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mcar

(42,480 posts)
Thu May 23, 2019, 04:58 PM May 2019

Pierce: Elizabeth Warren Has Clouds and Shadows Around Her Campaign. We've Seen This Movie Before.

Elizabeth Warren Has Clouds and Shadows Around Her Campaign. We've Seen This Movie Before.
When you've learned nothing from 2016. Or the decades before.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
MAY 23, 2019

...While another storeroom at Manafort House of Felonies was being pried open, the Post also revealed that Senator Professor Warren was so good at her job, and knew so much about the kind of law she teaches, that people hired her as an expert to help them in actual legal cases. I, for one, am puzzled as to why this is news, especially since it comes from SPW's own disclosure forms. But I have a suspicion that shadows soon will be following this story, and clouds will begin to obscure it. Questions will arise. I know how this stuff works by now.

Warren’s presidential campaign released a list of 56 cases on her website Wednesday night, revealing a far higher number of cases than Warren (D-Mass.) had previously disclosed and lending detail to an aspect of her career that she rarely discusses in public. The Washington Post had requested a detailed accounting of her outside work and was conducting a review of her work from public records.


First of all, at least with regard to the asbestos case, she discussed it all throughout her first Senate campaign because Scott Brown never shut up about it, even though he clearly didn't understand the details of the work she'd done. Second, notice how the bold-faced elements of the story produce the clouds and shadows. That's what they're supposed to do. This is how elite newspapers get into bed with ratfckers like Peter Schweitzer and Clinton Cash....

Bullshit. Pure, unadulterated, stupid bullshit that's been flung at every wealthy candidate who ever tried to rejigger the economy so that most people get a better deal out of it. Both Roosevelts, all of the Kennedys. It's aged-in-the-wood nonsense....

Oh, for the love of god, Marty Baron, this is cheap. You couldn't verify the Dow Corning settlement fund numbers, but you feel safe in saying SPW was cast as X,Y, and Z? And for the cherry on top?

Warren has released only her last 10 years of tax returns, and much of her legal consulting work is not reflected in those documents.


Here's a pro tip: a lot of people, especially women people, watched what happened with the coverage of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign in 2016 and they've grown wise in the ways of clouds and shadows. This kind of thing is going to get called out from now on, and the people writing it should get used to that fact. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on...you don't get fooled again. A president said that once.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a27572664/elizabeth-warren-outside-legal-advice-asbestos/



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Pierce: Elizabeth Warren Has Clouds and Shadows Around Her Campaign. We've Seen This Movie Before. (Original Post) mcar May 2019 OP
Spot f***ing on! Nt Ninga May 2019 #1
"clouds and shadows"?! sheshe2 May 2019 #2
Working successfully in two different areas simultaneously dragonlady May 2019 #33
Love Charles Pierce. Hekate May 2019 #3
red herrings. she connects better than hillary ever did. pansypoo53219 May 2019 #4
She connected fine with those who didn't spit Hortensis May 2019 #35
Thanks to Charles Pierce BlueMTexpat May 2019 #5
You said it well. demigoddess May 2019 #16
+1 grantcart May 2019 #32
hem AllaN01Bear May 2019 #6
Ms. Warren BigOleDummy May 2019 #7
100% with you & most everyone on this thread. k&r, nt appal_jack May 2019 #31
women people?? question everything May 2019 #8
Entwives. paleotn May 2019 #14
Thanks, Mcar. "Elizabeth served as a consultant to ensure adequate compensation Hortensis May 2019 #9
I NEVER thought we would actually have a president dumber than Shrub... Moostache May 2019 #10
She "only" released 10 years of her tax returns? She led the way. How many years pnwmom May 2019 #11
beware posts that bold text that's not bolded in the original source w/out owning up to it nt msongs May 2019 #12
Except the only bolded text I see is the article title ms liberty May 2019 #19
Are you referring to me? mcar May 2019 #22
Might be time to take your monitor to the Geek Squad kcr May 2019 #34
Like I said somehwere else NYMinute May 2019 #13
Why on earth would I care about someone's consulting work over 10 years ago? Honeycombe8 May 2019 #15
Just another Wapo hit piece against a woman candidate mcar May 2019 #23
Bring on the smoke and shadows. warmfeet May 2019 #17
K&R Kurt V. May 2019 #18
The corrupt-corporate-Dems smear is so worn out it has holes in its shoes. betsuni May 2019 #20
I am too mcar May 2019 #24
It's a Problem if a Woman Earns Money? Seriously? dlk May 2019 #21
That seemed to be the thrust of the WaPo piece mcar May 2019 #25
Good Grief, it's 2019-The US is so Backward Sometimes dlk May 2019 #28
Yep mcar May 2019 #29
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 May 2019 #26
K&R n/t ariadne0614 May 2019 #27
Wado...................Thank you............ Charlie Pierce.........for telling like it is.......... turbinetree May 2019 #30
Someone to the left of Sen. Warren NYMinute May 2019 #36
Not this time mcar May 2019 #37
 

Ninga

(8,283 posts)
1. Spot f***ing on! Nt
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:18 PM
May 2019
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sheshe2

(84,103 posts)
2. "clouds and shadows"?!
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:24 PM
May 2019

Sounds like they are using smoke and mirrors to make this a something-burger when it's not. She had every right to work two jobs.

They can lay off my Senator.

Thank you Charles Pierce.

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dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
33. Working successfully in two different areas simultaneously
Fri May 24, 2019, 04:06 PM
May 2019

shows how well prepared she is to be President. That is a demanding job that requires hard work, great stamina, and the ability to multitask.

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Hekate

(91,059 posts)
3. Love Charles Pierce.
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:42 PM
May 2019
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pansypoo53219

(21,018 posts)
4. red herrings. she connects better than hillary ever did.
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:43 PM
May 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. She connected fine with those who didn't spit
Sat May 25, 2019, 11:09 AM
May 2019

back when she tried. Both are admirable women, but Hillary's the one who should have run first on "I have a plan for that!" Because, boy, did she! Our huge loss.

Now, me, I spit whenever I think of those who failed our nation terribly by not voting for her. They deserve and are responsible for what the Republicans are doing every bit as much as those who voted directly for him.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,376 posts)
5. Thanks to Charles Pierce
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:47 PM
May 2019

for calling this crap what it is!

Unadulterated BS!



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AllaN01Bear

(18,896 posts)
6. hem
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:48 PM
May 2019

so, when are we going to get to see the last 10 years of he who shall not be named or redacted .

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BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
7. Ms. Warren
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:56 PM
May 2019

Is one of the most impressive politicians I've ever seen in my 63 years. She knows her shit, isn't afraid of anything and she's a FIGHTER! Something I (sadly) believe the Democratic Party is in short supply of. *sigh* Dream ticket = Warren/Buttigieg

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appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
31. 100% with you & most everyone on this thread. k&r, nt
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:33 PM
May 2019
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question everything

(47,616 posts)
8. women people??
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:56 PM
May 2019

as opposed to what? Women squirrels?


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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Thanks, Mcar. "Elizabeth served as a consultant to ensure adequate compensation
Thu May 23, 2019, 05:57 PM
May 2019
for women who claimed injury from silicone breast implants who otherwise might not have received anything when Dow Corning filed for bankruptcy,” Warren’s list of cases said. “Thanks in part to Elizabeth’s efforts, Dow Corning created a $2.35 billion fund to compensate women claiming injury from Dow Corning’s silicone breast implants.”


This was her role in a Dow Chemical case that for sure he who shall not e named and those using him to take out Democrats will try to use against her. Again.
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Moostache

(9,897 posts)
10. I NEVER thought we would actually have a president dumber than Shrub...
Thu May 23, 2019, 06:05 PM
May 2019

It just seemed impossible...



I mean that is a looooooooooooooooooooooow bar to clear, and our current Usurper-in-chief can't even manage THAT...gawd, I wish 'teh stoopid' burned...

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pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
11. She "only" released 10 years of her tax returns? She led the way. How many years
Thu May 23, 2019, 06:14 PM
May 2019

has Trump released? Or her opponents?

Why are there always higher standards for a woman?

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msongs

(67,509 posts)
12. beware posts that bold text that's not bolded in the original source w/out owning up to it nt
Thu May 23, 2019, 06:37 PM
May 2019
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ms liberty

(8,633 posts)
19. Except the only bolded text I see is the article title
Thu May 23, 2019, 08:26 PM
May 2019

And the title is in bolded text at the link. There is no bolded text in the clips in the body of the post. So I'm not sure why you said this?

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mcar

(42,480 posts)
22. Are you referring to me?
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:52 AM
May 2019

Where did I bold anything?

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kcr

(15,331 posts)
34. Might be time to take your monitor to the Geek Squad
Sat May 25, 2019, 10:50 AM
May 2019

Have them look at it for ya.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
13. Like I said somehwere else
Thu May 23, 2019, 06:44 PM
May 2019

$675/hr for someone of her caliber is cheap because lawyers with that level of expertise get $2000 to $3000 per hour very easily.

It is a complete non-story and it may have originated because another senator is afraid that Senator Warren is getting a lot of the support he feels entitled to. We should check the story's origination for David Sirota's DNA and fingerprints.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. Why on earth would I care about someone's consulting work over 10 years ago?
Thu May 23, 2019, 07:17 PM
May 2019

As long as it was legal, I don't see the relevance.

Not one of the candidates is pure. No one is.

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mcar

(42,480 posts)
23. Just another Wapo hit piece against a woman candidate
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:53 AM
May 2019
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warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
17. Bring on the smoke and shadows.
Thu May 23, 2019, 07:42 PM
May 2019

I support Elizabeth Warren.

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betsuni

(25,845 posts)
20. The corrupt-corporate-Dems smear is so worn out it has holes in its shoes.
Thu May 23, 2019, 11:46 PM
May 2019

Glad to see so many people are sick of it.

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dlk

(11,606 posts)
21. It's a Problem if a Woman Earns Money? Seriously?
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:15 AM
May 2019
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mcar

(42,480 posts)
25. That seemed to be the thrust of the WaPo piece
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:54 AM
May 2019

Thus Pierce's clouds and shadows, a la how they reported on HRC.

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dlk

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28. Good Grief, it's 2019-The US is so Backward Sometimes
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:54 AM
May 2019
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tblue37

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26. K&R for visibility. nt
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:58 AM
May 2019
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turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
30. Wado...................Thank you............ Charlie Pierce.........for telling like it is..........
Fri May 24, 2019, 02:16 PM
May 2019

and then getting in bed with ratf*ckers .........................Touche............. Charlie Pierce................. Touche.................


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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
36. Someone to the left of Sen. Warren
Sat May 25, 2019, 11:22 AM
May 2019

is spreading these smears …

They think if Senator Warren is brought down, their candidate will go up in numbers.

NOT THIS TIME - we know their plan.

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