Democratic Primaries

Gothmog

(145,694 posts) Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:23 PM Jan 2020

A deceptively edited video of Joe Biden signals what's coming

Link to tweet

A video that was edited in a monumentally dishonest fashion to make Joe Biden sound racist just circulated all over Twitter. Distressingly, some reporters and people with large Twitter followings tweeted out the video, before others drew their attention to the full context, causing them to backtrack
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It is simply incredible that anyone in the business of informing people would circulate a video like this before verifying the full context. Have we really learned nothing in the past few years? One hopes this episode will be taken as a cautionary tale of what’s coming.

The video in question, which your humble blogger will not link to, shows only 19 seconds of a 13-minute monologue that Biden delivered in New Hampshire. Biden had been asked by an audience member to speak about his work and his agenda on sexual assault and domestic violence....

One of the original purveyors of this disinformation (again, we won’t link) is still pretending this was an honest depiction, and is accusing those who supplied the corrective context of being the “real” purveyors of disinformation. Take this as a glimpse of what’s coming.....

All this is a sign of what the Democratic nominee could face. It’s no wonder that some Democrats are worried we might even see “deepfake” media manipulations. Imagine such ultra-sophisticated video distortions of Biden’s rambles, retweeted by Trump, and perhaps even by reporters.

Trump views disinformation not as a scourge to be combated in the name of protecting our democracy, but as an ally. In this particular case, Trump has not retweeted the video of Biden — yet. But let’s try to learn from this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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A deceptively edited video of Joe Biden signals what's coming (Original Post) Gothmog Jan 2020 OP

Joe is up against a lot, first Putin, then the GOP, then an entire group who allege Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #1

Information is the best defense Gothmog Jan 2020 #2

That is another problem, link is to WAPO and 99 out of 100 people seeing that Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #3

Here is another link. revmclaren Jan 2020 #13

thanks Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #14

I have a subscription to the Washington Post Gothmog Jan 2020 #15

The question is...when will Bernie attack Elizabeth? Attacking Biden will not purloin any of his UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #18

It comes as no surprise. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #4

Wow, the Twitter thread responses know exactly which campaign did this, R B Garr Jan 2020 #5

No deceptive editing required for Trump's videos bitterross Jan 2020 #6

That is so true PatSeg Jan 2020 #7

This one back fired big time.. He needs to put Sirota and company on short leashes or fire them Peacetrain Jan 2020 #8

democrat attacked by repubs and an independent. he is surrounded nt msongs Jan 2020 #9

worth pointing out (once again) that Putin wasn't the only one stopdiggin Jan 2020 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #11

That one's not even a deep fake. Deep fakes are coming. Recursion Jan 2020 #12

Is the only way to find out what happened to listen to 15 minutes of the complete... LAS14 Jan 2020 #16

K & R Duppers Jan 2020 #17

Deceptive video targeting Biden is a sign of things to come Gothmog Jan 2020 #19

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)

1. Joe is up against a lot, first Putin, then the GOP, then an entire group who allege

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:25 PM

Jan 2020

to be on the left but they are not.

Anyway, bad times ahead if we see a repeat...oops, cant say that can I.

One of the reasons I want Liz is I dont think they can do this to her the way they can Joe. I am for either of course, and it will be tougher for that group I mentioned to oppose her given her positions, they will of course but it will be obvious what they are really all about.

BTW, my comment above will appear in thousands of places now*...not because of me, but this will be a MEME for a few months by some to work against Joe, pretend to be SINCERE liberal democrats like myself expressing an opinion but really saying this to attack Joe...sigh

*i dont mean they will see mine and do it I mean they are doing it already

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,694 posts)

2. Information is the best defense

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:26 PM

Jan 2020

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)

3. That is another problem, link is to WAPO and 99 out of 100 people seeing that

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:28 PM

Jan 2020

cant see it as we know.

It will appear elsewhere I know...but I wish WAPO would pull their wall for a few months leading up to election for this reason.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

revmclaren

(2,538 posts)

13. Here is another link.

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:41 PM

Jan 2020

[link:http://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-full-version-of-deceptively-edited-joe-biden-clip-discussing-our-european-culture/amp|]

Other Media outlets are picking up the story.

ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)

14. thanks

Reply to revmclaren (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:58 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,694 posts)

15. I have a subscription to the Washington Post

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:15 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)

18. The question is...when will Bernie attack Elizabeth? Attacking Biden will not purloin any of his

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:41 AM

Jan 2020

voters...but Warren's supporters are more in his wheelhouse.

So why attack Biden at all??? What does he really gain by that ??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TexasTowelie

(112,525 posts)

4. It comes as no surprise.

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:28 PM

Jan 2020

We've already seen one campaign use similar tactics against other Democratic candidates this primary season.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

R B Garr

(16,998 posts)

5. Wow, the Twitter thread responses know exactly which campaign did this,

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:31 PM

Jan 2020

and it isn't Trump. So glad to see people aware and unafraid to call it out this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

bitterross

(4,066 posts)

6. No deceptive editing required for Trump's videos

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:41 PM

Jan 2020

There's no need to edit Trump videos. They're off the charts bad just as they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

PatSeg

(47,658 posts)

7. That is so true

Reply to bitterross (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:56 PM

Jan 2020

Basically Trump can bury himself without any help whatsoever. Just play the tapes or publish the transcripts. He does his own oppo-research on himself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Peacetrain

(22,880 posts)

8. This one back fired big time.. He needs to put Sirota and company on short leashes or fire them

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:59 PM

Jan 2020

because it will all come back on Sanders.. and those other characters will just collect their checks and see what other damage they can do to someone else. no soul

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

msongs

(67,462 posts)

9. democrat attacked by repubs and an independent. he is surrounded nt

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:23 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

stopdiggin

(11,388 posts)

10. worth pointing out (once again) that Putin wasn't the only one

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:24 PM

Jan 2020

involved in the disinformation campaign. In fact estimates are that only a small portion of fake news, slanted posts and misinformation originated from those sources. The vast majority? Good old American home cookin'.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)

12. That one's not even a deep fake. Deep fakes are coming.

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:27 PM

Jan 2020

It's going to be an ugly cycle.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LAS14

(13,783 posts)

16. Is the only way to find out what happened to listen to 15 minutes of the complete...

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:20 PM

Jan 2020

.... interchange? Then listen to the bad edit? And try to remember where it came in the 15 minute video? Can someone just tell me in words what Biden said (the shortest bit that will do the job) and explain what the badly edited video took out?

We badly need a SHORT easy to share explanation that gives the specifics, not abstractions.

tia
las

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Duppers

(28,127 posts)

17. K & R

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:30 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Gothmog

(145,694 posts)

19. Deceptive video targeting Biden is a sign of things to come

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:25 PM

Jan 2020

From the Maddow Blog http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/deceptive-video-targeting-biden-sign-things-come

After noting that even some media professionals initially fell for the wildly misleading Biden story, Greg added, “One hopes this episode will be taken as a cautionary tale of what’s coming.”

I think that’s absolutely right, though I’d add one related point. It’s not exactly a secret that many political players have launched an aggressive campaign to discredit independent news organizations. There’s some isolated noise about this on the left – encouraging people not to believe “corporate” media, for example – but it’s the right that’s obviously fueling the broader campaign.

The implications of these efforts are sweeping, but they’re especially relevant in instances like these.

Under normal circumstances, if a leading presidential candidate were to say something brazenly racist at an event, the public could expect reporters from major news organizations to report the story and alert voters to what happened. But when Americans are urged not to trust “the media,” it becomes more difficult for some news consumers to know what to believe.

This is true of the fact-check reports that set the record straight, but also of the larger phenomenon. Some may have seen the deceptive Biden video, for example, assumed it was legitimate, and concluded that news organizations didn’t run with the story because of a scheme to “protect” a Democratic presidential candidate. Such thinking would be consistent with Donald Trump’s worldview: the president routinely tells his followers that “fake” news outlets have hatched an elaborate conspiracy to undermine him and his allies, while aiding his rivals.

It leads many news consumers to trust nonsense, rather than journalism, and it’s a problem that’s not going away anytime soon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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