Democratic Primaries
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guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
billpolonsky
(270 posts)Bernie bringing new blood to the Democratic Party!
Happy New Year!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Why would Bernie bring more voters into the Party?!?! THAT TRAITOR!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Thanks for posting!!
And HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....hundreds of "small" donations, this is no big deal.
For example, one person in Michigan represents more than 800 of those "5 million contributions", she gave 800 contributions of only $3 each! If every one of his contributors did that, he'd only have about 6,300 unique contributors.
How many contributors does he have, and how many will be itemized on his FEC filing? THAT is the important thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg announced in a statement that his presidential campaign raised more than $24.7 million in the fourth quarter early Wednesday morning. The total exceeds the $19.2 million he raised in the last three-month period.
The presidential hopeful's press secretary, Chris Meagher, said that the campaign received over 2 million donations from more than 733,000 individuals in 2019, bringing the total of his fundraising efforts to over $76 million for the entire year.
Noting enthusiasm for the mayor's campaign, Meagher said, "..it's clear the American people are responding to Pete's message of rallying our country together around bold solutions that will build the coalition we need to beat Trump and usher in a new era the day after Trump leaves office."
The statement also reported that the majority of contributions made to Pete for America were less than $200, the average donation was $38.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....how many individuals made up those numbers. So he's got an average of about 3 per person? And I would be curious how many of those 733,000 will be itemized on his FEC reports.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)but the number of donations has become somewhat irrelevant when people donate hundreds of times to artificially create a narrative.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
There is a reason they are framing it that way. The donation are more impressive than the total....also clearly not saying 5 million donaters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
He still wont lead in votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)He is doing better in fundraising this time out ..We don't need the donor class .. If Bernie is the nominee , he'll raise a shitload of money ..Power to the People
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....about all the contributors of his that have given thousands of dollars each? Are they bad?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,466 posts)Thanks for the thread Hassin Bin Sober.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)forth with Warren, in the polls. In the meantime, Biden will retain his lead until his victory as the Democratic nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)I seriously do not get this argument that millions of regular citizens donating is the same as getting money from billionaires and corporate interests.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,348 posts)Its a lot of things. Just not an actual argument.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....are getting contributions from "millions of regular citizens". Neither is true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,711 posts)The money goes to pay for the campaign, not into the candidate's pocket to spend as they please.
Billionaires who donate to Democrats do not hand them an envelope full of cash with a note: "Here is a lot of money. From now on you must act just like a Republican or you will regret it. If you do not, next election I will hand an envelope full of cash to a Republican. I am so stupid that I waste millions trying to bribe Democrats who always raise taxes on the wealthy and regulate industry instead of giving it to Republicans who will always cut taxes on the wealthy and deregulate industry." Sighed DONOR CLASS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)I've seen TV ads from Steyer, Bloomberg, and even Buttigieg in these last few weeks, yet none from Sanders -- what is he spending all his contributions on?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Those three you mentioned re only in the polls because of the massive advertising campaigns. And they a still trail.
I mean I have no idea what the Democratic appeal of Bloom berg is but ok.
And ironically Steyer's ads may be working against him as apparently people are sick of seeing them.
Sanders, who has been in the top tier, doesn't' seem to need those kinds of ads as much.
Maybe he's using the money on the rallies.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)And Sanders has meandered between 15-20% in the polls over the past year and hasn't come close to ever being the frontrunner. If buying TV ads can net someone 5-10% in the polls like it has Steyer, Bloomberg, etc., why isn't he doing that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Yes many if not most of his contributors do break up what they donate
I do. I donate ten bucks a month because that's what I can budget. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion obviously.
In fact, it has some advantages
For one, the money lasts longer. People are far less likely to ever hit the maximum donation. It provides stability.
For another and a point, I think gets overlooked, if your whole schtick is that the wealthy have too much power in politics, outraising your opponents who are talking that money becomes really important. The defense of Democrats talking in big corporate and billionaire money is that we need it to win the money game. But are we sure that is true? Maybe we don't need to sell our Democracy after all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...."better" than a person who gives $120 one time?
What do you think of someone who gives multiple times each day? Here's just the March contributions of one such person, the date and the number of $3 contributions (there was one $250 in that span, too):
3/22/2019 9
3/23/2019 14
3/25/2019 17
3/26/2019 15
3/27/2019 12
3/28/2019 15
3/29/2019 15
3/30/2019 12
3/31/2019 20
That's 129 contributions in nine days. And she went on through June, giving 825* times over the course of 73 days. Don't you think that's gaming the # of contributions bragging point? Number of contributions, not contributors, is an empty talking point.
*turns out she exceeded the allowable $2800, too, but the contributions were accepted.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
booley
(3,855 posts)Hopefully, I don't' need to explain that reference though I will if asked.
Anyway, the thing is we are still talking about millions of contributions. Most people aren't' doing what you are accusing them of above. And even if they were, that still wouldn't' explain the overall amount.
120 dollars is a long way from 26 million, regardless of how many times that 120 is broken up. 120 x 100 or 1000 10,000 won't get you there. The math doesn't' add up to support the anecdote above is the norm.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(109,015 posts)A $100 donation from one person can be split into ten separate $10 donations, so the number of donations doesn't matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)The total number of donors is a more important figure. But donors to any campaign can split up their donations, it isn't unique to Bernie. It almost always means that repeat donors are giving on a regular schedule, usually monthly. Very few people would go to the trouble of dividing us a single donation into smaller separate units for statistical purposes. It is good for any candidate to have a steady cash steam. The fact that no other candidate comes close to matching Sanders in this regard is significant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,015 posts)and therefore the campaign had to give some back. A surprising number -- at least to me -- were from individuals who made multiple separate donations on the same day.
It is one way to bring the reported average down, and his supporters are smart enough to know that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,348 posts)The only difference is people make a big deal out of it for Bernie cause they mad.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)...financial metrics that, as we've seen, ultimately mean nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....of the total dollars were not itemized through the third quarter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,803 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,348 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,803 posts)At the start of the race he was about 10% behind Biden and today he's.....about 10% behind Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)Biden and Bernie have to worry about getting voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,803 posts)...and Ill continue to opine on the reality of the Primary. One such reality s that Sanders has half the support he did in 2016 and has shown no sign of growing his numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)The last time Biden was BELOW 25% was never.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)assuming he has absolutely no chance of beating Trump?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,348 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,711 posts)paid for ads for Bernie in order to weaken support for Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)to claim "millions" of "donations" and to drive down the size of the average "donation," only reinforces the cynicism many of us (self included) feel about the Sanders' campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,348 posts)I suppose there is a link to be had somewhere???
As far as I know he encourages small donations but not for the purpose to lower the average.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,698 posts)ActBlue gets a transaction fee on each transaction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)I thought he would slow down after a heart problem, but he soldiers on!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)How is that even Democratic? Because bs 'Citizens United'? As long as this stands, with no campaign finance reform, we're screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Congratulations to your candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TruthTeller0505
(40 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Which is a record as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden