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comradebillyboy

(10,180 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:27 AM Jan 2020

Bernie Sanders promised to disclose his medical records. What happened?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-promised-to-disclose-his-medical-records-what-happened/2020/01/04/9769ed08-2e67-11ea-bcd4-24597950008f_story.html

WHEN THE late John McCain was running for president in 2008, questions about his health arose. At 72, McCain would have been the oldest president if elected, and there were issues related to his past treatment for melanoma and his experience as a prisoner of war. McCain dealt with the concerns with his characteristic candor. The Arizona senator made 1,173 pages of his medical records available to the media, setting a standard for accessibility and transparency.

We can’t help but be reminded of — and long for — McCain and his recognition of the people’s right to know in light of the dismissive way Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a top contender to be the Democratic presidential nominee, has sought to deal with questions about his health. At 78, Mr. Sanders, too, would be the oldest president if elected, and in October he suffered a heart attack. He was briefly off the campaign trail but returned with vigor and a promise to release his medical records.

“Of course, we’re — of course, people do have a right to know about the health of a senator and someone running for president of the United States, full disclosure,” Mr. Sanders told CNN’s Sanjay Gupta. “And, we will make at the appropriate time, all of our medical records public for you or anybody else who wants to see them.” Mr. Sanders this week released some information — letters from three doctors attesting to his fitness for office — but it fell far short of his promise of full disclosure. When pressed by reporters if more information would be released, he said, “Probably not.”
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Bernie Sanders promised to disclose his medical records. What happened? (Original Post) comradebillyboy Jan 2020 OP
We've seen this before. The Democratic National Convention closes on July 16.... George II Jan 2020 #1
Not just a heart attack JaneQPublic Jan 2020 #2
It would disqualify him. So, he hides them. PubliusEnigma Jan 2020 #3
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Jan 2020 #4
Kick...nt SidDithers Jan 2020 #5
He released the same thing Biden did. Summary letters from their doctors. Autumn Jan 2020 #6
They want the long form EKGs and EEGs so they can interpret the results. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #7
I'd justify a broken promise too... LanternWaste Jan 2020 #11
You do know that Biden promised to release his "medical records" and he also broke that by Autumn Jan 2020 #14
sanders needs to release his actual health records Gothmog Jan 2020 #8
Biden promised to release his medical records and instead released a summary like Bernie did. Autumn Jan 2020 #15
You are wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #19
No he did not release his medical records as he promised either. You might want to read it. Autumn Jan 2020 #23
LOL The Washington Post was satisfied with Biden's records Gothmog Jan 2020 #24
Washington Post? That's a joke. Please continue twisting into pretzels to justify one and Autumn Jan 2020 #25
LOL-I like living in the real world and I am happy with my subscription to the Washington Post Gothmog Jan 2020 #29
I love my online subscription to the WaPo! greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #31
I refuse to get a NYT subscrption Gothmog Jan 2020 #32
I had a print subscription to the NYT more than 20 years ago. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #33
Bernie will never release them and his supporters won't care NYMinute Jan 2020 #9
Yep; lot of that these days LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #10
The world is a wonderful place when one wears blinders NYMinute Jan 2020 #12
What so you think about your candidate not releasing his medical records like he promised? Autumn Jan 2020 #21
Biden has not had a heart attack with a stent placement NYMinute Jan 2020 #27
The doctor released a summary as ordered per Joe Biden. Autumn Jan 2020 #28
Your right, I don't care. Just like Warren and Biden released letter summaries from their doctors Autumn Jan 2020 #17
Yeah but the rest of the country does.. Cha Jan 2020 #34
Yep .. Bernie supporters don't understand the gravity of the situation NYMinute Jan 2020 #35
I just don't get this. Who in the world needs to see his medical records? TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #13
Those who are concerned about his heart attack, but that's not the point LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #16
Thanks for your reply. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #18
You do know that Biden promised to release his medical records and he hasn't. Autumn Jan 2020 #22
Please see post #35 nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #36
Takes me back... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #20
Yeah I think it's about time Biden fulfilled his promise and finally releases his full medical Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #26
Biden released a much more detailed overview of his records. He also has not had a heart attack emmaverybo Jan 2020 #30
I thought you were leaving to go knock on doors etc.? NYMinute Jan 2020 #37
reminds me of when Sanders said he would release his taxes booley Jan 2020 #38
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. We've seen this before. The Democratic National Convention closes on July 16....
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jan 2020

The "appropriate time" is probably planned for July 17, at which time, since he won't be the nominee, he'll announce "I don't have to release them, I'm no longer a candidate."

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JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
2. Not just a heart attack
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

Earlier in 2019, Bernie had that shower mishap that resulted in 7 stitches to the head.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/bernie-sanders-shower-door-1223545

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PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
3. It would disqualify him. So, he hides them.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,750 posts)
4. Who is surprised by this?
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jan 2020

The actual medical records will describe the degree of damage to sanders heart and the risk of further heart attacks

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. He released the same thing Biden did. Summary letters from their doctors.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jan 2020

You even participated in one of the threads about it.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,348 posts)
7. They want the long form EKGs and EEGs so they can interpret the results.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jan 2020

Everyone is a doctor now

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. I'd justify a broken promise too...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jan 2020

A quick one-liner and cute little gif.

All you need now is consistent staffing problems, and voila-- the entire campaign in a nutshell.




(I get it... the walls are closing in. Not much else to do but post t-shirt slogans)

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
14. You do know that Biden promised to release his "medical records" and he also broke that by
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jan 2020

releasing a doctors summary that included no results from any stress tests regarding the irregularly irregular rhythm of his heart, probably from his AFib? His doctor mentioned that is passing. I find it odd that the same people putting Bernie down for breaking his promise to release his medical records and his doctors releasing summaries, which included the results of his stress test on his heart, are fine with Biden breaking his promise to released his medical records. There's a word for that. I'm sure it will come to me later.

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Gothmog

(145,750 posts)
8. sanders needs to release his actual health records
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jan 2020
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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
15. Biden promised to release his medical records and instead released a summary like Bernie did.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jan 2020

Why no complaint about Biden releasing only a summary?

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Gothmog

(145,750 posts)
19. You are wrong
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jan 2020

Biden released his health records

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
23. No he did not release his medical records as he promised either. You might want to read it.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020

The very first sentence from the doctor he has seen since 2009.

As requested by the patient, the following is a summary of the medical and surgical history of Vice President Joseph R. Biden


https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_%20j5EQzueoad.pdf

Get it straight. Bernie Liz and Biden all released summary letters from their doctors on their health. Words have meanings ya know
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Gothmog

(145,750 posts)
24. LOL The Washington Post was satisfied with Biden's records
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

What Biden provided was far more relevant and helpful compared to what sanders provided. The Post is calling out sanders for his refusal to provide his medical records but had no issue with Biden's records.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
25. Washington Post? That's a joke. Please continue twisting into pretzels to justify one and
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jan 2020

shit on the other, The WP is a joke, their whole article smells like flop sweat to me. No standards at all.

Biden releases a summary instead of his records... GO Joe! Bernie releases a summary...... But BERNIE!!!!!!!

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Gothmog

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29. LOL-I like living in the real world and I am happy with my subscription to the Washington Post
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:50 PM
Jan 2020

I trust the Washington Post on this

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greatauntoftriplets

(175,761 posts)
31. I love my online subscription to the WaPo!
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jan 2020

Far better coverage (and an easier website to use than the Chicago Tribune with all its pop ups). It's certainly worth the money.

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Gothmog

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32. I refuse to get a NYT subscrption
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jan 2020
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greatauntoftriplets

(175,761 posts)
33. I had a print subscription to the NYT more than 20 years ago.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jan 2020

When the Sunday crossword became the best thing about it for me, I gave it up. The Post has some great writers and analysis, and I say that as a journalism grad who worked in the business for a long time.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
9. Bernie will never release them and his supporters won't care
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jan 2020
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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
10. Yep; lot of that these days
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jan 2020
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
12. The world is a wonderful place when one wears blinders
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

Trump supporters also do this.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
21. What so you think about your candidate not releasing his medical records like he promised?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:31 PM
Jan 2020

Biden released a letter summary, just like Bernie and Liz did. You might want to take off your blinders. I accept the letter summaries from all three. Nothing more is needed by any of them.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
27. Biden has not had a heart attack with a stent placement
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jan 2020

Also, Biden has promised to release the entire medical file soon.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
28. The doctor released a summary as ordered per Joe Biden.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie's summary and his stress test shows his heart is fine and unlike Joe takes no medications for his heart such as the anticoagulant Joe takes for his AFib.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
17. Your right, I don't care. Just like Warren and Biden released letter summaries from their doctors
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

so did Bernie.

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Cha

(297,877 posts)
34. Yeah but the rest of the country does..
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:56 AM
Jan 2020

you don't run for potus and not release your medical history.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
35. Yep .. Bernie supporters don't understand the gravity of the situation
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:58 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie could get nominated and then get incapacitated or die before the GE -- then what?

Trump wins.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
13. I just don't get this. Who in the world needs to see his medical records?
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jan 2020

Is this some kind of joke?

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
16. Those who are concerned about his heart attack, but that's not the point
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

The point is that, once again, he said that he would release documents, and then reneged.

To me, it's an integrity issue.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
18. Thanks for your reply.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

I do get what you mentions as it being part of an issue with integrity. That makes sense.

I thought it was about what is in the medical records. We know that he recently fainted in the shower requiring multiple stitches, had a heart attack, and is 78 years old. If knowing that information hasn't made someone back away from him nothing will.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
22. You do know that Biden promised to release his medical records and he hasn't.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jan 2020

You worried about his integrity?

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
36. Please see post #35 nt
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:59 AM
Jan 2020
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
20. Takes me back...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:31 PM
Jan 2020
How Bernie Sanders Die-Hards Echo Clinton Conspiracy Theories (9/16/2016)

<snip>

"Some conservatives are hard at work spreading conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton’s health in an attempt to disqualify her from seeking higher office. Video footage of the Democratic nominee stumbling as she abruptly departed a 9/11 memorial on Sunday, combined with news that she had contracted pneumonia, has fueled rumors on the right that Clinton may be concealing a far worse medical condition. But it’s not just conservatives indulging in wild speculation. At least some die-hard supporters of Bernie Sanders are echoing, and in some cases amplifying, unproven claims that Clinton may be covering up serious health problems.

For a contingent of Sanders supporters who remain convinced the primary was rigged and distrust the media and the Democratic establishment, it isn’t much of a leap to believe Clinton has been dishonest about her health. Some have even raised the possibility that she’s gone to great lengths to conceal the truth: In a video posted to Facebook on Monday that has been viewed 11,000 times, Sanders supporter Adryenn Ashley suggests that Clinton may have used a body double after leaving the memorial to conceal health problems. “I think she’s way, way, way sicker than just pneumonia,” Ashley says in the video.

Speculation that Clinton has employed a body double to hide illness has spread on right-wing websites in the aftermath of her swift departure from the ceremony last weekend. The Clinton campaign dismissed the idea as an absurd conspiracy theory, but that won’t put an end to the rumor—or others like it—for anyone inclined to believe. “There is something the campaign is hiding,” Ashley, who identified herself as a progressive, told me in an e-mail. “They want to call any question of her health a conspiracy theory. It’s not a theory, it’s a fact.”

Such conspiracy theories are far more likely to originate in—and be spread by—conservative media and far-right corners of the Internet than in the Sanders crowd. High-profile Republicans have engaged in aggressive speculation about Clinton’s health in a way that has no equivalent on the political left. Republican nominee Donald Trump has implied that Clinton is not physically fit to serve as commander in chief. At an Ohio rally Wednesday night, he posed this question to the crowd: “I don’t know folks, do you think Hillary Clinton would be able to stand up here for an hour? I don’t know.” Television personality Sean Hannity has used his platform on Fox News to provide airtime to speculation over Clinton health problems.

Still, the tendency to raise vague questions—as well as make specific claims without concrete evidence—about Clinton’s health clearly exists across the political spectrum. Some disappointed Sanders supporters appear to be promoting full-fledged, unproven narratives about Clinton’s health, while others seem willing to believe a cover-up might exist, even if they don’t go so far as to articulate what Clinton might be covering up."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/clinton-health-conspiracy-pneumonia/500078/
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
26. Yeah I think it's about time Biden fulfilled his promise and finally releases his full medical
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jan 2020

records instead of a summary.

Wait. This is about Bernie? Wait. I'm in the Democratic Primary forum?

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
30. Biden released a much more detailed overview of his records. He also has not had a heart attack
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 05:13 PM
Jan 2020

while campaigning. The overview contained a thorough history, not just a recommendation.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
37. I thought you were leaving to go knock on doors etc.?
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:00 AM
Jan 2020
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booley

(3,855 posts)
38. reminds me of when Sanders said he would release his taxes
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:16 AM
Jan 2020

And there was all this 'Where are your takes Bernie? Where are your taxes?! He must be hiding something!!!!"

And then Sanders released his taxes and nothing more was said because there was nothing there.

I admit I might have paid more attention the first few times you guys predicted Sanders was imminently going to drop out because of some revelation. But when these predictions keep not panning out it's getting hard to take it seriously anymore.

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