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highplainsdem

(49,045 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:14 PM Jan 2020

WaPo: Biden's Republican VP remark is part of what attracts some voters to him

Analysis by Eugene Scott, who reported for CNN before working for the Washington Post:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/31/bidens-republican-vp-remark-is-part-what-attracts-some-voters-him/


-snipping the early section of the column, about the leftwing overreaction on Twitter-

Some of the responses failed to take Biden’s statement into full context. The chances of the former vice president choosing a member of the GOP to join him on the Democratic Party ticket is low. He told those gathered that his running mate would need to share his priorities and be “on the same page” as him. And he admitted that he can’t think of a single Republican who fits that bill.

But the fact that Biden would not firmly reject the possibility of sharing a ticket with someone from the right is a reminder of a core piece of the former lawmaker’s political worldview: Biden thinks Republicans are capable of helping him make America great for everyone.

Biden is well-known for his ability to work across the aisle. The relationships he built during his time in the Senate have shaped his view of the GOP as people with whom he disagrees politically but can still find common ground. But in the current political era, in which Republican lawmakers are known mostly for their loyalty to Trump, Biden has attracted the scorn of liberals who think he is naive or simply ill-equipped to be the person liberals want to lead America away from Trumpism.

As vocal as the Democratic base often is, the group may make up less of a percentage of the left — and particularly the voters Biden hopes to win — than some believe. Only 28 percent of Americans consider themselves Democrats, according to Gallup — and that includes moderate Democrats.

If Biden is going to return to Washington, this time as president, it’s not likely to be solely because of the support of the left, which right now is more likely to back Sens. Bernie Sanders (I.-Vt.) or Elizabeth Warren (D.-Mass). And Biden seems to believe that the best way to get Trump out of office is by running a campaign that holds out hope that there are Republicans who will find his vision for America more attractive than that of the current administration.
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WaPo: Biden's Republican VP remark is part of what attracts some voters to him (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP
Well, duh. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #1
The only people who made his comments an issue are those who WANTED to make it an issue. George II Jan 2020 #2
Right!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #4
NOT ME... JOE SUNK TO ROCK BOTTOM ON MY PREFERRED CANDIDATE LIST WITH THAT REMARK!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #3
As much as I like Bernie... Jim_S Jan 2020 #7
Trump is rock bottom. mzmolly Jan 2020 #16
"Biden is well-known for his ability to work across the aisle." Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #5
Why is it that working across the aisle somehow ALWAYS works to the Rethugs advantage?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #6
Someone needs to fight for the American people who are truly left behind because Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #8
Yes, and I know Elizabeth would do that too... best of luck to her as the campaign moves forward. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #9
+1000 Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #10
Yeah weird that... booley Jan 2020 #13
YES, VERY WEIRD INDEED!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #14
We need to win mzmolly Jan 2020 #17
I agree whole heartidly booley Jan 2020 #18
Polls mzmolly Jan 2020 #19
I agree 100%... and only Bernie, with his aggressive progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #20
I'd need to see mzmolly Jan 2020 #21
Bernie lost the last primary by 3 million votes redstateblues Jan 2020 #27
Then why did we fail to get our Supreme Court seat? Lexee Jan 2020 #11
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #22
Wel thats an ..interesting opinion booley Jan 2020 #12
"I guess I could choose a Republican VP but I can't think of any off the top of my head" Cha Jan 2020 #15
His state was code for 'I'm not, nor ever have been, nor ever will be a progressive' 4139 Jan 2020 #23
SADLY, YOU'RE SO RIGHT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #24
Joe is playing chess while your also ran candidate is playing checkers redstateblues Jan 2020 #26
Poll: GOP voters drawn to Biden more than other 2020 Democrats Gothmog Jan 2020 #25
Polls said the same thing at this juncture for Hillary at140 Jan 2020 #29
Americans always say they want bipartisanship. betsuni Jan 2020 #28
 

TwilightZone

(25,499 posts)
1. Well, duh.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jan 2020

I wish (some) people would realize that he's been running a general election campaign since day one, and that he says things that a not-insignificant chunk of the voting public wants to hear.

Polls consistently show that the majority of people want bipartisanship and not vitriolic partisanship. Those are the people he's targeting.

For the record, there's zero chance he actually selects a Republican.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
2. The only people who made his comments an issue are those who WANTED to make it an issue.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:39 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
3. NOT ME... JOE SUNK TO ROCK BOTTOM ON MY PREFERRED CANDIDATE LIST WITH THAT REMARK!!
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Jim_S

(62 posts)
7. As much as I like Bernie...
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020

As much as I like Bernie…

I would not frame is as a rock bottom for Joe. I might ask something like “…how did reaching across the isle work for you when you were with Obama?”… Then let’s talk about policy. How about Freedom from Illness (or Healthcare for all—like every other industrialized nation on the planet) I could go on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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mzmolly

(51,010 posts)
16. Trump is rock bottom.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baitball Blogger

(46,769 posts)
5. "Biden is well-known for his ability to work across the aisle."
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jan 2020


Not exactly a good quality if you poll the Democratic demographics that were used as bargaining chips during the Centrist years.

I just don't understand why we fail to connect deregulation with all the problems that come afterwards. People and industries should pay for the overreaches that stole the future from so many ordinary Americans, but no one has ever brought them to task. Which is why some are still extolling the virtues of a leader who would make the same decisions, I suppose.
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
6. Why is it that working across the aisle somehow ALWAYS works to the Rethugs advantage?!
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

We need a Democrat who will stand up to those deplorable assholes... WE NEED BERNIE!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Baitball Blogger

(46,769 posts)
8. Someone needs to fight for the American people who are truly left behind because
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jan 2020

of all the bad financial decisions made in Congress that jeopardizes savings and investments. It's almost like our financial institutions are allowed to create pyramid systems that are permitted to harvest and leech our savings, before they crash. While they put their wealthy investors in an "A" category that is protected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
9. Yes, and I know Elizabeth would do that too... best of luck to her as the campaign moves forward.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

booley

(3,855 posts)
13. Yeah weird that...
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jan 2020

almost as if the center favors the right and will actively join it to oppose the left.

I admit I may not have the most positive outlook on centrism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
14. YES, VERY WEIRD INDEED!!
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mzmolly

(51,010 posts)
17. We need to win
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jan 2020

first.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

booley

(3,855 posts)
18. I agree whole heartidly
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jan 2020

Which is why running a centrist again is probably a really really bad idea.

And I no, I don't' just mean 2016. I am not just talking about Trump (though Trump has shown he can win against a centrist)

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
20. I agree 100%... and only Bernie, with his aggressive progressive agenda
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

can drive the base and Independents to the polls in droves. We The People can also trust President Sanders to always keep his promises to us... there will be no pivoting or equivocating.

Joe's mild approach, with his moderate incrementalist, return to normalcy, reach across the aisle, and consider Repigs for his VP, is not going to cut it this election cycle.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mzmolly

(51,010 posts)
21. I'd need to see
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:42 PM
Jan 2020

evidence to support this theory.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
27. Bernie lost the last primary by 3 million votes
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

He won’t do that well this time

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Lexee

(377 posts)
11. Then why did we fail to get our Supreme Court seat?
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
22. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!!
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jan 2020



Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

booley

(3,855 posts)
12. Wel thats an ..interesting opinion
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jan 2020

I saw no evidence to back this up but I don't own a subscription to WaPo so I will have to assume it simply wasn't included in the very long except from the article in the OP.

nd even though the argument is that Biden would appeal to red-state voters, we will skip over that Sanders hs been shown to appeal to red-state voters (a fact that is often casually dismissed here though I guess when it's Biden it's relevant again)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/07/the_rise_of_the_trump-sanders_voter_139674.html

Ok...

But I think we may be acting as if that comment about picking a Republican VP happened in a vacuum

Maybe we should also recall that time Biden said he hoped the Republicans didn't' lose too badly.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-gop-view.html

OR that time Biden said the Republicans only act they way they do because of Trump

https://newrepublic.com/article/155749/joe-bidens-frantic-defense-status-quo

OR that time Biden waxed nostalgia for guys like Strom Thurmond.



And there are other examples we could find. Individually some maybe most can be rationalized away. But together, they start to form a picture

Wait, wasn't there a recent thread here attacking sanders, claiming since he wasn't really a Democrat that he wouldn't' choose a Democrat as his VP even though there was no indication that was a possibility?

Well, this may not be the time to mention there might be a double standard at work.
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Cha

(297,801 posts)
15. "I guess I could choose a Republican VP but I can't think of any off the top of my head"
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:16 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

4139

(1,893 posts)
23. His state was code for 'I'm not, nor ever have been, nor ever will be a progressive'
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
24. SADLY, YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
26. Joe is playing chess while your also ran candidate is playing checkers
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 12:54 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,666 posts)
25. Poll: GOP voters drawn to Biden more than other 2020 Democrats
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 12:36 AM
Jan 2020



Republican voters are more drawn to former Vice President Joe Biden than to the rest of the candidates in the crowded Democratic presidential primary field, according to a new nationwide survey.

The Hill-HarrisX poll released Monday shows that 33 percent of GOP respondents named Biden as the Democratic candidate who came the closest to sharing their political views.

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg received the second-highest support among Republican voters at 30 percent and 28 percent thought Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) better aligned with their views.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg both garnered 26 percent of respondents who said the candidates closely shared their values.

Biden, the front-runner in most national polls, has long sought to position himself as the most electable challenger to President Trump.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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at140

(6,110 posts)
29. Polls said the same thing at this juncture for Hillary
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:38 AM
Jan 2020

Forget polls, just go and vote!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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betsuni

(25,686 posts)
28. Americans always say they want bipartisanship.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:05 AM
Jan 2020

Because they have no idea what Republicans have done, blame it on both parties. Saying something doesn't mean you'll do it. Geez, usually people think politicians pander and say what'll get them elected, but now with Joe every offhand comment is carved into stone as exactly what he'll do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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