Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumPolitiFact nails Sanders campaign's claim that Biden backed Paul Ryan on SS cuts as FALSE
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/That stems from a speech Biden gave in 2018 in which he spoke about Ryan. Biden appeared to be mocking Ryan, not praising him.
The Sanders campaign omitted what Biden said next: the importance of protecting Social Security and Medicare and to change the tax code, which he said benefitted the mega rich. Overall, the point of Bidens speech was to criticize tax cuts for the rich and call for more help to the middle class.
The Sanders campaign plucked out part of what Biden said but omitted the full context of his comments.
We rate this statement False.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eko
(7,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)this way...the wine cave thing was unfair in my opinion but not a lie. It did happen. I don't think it is a big deal to fund raise...candidates need money.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
My Pet Orangutan
(9,342 posts)complete with photographs.
The comeback - that Warren did closed door fundraisers was TRUE, but FALSE to omit that funds were for races against the GOP, not fellow Democrats. It was TRUE that Warren rolled over $10m from her Senate Campaign, but FALSE to compare that to presidential primaries where the biggest money donors get first hand input into next Administration policy, and historically trade ambassadorships, like the owner of the wine cave, Craig Hall, did for his wife Katheryn in 1997 after donating hundreds of thousands in 1996 (the situation before McCain Feingold).
Craig Hall is exactly the sort of billionaire who trades megabucks for influence. The scandal of deals done for him in 1988 forced then-House Speaker Jim Wright to resign.
Although political junkies know Pete was splurging on billionaire bashes, the public did not. After twitter dubbed him # Wine Cave Pete, his polling crashed, and has not recovered. The public has a right to know who is behind their favored candidates. Now they do. It has not hurt Joe, but Pete is presenting himself as a clean skin bringing a new kind of politics to Washington. In fact it was the same 'ol, same 'ol. If voters wanted a return to the status quo in Washington they would be voting for Joe, a man they can trust, as they are in droves, not some neophyte who is new to the influence game.
Totally justified, Totally effective, and totally TRUE. Not comparable to David Sirota's LIES.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)rich will run. But it is true in that you are correct
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)He's not doing the Sanders campaign any favors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,480 posts)and why he doesnt deserve to be the Democratic nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)"The Sanders campaign plucked out part of what Biden said but omitted the full context of his comments."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)He can sense that he's going nowhere. He is NOT going to be the nominee and he knows it. So he's pulling out all the insults/slander/lies he can to obscure that. Remind you of anyone else ?
Just more BS from BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... points building people up.
He needs better staff
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,179 posts)With apologies to Shakespeare.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The kind of people he's hired are the kind he's always hired. This is the real real Bernie Sanders.
Read about people who believe they're right about everything and that everyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong, and usually corrupt. That's Sanders' lifelong pattern, as is that being the only person who is right justifies whatever it takes to win, maybe an absolute duty.
Certainly if I believed "only he can fix it," I'd consider he had a duty to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)He's not going to be the Democratic (when he's running for Prez - only) version of Ron Paul and even if her were, Paul's influence diminished after each run. 2024 is probably out of the question if a Dem wins the White house. 2028 would make him 90 after the end of his first term.
Ultimately, the people that believe in him will have to find a new steward to lead their movement and I'm not sure some of his allies are going to wait their turn during a 3rd Sanders run if we don't win in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)of freezing spending on SS, Medicare and Medicaid - as well support of raising the retirement age for SS eligibility .The CSPAN video proves that to be a fact . Bernie Sanders has opposed this every step of the way ...Demonizing David Sirota won't alter the historical record . In 1995 , Biden addressed the Senate floor and bragged that he worked with the Senator from Iowa for a freeze in all federal spending .Joe is a fiscal conservative who supported the Balanced Budget Constitutional Amendment .He worked with Boehner and McConnell to achieve the so called Grand Bargain while he was Vice-President .It is a respectable position that he should own up to ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Thekaspervote
(32,813 posts)Instead of building coalitions & changing minds Bernie Sanders wasted decades praising brutal Communist & Socialist regimes: Cuba's Castro, the USSR's Gorbachev, Ortega of Nicaragua & Maduro.
A romanticized version of socialism that is false & dangerous!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)Joe is not a fiscal conservative...and none of what you describe would have even been considered if the left greens had not abandoned Obama 10...they gave the house to the GOP when they did this and nothing else was getting done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,608 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Support the real Democrats!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Progressive dog
(6,922 posts)should apologize immediately or withdraw.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
But it's such a gravy train for everyone involved that Sanders will keep going.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SunSeeker
(51,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,179 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)He can't abdicate responsibility for his campaign staff. Either he owns it, or he looks like he can't control his staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Southern Blueneck
(75 posts)I thought his registration remained (I), not (D).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,877 posts)believe that crap?
Thanks, hpd
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Southern Blueneck
(75 posts)Something about nobody ever going broke. . .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stargleamer
(1,992 posts)Link to tweet
". . . including Social Security. . . " Freezing Social Security it can be said would not bode well for those dependent on it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(59,493 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stargleamer
(1,992 posts)those are Biden's own words, not Sirota's. Talking about freezing these benefits that are so vital to those of us who are poor doesn't inspire confidence.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)at the time Sirota claimed...but decades earlier during the Reagan years and he never voted that way just said it He and Ted Kennedy don't have 100% from the RTA but 89% because they voted to increase the age you collect SS...was supposed to take us to 2047. But of course the GOP will always lie...During the Reagan years, Democrats had to play along or lose...hell GOP had the presidency for 12 years...and Clinton (with help from Perot) ended it...Clinton never had a majority either...not in 92 or 96. And without Clinton,the pugs would have had it for 16 years maybe more. Biden can be trusted with SS...the candidate I would worry about is Bloomberg. He could make deals with the GOP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rebl2
(13,579 posts)was better than this. This sounds like something a Republican would do. Shameful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)'purity' which might cause election losses, I draw the line at lying about Democratic opponents...or even lying about Republicans...or lying period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(59,493 posts)then theres no justification to stay in the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Bernie, he so honest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,725 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(297,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(59,493 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden