Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhat is this weird "I apologize to no one" routine from Sanders? Has anyone asked him
to apologize for the things he's now saying he won't apologize for?
The "I apologize to no one" for opposing war video was made and first released last May -- it isn't about any recent or new criiticism, as far as I know, though he tweeted it again yesterday as if he was responding to identical circumstances.
Article about the video from The Hill last May:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445382-sanders-slams-calls-to-apologize-for-opposing-war-with-iran
It seems strange for Sanders to bring that up now, more than 7 months after the criticism.
But today's statement was even more bizarre:
I apologize to nobody that I'm the son of an immigrant.
I apologize to nobody that, as president, our administration will take on the greed and corruption of the corporate elite.
The third point he's making there is moot, since he's unlikely to be the nominee, let alone president. And FWIW, I can't recall ANY Democratic nominee who hasn't been opposed to greed and corruption, so that's nothing new.
The first two points there, though, presuppose that someone has criticized him for "working class roots" or being "the son of an immigrant," and that the criticism got so much attention it deserves this response.
Where are these critics who are going after him for working class roots or being the son of an immigrant?
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mcar
(42,426 posts)Who is he talking to?
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thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)It makes sense in the context of working class roots or being the son of an immigrant. The other, not so much. Political rhetoric, I guess.
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Cha
(297,879 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....of the Sandy Hook murders, or the families of the Charleston murders.
He seems to have a guilty conscience.
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braddy
(3,585 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Non, je ne regrette rien
Ni le bien, qu'on m'a fait
Ni le mal, tout ça m'est bien égal
Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien
C'est payé, balayé, oublié
Je me fous du passé
Avec mes souvenirs
J'ai allumé le feu
Mes chagrins, mes plaisirs
Je n'ai plus besoin d'eux
Balayer les amours
Avec leurs trémolos
Balayer pour toujours
Je repars à zéro
Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien
Ni le bien, qu'on m'a fait
Ni le mal, tout ça m'est bien égal
Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien
Car ma vie, car mes joies
Aujourd'hui, ça commence avec toi
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Hav
(5,969 posts)that fits better to approach this with humour. Either "Old man yelling at clouds" or "Sir, this is a Wendy's."
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betsuni
(25,729 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)The Donor Class , too ...This is his way of telling the elites to "stuff it" .. He doesn't want their money - and he obviously doesn't need their money . The snobs who don't give a damn about the working class despise the only candidate who has devoted his life to fighting for the working class
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highplainsdem
(49,063 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,983 posts)Is the donor class allowed to give more than the 2800 individual donation the rest of us are allowed. Is there something I am misunderstanding? There is a cap.
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BannonsLiver
(16,537 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
booley
(3,855 posts)I have had too many arguments on DU of all places, that Billionaires don't use money for access.
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)That's his schtick.
Sid
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Thekaspervote
(32,813 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Started, I'm guessing, when he was born.
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wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(49,063 posts)I'm just wondering if there was any rational reason for him to make these statements the last couple of days, as if he was responding to criticism, when there's been no news about such criticism.
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wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)But his being non-apologeticthat aloneseemed to set you off enough to make this thread, so I can imagine why he's acting defiant.
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highplainsdem
(49,063 posts)for his issuing those non-apologies, and because of that, they were bizarre.
I couldn't care less if Sanders is non-apologetic, but if he announces non-apologies for no reason, we could be in for a very long, strange list of all the things he's non-apologetic for.
I have to admit it seems like an original way to campaign. Probably not a good one, but original.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)a presidential candidate, one of ours, tweets that he refuses to apologize about things no one has
criticized hm for. Maybe he just wanted to draw attention to his immigrant family and working class roots, but he chose to do so without any context in which to do so and either believes detractors are criticizing his background, when they are not, or feels it serves him to act as if.
In either case, weird is the word for this latest.
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progressoid
(50,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,729 posts)Democratic Party cannot talk to where to came from."
"I'm 78. I plead guilty. .... unlike all the kids I'm running against, you can check my record going back a long way. You can find out that when I was mayor of Burlington, I was on the picket line with workers around my state. You find out that I was talking about gay rights before it was fashionable. That I was fighting for Medicare for All before most people even knew what that concept was. The advantage of having a long track record is that I am too old to change. I have stood up and fought for working families my entire life. I am the son of the working class, that's where I come from, that is who I am. I know where I come from. I apologize to nobody for my working class roots. I apologize to nobody that I am the son of an immigrant. And I apologize to nobody that as president our administration will take on the greed and corruption of the corporate elite."
Knock yourself out attacking those windmills that you think are giants! Democrats are not giant Republicans.
Bernie, you're an elected official. The job is to pass legislature. Your record going back a long way tells us very little.
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Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)Nobody has asked for his apology.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,924 posts)I thought working-class roots were an almost essential selling point for any political candidate in any party - the "man of the people" and all that. No politician ever apologizes for working-class roots; they often claim to have them even when they don't. Hell, even Republicans tout their alleged connections to the working class. Claiming you aren't going to apologize for it is sort of the next level of a humblebrag.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,750 posts)I am not aware of anyone who has asked sanders to apologize sanders should apologize for many things but everyone knows that it is a waste of time asking sanders for an apology
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Class struggle as a political movement (Our Revolution etc.) is something I think he picked up years ago when he stayed at the Sha'ar HaAmakim Kibbutz in Israel:
Sha'ar HaAmakim is a kibbutz in northern Israel associated with the Hashomer Hatzair movement founded in 1935.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair
The kibbutz was associated with the Hashomer Hatzair movement:
Hashomer Hatzair is a Socialist-Zionist, secular Jewish youth movement founded in 1913 in Galicia, Austria-Hungary, and it was also the name of the group's political party in the Yishuv in the pre-1948 British Mandate of Palestine (see Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party of Palestine).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair_Workers_Party
And the movement had a political party called Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party of Palestine which put an emphasis on class struggle:
In contrast with Mapai, the main Labour Zionist party in Palestine at the time, the Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party put heavier emphasis on class struggle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair_Workers_Party
Class struggle. Drilled into him early on at the Stalinist kibbutz. And he's still going on about it. Oy!
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booley
(3,855 posts)IF you all are seriously confused about what Sanders is talking bout, what he is responding too, it's in the first paragraph
Let me help you
In a tweet, Sanders wrote that he will "apologize to no one" for supporting peaceful diplomatic efforts over armed conflict with Iran, citing U.S. wars in Iraq and Vietnam as examples of past U.S. armed responses that resulted in long-running and exhausting wars.
"I was right about Vietnam. I was right about Iraq. I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran. I apologize to no one," the senator tweeted, along with a video explaining his stance against war with the country.
Ok maybe you need the full context of the conversation
Todd pointed to an issue that the Times report, with its rehashing of Cold War dogma, had raised. Its no secret that President Trump and his allies are hell-bent on conflating the mainstream democratic socialism that Sanders embraces with Stalinism.
The response that Sanders gave was, indeed, defiant. The senator rejected the constraints that too many Democrats have accepted when it comes to foreign-policy discussions.
To Todds core question about being hammered and sickled by Trump and his allies, the senator offered, I dont mind the right wing doing it. But I understand they will do it. I dont want the media to do it.
https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-nicaragua-vietnam-iraq-war/
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It allows him an excuse to advertise both a righteousness (real or imagined) and his oppression by 'the establishment' (again, real or imagined) in one, quick bumper sticker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden