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How many contributions Bernie? (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 OP
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #1
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #2
How many contributors? Through the 3rd Quarter only about 80,000 have been itemized so far. George II Jan 2020 #3
I believe Bernie has 1.3 million individual contributors ritapria Jan 2020 #4
We don't know that for sure. As I said, a review of his FEC filing show only 80,000 through 3Q19. George II Jan 2020 #5
C'mon, you know what "itemized" means. bluewater Jan 2020 #25
I know the rules about itemized and unitemized. The point is, for almost 3/4 of the money.... George II Jan 2020 #29
And the same is true for every other campaign too. So what? bluewater Jan 2020 #30
Yes, that's true. But only one campaign brags about how many contributions it's received.... George II Jan 2020 #31
Campaigns get fined by the FEC if they make mistakes or misreport donations. bluewater Jan 2020 #33
"Someone who gives 800 times in three months is still only ONE person with only ONE vote." NurseJackie Jan 2020 #7
Laughable But Here's The Most Important Statistical Pair corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #8
I get at least two emails a day from him, sometimes three or four. They all ask for $2.70... George II Jan 2020 #14
In Email Marketing, This Is Known As Microtargeting corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #15
I don't get such emails from Biden, Booker, or Klobuchar, and didn't before Harris dropped out.... George II Jan 2020 #16
Thanks For Confirming That Bernie Raised More In Part Because He Knows How To Use Email Effectively corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #17
No it's not that, it's because he encourages his people, many of which ultimately become.... George II Jan 2020 #18
Exactly Why We Have Moved To The Number Of First-Time Donors Per Quarter, That's "First-Time"! corbettkroehler Jan 2020 #21
I guess Ocasio-Cortez hasn't learned Sanders' "new model" of future campaigns. Did you know.... George II Jan 2020 #22
BTW, this just arrived in my inbox, proving my point..... George II Jan 2020 #23
odd how some ppl complain about $ in campaigns nt msongs Jan 2020 #6
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #11
Yes, they complain about $ in campaigns and Wall Street, while they have almost half their.... George II Jan 2020 #19
Are you talking about me? bluewater Jan 2020 #26
we rail against society yet we participate in it. how odd! :) Kurt V. Jan 2020 #27
Should be an easy win for him then. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #9
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #10
NPR article on outraising and outspending not equating with winning: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #12
I was being sarcastic but thanks. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #13
Money doesn't translate into an ideology the voters are looking for OR actual votes.... George II Jan 2020 #20
He is the big money candidate to beat. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #24
kickin Kurt V. Jan 2020 #28
We already know it is not a valid number nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #32

Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. How many contributors? Through the 3rd Quarter only about 80,000 have been itemized so far.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jan 2020

The total number of "contributions" is rendered irrelevant when many people have contributed hundreds of times each. Someone who gives 800 times in three months is still only ONE person with only ONE vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
4. I believe Bernie has 1.3 million individual contributors
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jan 2020

He will able to raise 700 million dollars in a General Election without becoming a caveman ..He raised 230 million dollars in 2016 and he's doing better this time around ….. ….

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. We don't know that for sure. As I said, a review of his FEC filing show only 80,000 through 3Q19.
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jan 2020

BTW, money doesn't translate into votes, as we've all seen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
25. C'mon, you know what "itemized" means.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jan 2020

Only donors that give a TOTAL of over $200 have to be itemized and reported to the FEC. No matter how many small donations a person gives, if those TOTAL $200 then their personal information must be itemized and given to the FEC, otherwise no.

So, obviously, the VAST MULTITUDE of Sander's donors do not have to be "itemized" simply because they have given less than $200 each.

Haven't we discussed this point, like, 3 or 4 times already?


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. I know the rules about itemized and unitemized. The point is, for almost 3/4 of the money....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 07:52 PM
Jan 2020

....he received we have no idea of who gave it, it's address, occupation, employer, or amount. They can say anything they want about those people and we'll never know for sure.

So when they say X% of their contributions came from teachers, or anything else, we don't know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
30. And the same is true for every other campaign too. So what?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jan 2020


Based on the vast amounts of money Sanders has raised and, as you have pointed out, how few of those donations needed to be itemized to the FEC, it's pretty damn safe to say Sanders has a shit load of small donors supporting him.

Perhaps some people are envious and perhaps even jealous of that?

Could be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. Yes, that's true. But only one campaign brags about how many contributions it's received....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:58 PM
Jan 2020

...(as though that means something) and how low it's average contribution is, again with the way the contributions have been solicited that doesn't mean much, either.

So, here's how the top four stand with respect to "unitemized", i.e., we have no identities or details, through the 3Q:

Biden 13.2M
Warren 31.9M
Buttigieg 24.4M
Sanders 42.6M

That's a LOT more "unitemized", unknown contributions than the other three.

Inasmuch as the FEC has already flagged more than 9,000 itemized contributions in just two quarters (he began accepting money March 28), worth $951,000, it would be good to know more about the UN-itemized contributions. How many of them would be flagged by the FEC if they were itemized?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
33. Campaigns get fined by the FEC if they make mistakes or misreport donations.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jan 2020

We talked about this before too.

The Obama campaign being fined by the FEC was an example you and I discussed last time.

So, if you think Sanders is committing an election crime, please report him to the FEC, otherwise I don't think you have a point.

Enjoy the rest of your evening!

I am needed in the real world. lol

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. "Someone who gives 800 times in three months is still only ONE person with only ONE vote."
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:19 AM
Jan 2020

That could come as a big surprise, I imagine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
8. Laughable But Here's The Most Important Statistical Pair
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:14 PM
Jan 2020

I am on multiple email and SMS lists for Our Revolution, Progressive Democrats of America and Sanders 2020. I have been there for months. NOT ONCE, NEVER have I received a single solicitation to subdivide my donations into smaller, more frequent submissions. NEVER.

Moving on...

your cynicism is swept away like leaves before an angry wind with these numbers:

In 2019Q4, Sanders received contributions from 300,000 people who never contributed to his campaign previously in this cycle. That's counting EACH PERSON ONCE, no matter how many times during the quarter those people contributed. If they contributed twice or 800 times, they were counted once in this grand total and Sanders had 300,000 new contributors, not contributions, contributors.

My favorite number, though, is that this rate hit a new pinnacle on December 31, when 40,000 contributions from new donors arrived, counting each donor once and only once, no matter how many times on that day each donor made a contribution. 40,000 first-time contributors!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. I get at least two emails a day from him, sometimes three or four. They all ask for $2.70...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jan 2020

Now, if I were to give him $2.70 today, why would he send more today and some tomorrow, each time asking for $2.70 again?

Then there's this (btw, those 27 $1 contributions translate to $19 to the campaign, $8 to the credit card company and ActBlue):


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
15. In Email Marketing, This Is Known As Microtargeting
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jan 2020

It is a scientifically proven fact that in email marketing, a significant portion of messages go unopened. I know this because I have worked in the field for 20 years.

There are millions of email users who leave YEARS of unopened messages in their inbox with the intention of "getting to them later". I have close friends who operate that way. I have clients who do this and I am forced to send them another copy just so that the original message will be seen.

The phenomenon you have seen is STANDARD EMAIL MARKETING used by millions of marketing campaigns, including political ones. During the year-end push, DOZENS of non-profit organizations on whose lists I appear did EXACTLY the same thing yet no one accuses of them of trying to inflate their donor base artificially. If you'd like some examples: National Resources Defense Council, People For The Ethical Treatment of Animals and The League of Conservation Voters. I received MULTIPLE solicitations from each of them, among others, within a span of 36 hours and thought nothing of it.

You conveniently sidestepped the larger, irrefutable fact that Bernie published grand totals in which donors were counted once for the calendar quarter, no matter how many times they contributed money during that quarter, and that number was 300,000 new contributors, a yuge haul.

As for the split of contributions to ActBlue, had you worked on a campaign as I have, you would know that ActBlue is widely ADORED within the Democratic Party around the country for helping to raise BILLIONS for campaigns up and down the ballot since its launch about 15 years ago. The convenience of donating to a campaign by credit card rather than mailing a check FAR, FAR, FAR outweighs the processing expenses because the convenience increases the likelihood that donors complete the transaction rather than being forced to find their checkbook, worry that they have postage on hand and remember to take the envelope to the street, nevermind the possibility of having the check be lost in the mail. Credit cards are here to stay and, what really counts, is that large numbers of small donors have chipped in a few bucks here and there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. I don't get such emails from Biden, Booker, or Klobuchar, and didn't before Harris dropped out....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020

I'm on all of those email lists.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
17. Thanks For Confirming That Bernie Raised More In Part Because He Knows How To Use Email Effectively
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jan 2020

When DUers make my point for me, it puts a lasting smile on my face.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. No it's not that, it's because he encourages his people, many of which ultimately become....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jan 2020

....dreaded "big dollar donors", to send in small contributions frequently, for two reasons:

It artificially inflates the "number of contribution" statistic, and artificially deflates the "average contribution" statistic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
21. Exactly Why We Have Moved To The Number Of First-Time Donors Per Quarter, That's "First-Time"!
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:42 PM
Jan 2020

I realize that no amount of facts will convince you of the error of your ways in accusing Bernie of inflating his numbers by encouraging people to contribute multiple times in smaller amounts, of which he is guilty. If anything, he is guilty of showing the new model to future campaigns, such as Ocasio-Cortez for President 2028. I concede that my facts have failed to sway your thinking. HOWEVER...

________________________________________

WHERE YOU FAIL 100 TIMES OUT OF 100
________________________________________

In 2019Q3, Sanders had 300,000 NEW donors. "New" is defined as people who had not contributed to the campaign previously in the 2020 cycle. These people were counted once during the quarter, REGARDLESS of the number of contributions during the quarter. ONCE, ONCE, ONCE, ONCE, ONCE and the aggregate of first-time donors was yuge.

Demonstrate your best attempts at the mental lambada, if you wish. Your accusation moved beyond being irrelevant and immaterial to moot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. I guess Ocasio-Cortez hasn't learned Sanders' "new model" of future campaigns. Did you know....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jan 2020

....that she accepted the maximum contribution from a billionaire?

As for the number of first-time donors, etc., can you direct me to the report in which all these numbers are? I looked on FEC.gov, couldn't find them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. BTW, this just arrived in my inbox, proving my point.....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

I'll sit here and wait for you to insult me AGAIN.



Subj: $2.70

XXXX -

One month from tonight, we should know who won the Iowa Caucus.

Amazing, isn’t it?

And what I am writing to ask today is: if you knew one more $2.70 donation would move us a big step closer to winning in Iowa, would you contribute it?

If you knew that contributing $2.70 could push us one step closer to a nominee who you know will stand up to the drug companies and fossil fuel industry, would it be worth it?

Because that’s the ask today. To move us just one step closer — one month out from Iowa — to winning this race and transforming this country. So what do you say?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,462 posts)
6. odd how some ppl complain about $ in campaigns nt
Wed Jan 1, 2020, 04:04 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Yes, they complain about $ in campaigns and Wall Street, while they have almost half their....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jan 2020

....net worth invested on Wall Street.

Odd indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
26. Are you talking about me?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jan 2020


Like many people, I have more than half of my net worth invested in the stockmarket (where else are you going to put it besides real estate?) and yet I complain about corporate abuse all the time.

Abuse is abuse. Investing in the market does not mean you condone corporate abuse or are hypocritical in any way, shape or form.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
27. we rail against society yet we participate in it. how odd! :)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,527 posts)
9. Should be an easy win for him then.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:23 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(16,527 posts)
13. I was being sarcastic but thanks.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Money doesn't translate into an ideology the voters are looking for OR actual votes....
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

All it does, in this case, is fatten the wallets of the credit card companies and the media people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
24. He is the big money candidate to beat.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jan 2020

Amazing that he can’t seem to gain ground and that his organization seems to be on shaking ground considering he has more money than anyone.

Really a positive statement for Biden and Warren who are both doing better with the people and using less money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
32. We already know it is not a valid number nt
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:00 PM
Jan 2020
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