashioned cheating went on. The numbers are very suspect. We need to win with a good margin. Close elections are easy to steal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)Last edited Thu May 2, 2019, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)
Conor Lamb won a special election last year in rural Pennselvania. Over 200,000 people voted and he won by like, 400 votes. It literally as close as it could get. If Republicans were going to steal an election, that would have been the perfect one.
Same when Doug Jones won in Alabama. That election was tight as nails and the consequences were enormous because it was a Senate seat in a deep red state. If Republicans were going to steal an incredibly tight election, there's no reason they wouldn't have done it there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)But there is no way to force states to use paper ballots.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheFarseer
(9,328 posts)Scantron fill in the bubble ballots that can be counted quickly but still have a paper record.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onit2day
(1,201 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,379 posts)Voting is a right, not a duty. If people are too lazy to care to be informed and vote, that's fine with me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FirstLight
(13,368 posts)we are literally watching a slow motion coup. (yes, I used Trump's word because he knows and HIM saying it is a dead giveaway)
I feel like I am in the Pre-Oceana days of 1984.or the Pre-Chancellor days of V for Vendetta..it's about to hit the fan. I worry about the rule of law and our safety. Here my daughter is all geared up to get into public service and she may not have a country to do it in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,139 posts)she's talking about this!!
Gracias, Luna!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,139 posts)peril!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)wipe the floor with trump" Don't they see that it's not enough amd we aew being set up again?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(298,139 posts)take heed at what Hillary said on Rachel's last night!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigmanPigman
(51,675 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)to scream! How can anyone be sl clueless?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)This will be a tough election. I see no way forward unless we rebuild the blue wall. People say all of our candidates can beat Trump. That is just not true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(298,139 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)the Russian attacks ...but perhaps by shining a light on it , we can still win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)for them if they are not turned in(Democrats of course). So we don't have the shit that happened in Carolina where ballots were changed and, destroyed...lost. We need lots of observers even in the small towns...especially PA. We need to call our voters and remind them to check the status of their registration...see if they need help with ID's...and offer rides as well. What else can you add? The more ideas the better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
amywalk
(254 posts)remote changing of voter tallies. Theyve already had a lot of it in place since the Bush v Gore days. They definitely did not win Georgia and Florida in 2018 and (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio in 2016)but they changed it just enough that they win, but it doesnt trigger an automatic recount. And dont forget Ivankas Chinese patents on voting machines. This should be enough to have us all shaking in our boots.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,814 posts)we win in a landslide, regardless of who our nominee is. The only way trump gets a 2nd term is through cheating. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,499 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)(Hllary didn't go to Wisconsin) turning a blind eye to the election steal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sparkly
(24,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
coti
(4,612 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)I listen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)..... the implication is that she lost due in part to the Russian interference. I for one agree with her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Any candidate who has ever attacked, smeared or denigrated the Democratic party should withdraw now. Anyone who's droned on and on and on and on about how "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt" the Democrats are is really NOT in a very strong (or believable) position to say "Hey, vote for Democrats! (Never mind all those other things I've been saying.)" He (or she) is not the one for me.
The candidate that I support will be one that's a loyal and stalwart support of Democrats and the Democratic party. That's someone who has character and integrity... and those traits are very important to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(84,101 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stuart G
(38,458 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)a charismatic, well prepared candidate IS one of tools to accomplish that
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
INdemo
(6,994 posts)We need to go back to paper ballots
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I wish some Republicans would show leadership, not to mention patriotism, and step up to defend the country, but I'm afraid it's up to the Democrats, and the people. We all need to make our voices heard, no matter which primary candidate we support. This is an emergency. Although we can and should strongly support a primary candidate, the bickering must stop when it comes to our national security, which is what the Russian interference involves. And it should go without saying that once we have a nominee, she or he must have our full support to the point of being willing to do the hard work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)We're not in control. But I don't know what could be done.
Couldn't intel disrupt them?
FB & Twitter are going after trolls, but that isn't 100%, and it doesn't address election hacking.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)terms this is being restated in. Neither Russia nor the Republicans have a guaranteed means of stealing our next election. A majority of Americans are against them. If we vote even somewhat more of our strength they can't stop us.
Nancy Pelosi, for another voice, is concerned that we not just win but win by such a large margin of votes that it robs credibility of any accusation that Democrats stole the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)like all candidates and Democrats in general seem to be doing, is the way to go.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)supposed to be dealing with it except for what Trump and RepubCo and what they can stop. But thats not even everyone in government. And no competent campaign is not aware and planning.
Lets face it, WE are by far the most ignorant and clueless, and passive because our role is huge but doesnt come for well over 500 days still. And that will be very simple. Fortunately, we dont have to know anything more than we do to play our part.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,635 posts)Any candidate who isn't ready to join with the others to get ONE of them through, is off my list.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden