on to a different man.

I don't know about you, but I really liked the Obama administration. Those were eight very good years. I'd very much like some more like that. Very much, indeed. Obama thought very highly of Joe Biden, as I remember.

Yes, Joe Biden carries on the tradition of Barack Obama. That's a good thing, I think. How about you?

I don't get that comment.

Or maybe not...

Bank bailouts hurt so many. Through that era, Democrats lost about 1000 seats across the country. I want a candidate who can commit to actual people, not virtual people like corporations.

So I am seeking facts and commitments from candidates, as well as their plan for dealing with Republican Senate, and Judiciary. I want to see the ability to think strategically and a lot more than just running against Trump-especially since there may be a new Republican candidate-one quite different from Trump.

Candidates and political parties, like generals, may get all geared up to fight the last war-when we are in very different circumstances.

So far I understand that only one candidate has addressed global climate change (Inslee)-yet this is probably one of the biggest issue facing us.

I need more facts than a candidate or a candidate's supporters telling me to just look at a party platform from three years ago and assume the candidate supports it.

What is your point? Don't forget it was Biden who convinced Obama to support gay marriage. He's a true Dem.

I can't wait to see the answer...I'm waiting right here...

the reflection lies.

You appear to have some objections to what I posted, but so far you have not explained them. I'm all ears (or eyes, to be more exact.)

Voters are not looking at Joe Biden, they are looking for a reflection of the Obama Whitehouse.

IMO, there’s a lot about Joe to like but ppl will be voting for a lie, that they can have the Obama years back.

then have the Biden years to look at. That would beat the Hell out of the Trump years, wouldn't it.

The main thing in 2020 is winning back the White House. I'm for whoever has the best chance of doing that. We can't survive another four years of Donald J. Trump.

I assume that's the goal of everyone here, as well.

in the GE, and more importantly, inflicting the sort of thumping defeat on the GOP that will allow the new administration to get things done. I have never denied that.

My concern is that a ‘don’t scare the cattle’ administration will end up pleasing no one.

If VP Biden has some bold ideas I’m listening. Warren, Buttigieg and Harris are not playing it safe. We are what, I week sacred the Announcement lets see.

than that front-runner. They're playing catch-up. Joe Biden announced and immediately became the front-runner. There's one simple reason for that. People think he can beat Donald Trump. They're not so sure about the rest of the candidates. So, those other candidates have to talk a lot about their issues and positions, because they'll have a hard time convincing people they can win next November.

One of those other candidates will probably end up as the VP nominee. Other current candidates may end up with cabinet posts. Right now, I favor a Biden/Harris ticket, with some of the other primary candidates winning appointments to things like Treasury Secretary (Warren, perhaps), and others getting appointments to positions suited to their talents and expertise.

Right now, Joe Biden doesn't have to detail his positions. He will, anyhow, but he can campaign in other ways for the moment. Everywhere he goes, he talks about issues. He'll keep doing that, no doubt. But, he can also work on popularity and electability in his campaigning. That's what's going to get him the nomination. That's what voters want - someone who can beat Trump, despite his crooked campaigning strategies.

in the House come 2022. I can outlandishly insult your preferred candidate as well to no point at all.

You have repeated yourself many times. I know your views back to front. You are the first person I have put on ignore since joining as lamprey in 2007.

That’s why hanging around sirota-msm-gop manufactured strawmen can be disappointing.

Strawmen aren’t real.

Remember how well Clint Eastwood failed when he talked to empty chair Obama? It was spectacular.

But Biden's not Obama.

You really are missing what this is all about.

He runs exclusively on nostalgia, but what did HE do those years?

in their quest to marry the people they love. That's one thing.

Just because you weren’t paying attention doesn’t mean Biden wasn’t doing important things.

Of course McConnel blocked this.

Your candidate won’t win the primary because you sit on DU cherrypicking quotes from candidates you don’t like.

Why not lift up your own candidate ? So much more unifying and positive?

Well here it is an excellent sample from President Obama..

In A Surprise Send-Off, Obama Awards Biden Presidential Medal Of Freedom

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Calling the former longtime Delaware senator "the best vice president America's ever had" and a "lion of American history," Obama gave his White House partner the surprise award in an emotional ceremony, initially billed as a farewell.

After extolling the job that Biden has done, Obama ended it with the unexpected news that he was giving the vice president the nation's highest civilian honor, with distinction — a designation most recently given to President Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and Gen. Colin Powell.

"To know Joe Biden is to know love without pretense, service without self-regard, and to live life fully," Obama said.

snip//

Throughout the ceremony it was evident not just how close the two men were but how close their families and staffs had become, and Obama said his "family is honored to call ourselves honorary Bidens."

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/12/509545778/in-surprise-send-off-president-obama-awards-biden-presidential-medal-of-freedom

Transcript of President Obama's speech..

He fought to make college more affordable and revitalized American manufacturing, as the head of our middle-class taskforce. He suited up for Our Cancer Moonshot and giving hope to millions of Americans touched by this disease.

He led our efforts to combat gun violence. And he rooted out any possible misappropriations that might’ve occurred. And as a consequence, the recovery act worked as well as just about any large- scale stimulus project has ever worked in this country. He visited college after college and made friends with Lady Gaga…

Behind the scenes, Joe’s candid honest council has made me a better president and a better commander in chief. From the Situation Room, to our weekly lunches, to our huddles after everybody else has cleared out of the room, he’s been unafraid to give it to me straight, even if we disagree.

In fact, especially, when we disagree. And all of this makes, in my belief, the finest vice president we have ever seen. And I also think he has been a lion of American history.
The best part is, he’s no where close to finished. In the years ahead as a citizen, he will continue to build on that legacy internationally and domestically. He’s got a voice of vision and reason and optimism and love for people and we’re gonna need that — that spirit and that vision as we continue to try to make our world safer and to make sure that everybody’s got a fair shot in this country.

snip//

So all told, that’s a pretty remarkable legacy, an amazing career in public service. It is, as Joe once said, “a big deal.”

Much More..
http://time.com/4633826/joe-biden-obama-presidential-medal-freedom/

You're implying those poor stupid people can't think rationally and are being misled by nostalgia.

Link to my reply to an earlier post of yours making the same tired argument:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=106781

And if you discredit the bona fides of WOC, people over 50, midwesterners, Hillary supporters, and a host of others with “They’re not REALLY voting for Biden, they’re voting for ——, you show some real colors as to who you think is important enough to represent.

So insulting.

I'm looking to the future of our Democracy. Yes, I admire what Biden did as President Obama's VP.. and so does Obama, but I like Biden for who he is and what he's capable of.

while Biden is associated with Obama administration he didn't give off the same public persona as Obama.

when people see Biden they think more of experience which is the exact same reason Obama picked him in the first place.

serving in the Obama admin helped him by becoming a more familiar figure and strengthening what was considered already positive about him.

but those are still his own qualities.

I'm not sure I get your point, actually.

...words to these things. Otherwise he stands for nothing.

And, then, you'll see that his positions are just as I said. But, he'll fill in the details for you, if you're listening.

Joe Biden is a Democrat. He may well be the 46th President of the United States, too. I'm hoping so.

He stands for what Democrats stand for. Always has. The details vary, of course, but so do they with every candidate and elected official. But, the core remains the same.

...but who knows how that changes. It's way early.

which are pretty well known. So far, he's doing rather well with that. As the campaign continues, you'll hear more from him about individual issues. He's taking a general approach right now, and it seems to be working just fine. He'll have many opportunities to speak about specific points, and I'm sure he'll do just that.

So far, so good, though, in his early campaign, don't you think? I mean, the goal is to win the nomination, right? That's working out OK so far, and that's the main thing at the moment.

on some of the more important progressive issues.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

And he introduced the first climate change bill years ago...not looking very hard...and he supports gay marriage.

...I had heard of. If there are others I’m sure they’ll show up here at some point in the future.

One day Joe needs words. The next day he needs deeds.

“Stands for nothing”.

Been to a Biden event? Try it. He used lots of words. Good words. Important words.
I thought him extremely presidential, popular with the crowd and believe or not he expressed opinions. On the future.

...and from that standpoint, he's a little behind the curve. Could I look up past statements of his? Sure, but that's the past. I want to know where he is now. Should I believe his anti-legalization statement from a few years ago? How about when he said he had no empathy for young people who are struggling?

I'm not asking him to publicly flog himself...just have a better website with solid positions on it. Inspirational language doesn't cut it for me. It may be enough for you right now and that's fine...but this is why I'm still undecided.

especially if he wants to keep up with Bernie and Elizabeth on providing key details on specific issues voters care about.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

that makes me support the guy. I like him and he can win.

gateway drug is so old school and out of touch with today's ideas.

position on weed several years ago.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

Marijuana sellers and users will be in legal no-man's land, free from state prosecution but subject to federal prosecution. Marijuana businesses have trouble getting financial services because it's against federal law to knowingly do business with drug dealers.

near future.

It may not be an important issue to you, but it is to a lot of people. Even 54% of Republicans support it. If we had a supportive President, it's actually more likely to happen than a lot of other things on the Democratic wishlist.

It is not a disqualifying issue for a candidate. I am more concerned about healthcare for example and beating Trump.

The feds have to wait for the states, even as it has national bipartisan support and states across the nation are doing it despite federal barriers but it isn't national because the feds can't do it.

And as near as I can tell, you have disqualified all candidates not named Joe Biden, because only Joe Biden can win. So there is actually only one issue for you, and that is: Is the candidate's name Joe Biden? If they can't give an unqualified yes, then you won't vote for them. Fortunately, we do have a candidate named Joe Biden, so you don't have to sit this one out.

Will be an act of God if we take the Senate. I don't care about this issue....more concerned with decriminalization...keep folks out of jail. There are more important issues for me. But the truth is the first two years of a Democratic presidentl will involve stopping the GOP not getting much through unless we take the senate. Even judges will be difficult ...probably impossible. Consider that Gay marriage laws. Began in the states.And this is not a voting issue for me. I disagreed with Obama about trade but I still supported him in the primary. The idea that you look for issues to knock out a candidate seems foolish to me, All these political issues people are so concerned which may or may not be possible are simply ideas. Let's choose a nominee who can win and see what happens. I would support any democratic nominee in the general. I just think Biden is the one who can win, and I like the guy,

I just think Biden should take a stand on this. There are good reasons to do so, such as winning votes, which you say is the only thing you care about.

You are the one who seems to want to knock out other candidates no matter what they do, while you'll give Biden a pass no matter what he does.

I believe legalization is inevitable for a cynical reason...tons of money for the states,

That's a winning campaign slogan. I can feel the energy that's going to inspire in people already.

It's only second to "Trump is going to self-impeach" for the most brilliant political strategy I've heard today.

Here's the closest thing to an issues page he has:

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

No specifics. The guy who was "running" for so long doesn't even have anything more than this policy wise on his website yet.

The lack of policy specifics from someone who has run as many times as he has, and who has been in politics for as long as he has is insulting. His entire reason for doing this and even his biggest supporters basis for supporting him seems to be "Hey, it's me. You know me. I'm that guy who hung out with that guy you like" at best and "Let's get back to the moderate, old white guy." at worst.

And again, I'm not even saying that we can't run a moderate or whatever. I don't like Beto either but at least he represents SOME vision of the future rather than wistful nostalgia.