"Sanders + Warren have raised $189 million with small-dollar grassroots donations."

I'm finding it hard to believe those pushing things like this truly don't get it.

does not understand the tragedy of Trump.
I know Dems are the good guys, but you don't all have to help so hard!!!
Tough love, I say.
3rd way was aptly named and should seriously consider a 3rd party.

Mark Penn & Nancy Jacobson

All you need to know about 3rd Way Foundation. Funded by The Walton’s of Walmart fame.

Sadly, Muckety Maps was bumped off line

Very funny.

and leave the Democrats alone. They have enough money. right?? RIGHT????

Oh riiiight, Sanders registered as a Independent for his future Senate race... So it looks like Sanders already started that whole 3rd party BS.

This is so zen! Happy weekend!

There's a reason Biden has led for the past year -- both in the primary polls and in the GE match-ups against Trump -- despite Sanders and Warren outspending him.

They are laying out fundraising itself in an extremely deceptive manner.

doesn't understand how any of this works.

And yet there are at least a dozen posts asserting that very thing.

Moderate , small crowds , base doesn't show up ..We lose ….Been there , done that ………..It looks like we are going to it - yet again

pushed the LIE that there is no difference between Democrats and republicans

And to face Trump a candidate needs to actually win the Democratic primaries.

all pushing what the media and the very rich want.

The extremely wealthy don't want to have to pay taxes or have their enormous share of the "pie" cut even by a tiny sliver.

Right now, they have a sweet deal where virtually every aspect of our society is arranged as a pipeline to send wealth from....well, everywhere directly to their bank accounts, so they prefer a moderate who reassures them that nothing will change, that the will still be getting most of, well, everything.

Besides, they reason, those of us who are left of center have no where else to go, so we don't matter at all.

I'm sick of being told that only "centrists" or "moderates" are worthy of even being listened to.

Senate, kiss the GOP tax scam goodbye. It's borderline propoganda to suggest it won't happen.

that nothing will change for them.

I believe him.

He also said he wouldn't demonize them. "Nothing" would change for them? That's not true at all:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/12/04/biden-tax-increase-democratic-rivals-075462

progressive, hands down the progressive would win. Sanders vs Biden Sanders wins. Are they polling millennials? I think they will be voting in large #s for a progressive!

and Warren by double digits.

It was done by Echelon Insights.

Tweet about that from 538's Matt Grossman:

Link to tweet

Among college students, Sanders wins in the Dem primary with 51%

and millenials. It's amusing that you have to drill down to such a small portion of the Democratic Party to find a demographic group where Bernie has the majority though.

I guess that you'll be quoting the polls for suburban Instant Pot owners next?

I prefer those that actually vote

and btw - facts don't say otherwise. they say 51% of college students. Sure, it probably isn't a DNC approved poll. Is that what makes something fact?
Just stop being bullies.

same.

Most respondents, across all groups, answered that the party is either "Too liberal" or "About right". Even among self described liberals, only 30% said "Not liberal enough".




https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/2r6hyqtv9p/econTabReport.pdf

And IIRC, she said (or insinuated) that they'd even support the "right Republican"... whatever that means. All I know is that "Our Revolution" PAC and their mysterious and dark money is NO FRIEND of the Democratic party or Democratic candidates.

CM: Will the group be endorsing non-Democrats?

NT: You know what, yes. We are open to it. And for me, I’ve also heard the senator say this lately too: Let’s put the political affiliation to the side. If there is a Republican or a Libertarian or Green Party person that believes in Medicare for all, then that’s our kind of person.

... they are LYING to you ...

... just like always ...

... do try to keep up ...

If you think the best way to garner those party votes is to nominate someone on the far left, it seems like an odd strategy.

You're right that we've moved the country too far to the right, but that just makes a moderate appear to be in deep left field as it is. Maybe you're thinking that if we get a true liberal on the ballot we'll win the Trump voters over. Say that out loud and see how it sounds.

Electorate will be.

And Black women gave us Virginia...kind of insult to consider nominating someone they support in such low numbers as Warren or Sanders.

From the Washington Post:“National Democratic organizations and interest groups — promoting such issues as gun control, women’s rights and clean energy — carpeted the state with money, boosting suburban legislative races to the spending level of congressional elections.”

Suburban women tend to be moderate.

clean energy and women’s rights!!! Progressive issues😃

Examples: roe v wade
Super fund for environmental clean up 80’s and 90’s
The Brady Bill

Stop trying to say the Dems haven’t been pushing these issue for years when they have...

is MFA, free college with no income requirements etc.

No, they didn't. Voter turnout rates are still clearly delineated by age.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/04/behind-2018-united-states-midterm-election-turnout.html

It is a frustration for sure for progressives.

I am a liberal. I am not woke nor am I progressive as defined by Sanders and to a lesser extent Warren.

and then we can lobby for reforms we'd all like. The political pendulum swings slowly unless there is true national crisis like unpopular war or depression. We need a Democratic government of strength to lockup the frauds in power now.

Looking at the voting ages in the article linked above, it is the 65+ voters (like me) that voted in the highest number. We want a stable government that's respected on the world stage. That is why Biden is consistently polling out in front. He has ihe most foreign policy experience. There will be time after that to talk about other domestic issues that our far left brethren are supporting. IMHO Biden is the candidate that can carry Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. These are MUST WIN states for an electoral college victory. Getting rid of the present squatter in the People's House should be our ONLY priority.

I also remember in early 2008 when Obama was unelectable.

But who can forget such hits as

Dukakis/Bentsen, because the votes are between the 40 years lines!
Gore/Lieberman, because we have to appeal to moderates who just didn't like Bill Clinton.
Kerry/Edwards, because Dean was way to liberal about the Iraq war, and we need to appeal to the moderates.
Clinton/Kaine, because we need to appeal to the anti-Trump Republicans!

With Biden/MaybeARepublican leading the polls in 2020. What could possibly go wrong?

was sooooooo energized that not even the Reverend scandal could bring him down and I was so afraid that that was going to be the end for Obama because of all the faux outrage being repeated over and over and over again on the news.

Please give us someone we can get excited about!!!!

AND we will. We will knock on doors, show up in large numbers.

Remember this is the year of the Woman and it is the woman who has caused the most progressive changes since Trump was elected. Trust us and give us a real reason to get excited about the future of our planet and our children!

If we are not afraid we will be rewarded.

Remember that it is money that keeps the media from presenting the left as electable. It is they who routinely pick our candidates and it needs to end now. We are in trouble and real bold change is a must not slight differences in how wall street gets to control our government.

Thank you!

And now they complain about all the rightie shit they helped usher in over the years...like United , two wars, a right wing court,income inequality, tax cuts...etc etc. The left /Greens never have a majority in terms of winning an election and clearly looking at the Senate they are not competitive in 30 states. Also, 18 and 19 clearly show moderates can win the house and local elections, but somehow the left/ Greens manage to spoil presidential elections and in 16 even Senate elections as strong liberals like Feingold went down ...they seize defeat from the jaws of victory. And of course they are busy trying to decide which Democratic seats they can primary...having little interest it seems in actually beating Republicans.

"As of 2019, the GOP controls the presidency, a majority in the U.S. Senate, a majority of state governorships, a majority (30) of state legislatures, and 21 state government trifectas (governorship and both legislative chambers). Five of the nine sitting U.S. Supreme Court justices were nominated by Republican presidents."

Gore was savaged by Bradley? Really? Do you have a link to a specific example? Kerry came from nowhere and won Iowa. How was he savaged in the primaries and by whom? Clinton ran against a tiny field with only one opponent with the remotest of chances to upset her. That isn't savagery. It isn't close, especially when compared to the two examples in my title line.

Primaries are the fire where presidents are forged. They aren't coronations; they are crucibles.

and consider the horror the GOP have unleashed...today we are about to go to war with Iran...thanks...Green left...

See also: Carter, Clinton, Obama.

'establishment candidate.

"April 16, 2004 | Page 8

ELIZABETH SCHULTE looks at the rotten record of John Kerry.

IF THERE was any question about John Kerry being a "liberal," the Massachusetts senator cleared it up during the February debate of Democratic presidential contenders in New York City. No way, Kerry said.

"It's absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life," Kerry snapped--before proudly coming up with a long list of his less-than-liberal credentials, including "deficit reduction" and putting "100,000 police officers on the streets of America.

After a brief flirtation with populist rhetoric and his uptight version of being a "regular guy" that helped get him the Democratic Party's presidential nomination in primaries earlier this year, Kerry has quickly eased back into a role he seems much more comfortable with. Sounding like his opponent, George W. Bush."

"With the threat of Donald Trump moving into the White House, the heat is on activists and the left to support the Democratic Party candidate. But does the Democratic Party establishment's choice, Hillary Clinton, really deserve your vote? What is her record? Does she represent a departure from what some see as the “liberal heart” of the Democratic Party? What would a Clinton White House look like?"


http://socialistworker.org/2004-1/495/495_08_RottenKerry.php
https://socialism2016.sched.com/event/6xlD/seven-shocking-facts-you-need-to-know-about-hillary-clinton

You're beyond moving goal posts, you are moving stadiums and changing sports.

you bring a strawman. GG

The postercame from left field with things that were not on topic. Should the user choose to provide examples that back their initial claim I will be happy to respond. Off-topic Gish gallops really don't fit the bill.

"Excitement wins elections. Not safety." was the topic.

Sanders has a cult group of followers. That is all. Cant get past 17% nationally in a democratic primary. Do you call that "excitement" I sure as hell don't.

However that "group" Sanders commands will burn the primary down if he doesn't "win" talk about savage. I saw the same in 2000, 2004, 2008. Don't recall 1996.

Thread switched topics multiple times, so I don't know why you need "sources" when you didn't provide any to start with.

Link to tweet

Until then, it's nothing but moving parts.

The Democrats should go with what works. That's excitement.

Thanks for posting!

Polls in Florida and Virginia show Biden as the ONLY Democrat beating Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/only-joe-biden-beats-donald-trump-in-new-florida-and-virginia-polls/

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2019-12-31/biden-holds-narrow-lead-over-trump-in-florida-virginia-poll

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/12/31/election-2020-poll-says-trump-beats-every-dem-but-biden-florida-virginia/2782320001/

What kind of people are we courting? As you describe them, they sound awful.

To think we can do without them is nothing but a pipe dream.

...absolutely right...

...Bernie and Elizabeth are on to something big, we and they know it...

...small people with small donations don't squander their lunch money on frivolous adventures...

...they give their limited hard-earned dollars to people willing to invest in a brighter future for themselves and their family not to people spewing empty slogans and promises from the past...

...people know what's real...

In order to beat him, we need someone like Sanders (7 letters) or Warren (6 letters.) Biden (5 letters) just won't do.

Donald John Trump (15 letters)
Bernard Sanders (14 letters)

Game over! LOL.

To quote Pete Buttigieg "Single payer is the moderate position. A National Health Care system is the left".

Catching up to Great Britain or Canada, let alone Norway is the moderate position.

Biden is not a moderate. Neither is Mayor Pete, or Klobucher.

We are letting the media define us when we let them get away with claiming main stream policies from our parties past as too left wing.

left, MFA, clean energy, college debt, corruption in politics, campaign finance are not far left issues but the media would have you believe that no one wants those things.

Bernie and Elizabeth are center compared to where we stand today!

It's just that plenty of us don't believe that M4A, Green New Deal, and having the government pay for college for everyone are realistic solutions for these problem. I get really pissed of when supporters of far-left candidates act like they are the only ones who take these problems seriously, and their solutions are the only way to address them. Promising a solution that won't ever pass is in some ways worse than denying that the problem exists, because it prevents any real improvments from occurring. If the far left had their way, the ACA would have never been passed.

oligarch light. Corporatists light.

Seriously, "oligarch light. Corporatists light"?

Pure BS.

Virginia and Florida can make the difference one way or another Writing them off will set us all back

write our laws, healthcare is horrendous, infrastructure is crumbling, planet is choking to death, Donald Trump is our President and we are afraid, too timid to FIGHT, to get in the streets, we except this miserable death sentence of our democracy?

We can’t get a damn thing through Congress due to lobbyists and special interests not allowing the people to actually rule and choose, media conglomerates prop up the corruption. We are a rotting has been democracy murdering around the world, caging children, some have died we are sick and need to redeem this Country. Have to be bold and brave! FIGHT!