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highplainsdem

(49,063 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:37 PM Jan 2020

What is this weird "I apologize to no one" routine from Sanders? Has anyone asked him

to apologize for the things he's now saying he won't apologize for?

The "I apologize to no one" for opposing war video was made and first released last May -- it isn't about any recent or new criiticism, as far as I know, though he tweeted it again yesterday as if he was responding to identical circumstances.

Article about the video from The Hill last May:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445382-sanders-slams-calls-to-apologize-for-opposing-war-with-iran

It seems strange for Sanders to bring that up now, more than 7 months after the criticism.

But today's statement was even more bizarre:

I apologize to nobody for my working class roots

I apologize to nobody that I'm the son of an immigrant.

I apologize to nobody that, as president, our administration will take on the greed and corruption of the corporate elite.


The third point he's making there is moot, since he's unlikely to be the nominee, let alone president. And FWIW, I can't recall ANY Democratic nominee who hasn't been opposed to greed and corruption, so that's nothing new.

The first two points there, though, presuppose that someone has criticized him for "working class roots" or being "the son of an immigrant," and that the criticism got so much attention it deserves this response.

Where are these critics who are going after him for working class roots or being the son of an immigrant?
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What is this weird "I apologize to no one" routine from Sanders? Has anyone asked him (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP
It's odd mcar Jan 2020 #1
It's a way of saying you're not ashamed of something, that some people might be ashamed of. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #4
Yeah.. he must think it's clever.. it's not. Cha Jan 2020 #32
He also said he wouldn't apologize to the families and friends of the victims.... George II Jan 2020 #2
I apologize to no one for opposing racism. braddy Jan 2020 #3
Non, rien de rien The Valley Below Jan 2020 #5
I'm struggling to choose the meme Hav Jan 2020 #6
I thought of "Sir, this is a Wendy's" first. betsuni Jan 2020 #8
Lol jrthin Jan 2020 #12
Great post. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #7
The corporate media shills look down their nose at Bernie ritapria Jan 2020 #9
How in the world do you get "I don't want your money" from those statements? highplainsdem Jan 2020 #15
Question? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #21
Uh huh BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #30
this right here booley Jan 2020 #33
He's always got to be playing the victim... SidDithers Jan 2020 #10
This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #19
It's his "No Apologies" tour. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #11
You seem to have a problem with it, so it's working wellst0nev0ter Jan 2020 #13
It's only "working" if Sanders's objective was to make himself seem weird. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #14
I dunno wellst0nev0ter Jan 2020 #16
You seem to be having trouble understanding what I wrote. There wasn't any apparent reason highplainsdem Jan 2020 #17
Now he's being defiant because of HPD's thread? Seriously. Some of us find it unsettling that emmaverybo Jan 2020 #20
It is weird. It's almost like he's running for President or something. progressoid Jan 2020 #22
Same as usual. Bernie: "I come from the white working class and I am deeply humiliated that the betsuni Jan 2020 #23
Attention-seeking. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #24
Begging the question. MineralMan Jan 2020 #25
Nobody has ever asked him to apologize. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #26
And Bernie really doesn't want his "working class roots" examined too closely LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #28
It is just a campaign device and don't you know only he can fix it? nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #27
I agree that this is not normal Gothmog Jan 2020 #29
Bernie is absolutely hooked on class struggle. That's why he's bringing up the first two points. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #31
I have to ask, how many of you actually read the article booley Jan 2020 #34
It's a cheap applause line pandering to the self-righteous LanternWaste Jan 2020 #35
 

mcar

(42,426 posts)
1. It's odd
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:40 PM
Jan 2020

Who is he talking to?

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thesquanderer

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4. It's a way of saying you're not ashamed of something, that some people might be ashamed of.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:44 PM
Jan 2020

It makes sense in the context of working class roots or being the son of an immigrant. The other, not so much. Political rhetoric, I guess.

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Cha

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32. Yeah.. he must think it's clever.. it's not.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:05 AM
Jan 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
2. He also said he wouldn't apologize to the families and friends of the victims....
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

....of the Sandy Hook murders, or the families of the Charleston murders.

He seems to have a guilty conscience.

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braddy

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3. I apologize to no one for opposing racism.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:43 PM
Jan 2020
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The Valley Below

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5. Non, rien de rien
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:46 PM
Jan 2020

Non, je ne regrette rien
Ni le bien, qu'on m'a fait
Ni le mal, tout ça m'est bien égal

Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien
C'est payé, balayé, oublié
Je me fous du passé

Avec mes souvenirs
J'ai allumé le feu
Mes chagrins, mes plaisirs
Je n'ai plus besoin d'eux
Balayer les amours
Avec leurs trémolos
Balayer pour toujours
Je repars à zéro

Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien
Ni le bien, qu'on m'a fait
Ni le mal, tout ça m'est bien égal

Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien
Car ma vie, car mes joies
Aujourd'hui, ça commence avec toi

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Hav

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6. I'm struggling to choose the meme
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:46 PM
Jan 2020

that fits better to approach this with humour. Either "Old man yelling at clouds" or "Sir, this is a Wendy's."

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betsuni

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8. I thought of "Sir, this is a Wendy's" first.
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:49 PM
Jan 2020
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ritapria

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9. The corporate media shills look down their nose at Bernie
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:57 PM
Jan 2020

The Donor Class , too ...This is his way of telling the elites to "stuff it" ….. He doesn't want their money - and he obviously doesn't need their money …. The snobs who don't give a damn about the working class despise the only candidate who has devoted his life to fighting for the working class …

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highplainsdem

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15. How in the world do you get "I don't want your money" from those statements?
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:45 AM
Jan 2020
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sheshe2

(83,983 posts)
18. Question?
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 01:16 AM
Jan 2020

Is the donor class allowed to give more than the 2800 individual donation the rest of us are allowed. Is there something I am misunderstanding? There is a cap.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
33. this right here
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:09 AM
Jan 2020

I have had too many arguments on DU of all places, that Billionaires don't use money for access.

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SidDithers

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10. He's always got to be playing the victim...
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:01 AM
Jan 2020

That's his schtick.

Sid

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OilemFirchen

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11. It's his "No Apologies" tour.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jan 2020

Started, I'm guessing, when he was born.

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wellst0nev0ter

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13. You seem to have a problem with it, so it's working
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:39 AM
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highplainsdem

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14. It's only "working" if Sanders's objective was to make himself seem weird.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:43 AM
Jan 2020

I'm just wondering if there was any rational reason for him to make these statements the last couple of days, as if he was responding to criticism, when there's been no news about such criticism.

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wellst0nev0ter

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16. I dunno
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 12:59 AM
Jan 2020

But his being non-apologetic—that alone—seemed to set you off enough to make this thread, so I can imagine why he's acting defiant.

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highplainsdem

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17. You seem to be having trouble understanding what I wrote. There wasn't any apparent reason
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020

for his issuing those non-apologies, and because of that, they were bizarre.

I couldn't care less if Sanders is non-apologetic, but if he announces non-apologies for no reason, we could be in for a very long, strange list of all the things he's non-apologetic for.

I have to admit it seems like an original way to campaign. Probably not a good one, but original.

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emmaverybo

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20. Now he's being defiant because of HPD's thread? Seriously. Some of us find it unsettling that
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 01:35 AM
Jan 2020

a presidential candidate, one of ours, tweets that he refuses to apologize about things no one has
criticized hm for. Maybe he just wanted to draw attention to his immigrant family and working class roots, but he chose to do so without any context in which to do so and either believes detractors are criticizing his background, when they are not, or feels it serves him to act as if.

In either case, weird is the word for this latest.

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progressoid

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22. It is weird. It's almost like he's running for President or something.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 01:57 AM
Jan 2020
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betsuni

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23. Same as usual. Bernie: "I come from the white working class and I am deeply humiliated that the
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:21 AM
Jan 2020

Democratic Party cannot talk to where to came from."

"I'm 78. I plead guilty. .... unlike all the kids I'm running against, you can check my record going back a long way. You can find out that when I was mayor of Burlington, I was on the picket line with workers around my state. You find out that I was talking about gay rights before it was fashionable. That I was fighting for Medicare for All before most people even knew what that concept was. The advantage of having a long track record is that I am too old to change. I have stood up and fought for working families my entire life. I am the son of the working class, that's where I come from, that is who I am. I know where I come from. I apologize to nobody for my working class roots. I apologize to nobody that I am the son of an immigrant. And I apologize to nobody that as president our administration will take on the greed and corruption of the corporate elite."

Knock yourself out attacking those windmills that you think are giants! Democrats are not giant Republicans.



Bernie, you're an elected official. The job is to pass legislature. Your record going back a long way tells us very little.
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MineralMan

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25. Begging the question.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:28 AM
Jan 2020

Nobody has asked for his apology.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

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26. Nobody has ever asked him to apologize.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

I thought working-class roots were an almost essential selling point for any political candidate in any party - the "man of the people" and all that. No politician ever apologizes for working-class roots; they often claim to have them even when they don't. Hell, even Republicans tout their alleged connections to the working class. Claiming you aren't going to apologize for it is sort of the next level of a humblebrag.

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LongtimeAZDem

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28. And Bernie really doesn't want his "working class roots" examined too closely
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 02:25 PM
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UniteFightBack

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27. It is just a campaign device and don't you know only he can fix it? nt
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

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29. I agree that this is not normal
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jan 2020

I am not aware of anyone who has asked sanders to apologize sanders should apologize for many things but everyone knows that it is a waste of time asking sanders for an apology

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Scurrilous

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31. Bernie is absolutely hooked on class struggle. That's why he's bringing up the first two points.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jan 2020

Class struggle as a political movement (Our Revolution etc.) is something I think he picked up years ago when he stayed at the Sha'ar HaAmakim Kibbutz in Israel:

Sha'ar HaAmakim is a kibbutz in northern Israel associated with the Hashomer Hatzair movement founded in 1935.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair


The kibbutz was associated with the Hashomer Hatzair movement:

Hashomer Hatzair is a Socialist-Zionist, secular Jewish youth movement founded in 1913 in Galicia, Austria-Hungary, and it was also the name of the group's political party in the Yishuv in the pre-1948 British Mandate of Palestine (see Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party of Palestine).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair_Workers_Party


And the movement had a political party called Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party of Palestine which put an emphasis on class struggle:

In contrast with Mapai, the main Labour Zionist party in Palestine at the time, the Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party put heavier emphasis on class struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair_Workers_Party


Class struggle. Drilled into him early on at the Stalinist kibbutz. And he's still going on about it. Oy!




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booley

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34. I have to ask, how many of you actually read the article
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:26 AM
Jan 2020

IF you all are seriously confused about what Sanders is talking bout, what he is responding too, it's in the first paragraph

Let me help you

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) took aim at calls for him to "apologize" for his refusal to support U.S. armed conflicts in the Middle East, saying Friday that he was "right" about past U.S. wars and would continue to advocate against war with Iran.

In a tweet, Sanders wrote that he will "apologize to no one" for supporting peaceful diplomatic efforts over armed conflict with Iran, citing U.S. wars in Iraq and Vietnam as examples of past U.S. armed responses that resulted in long-running and exhausting wars.

"I was right about Vietnam. I was right about Iraq. I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran. I apologize to no one," the senator tweeted, along with a video explaining his stance against war with the country.


Ok maybe you need the full context of the conversation

In the key exchange on Meet the Press, moderator Chuck Todd began by mentioning recent New York Times coverage that imagined there was something controversial about the presidential contender’s record of opposing the wrongheaded policies of past presidents—including the Reagan administration’s support of murderous right-wing groups that operated in Latin America during the 1980s. “The New York Times spent a lot of time talking about your trips to Central America. I know you got pretty worked up about those things,” said Todd. “I think the larger question, and let me just frame the question this way: The larger question’s going to be, if you’re the nominee, whether you like it or not, the right’s going to basically hammer-and-sickle you to death. How do you prevent it?”

Todd pointed to an issue that the Times report, with its rehashing of Cold War dogma, had raised. It’s no secret that President Trump and his allies are hell-bent on conflating the mainstream democratic socialism that Sanders embraces with Stalinism.

The response that Sanders gave was, indeed, defiant. The senator rejected the constraints that too many Democrats have accepted when it comes to foreign-policy discussions.

To Todd’s core question about being “hammered and sickled” by Trump and his allies, the senator offered, “I don’t mind the right wing doing it. But I understand they will do it. I don’t want the media to do it.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-nicaragua-vietnam-iraq-war/
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LanternWaste

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35. It's a cheap applause line pandering to the self-righteous
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

It allows him an excuse to advertise both a righteousness (real or imagined) and his oppression by 'the establishment' (again, real or imagined) in one, quick bumper sticker.

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