Democratic Primaries

George II

(67,782 posts) Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:11 PM Jan 2020

The latest BS from David Sirota. It just never stops:

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The latest BS from David Sirota. It just never stops: (Original Post) George II Jan 2020 OP

The last thing Bernie's people should be doing is bringing up welfare mothers LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #1

Bazinga! George II Jan 2020 #2

why? Kurt V. Jan 2020 #6

That's a good question. David__77 Jan 2020 #45

You honestly don't know? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #47

Straight from the GOP playbook. Make them scared and GemDigger Jan 2020 #19

I hardly see any difference in tactics between the Trump campaign and the one Sirota is running nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #27

Ouch! betsuni Jan 2020 #41

From the article: JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #3

Thanks. You only confirm that Sirota misrepresented what Biden said. I appreciate that! George II Jan 2020 #5

More from the article: JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #23

That's a mischaracterization of what Biden REALLY said, and only five words of a complete sentence.. George II Jan 2020 #36

This part. Eko Jan 2020 #8

The racist "stories" are ALL exaggerated, or just plain racist lies. JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #20

Cool, thats your opinion and its a fine one to have. Eko Jan 2020 #29

what do you make of this racist language buddy Otto Lidenbrock Jan 2020 #33

Thanks. That is exactly what this is here - a few words from one sentence, a few from another.... George II Jan 2020 #37

That quote is not bad at all. But you'd agree that David Sirota is a vile character NYMinute Jan 2020 #24

The more Sirota does this bullshit, the more it reminds me what he did to Hillary still_one Jan 2020 #4

Sirota is counting on either people not reading something besides the headline Eko Jan 2020 #7

Thankfully the only people that read that garbage from him are people who want to read it.... George II Jan 2020 #11

Spot on. And there are plenty of Bernie quotes to capture out of context that sound bad Otto Lidenbrock Jan 2020 #15

he's a bulldog. i can only think thats why sanders has him on the team. I'm not so Kurt V. Jan 2020 #9

Will Siorta support Trump evertonfc Jan 2020 #10

Depends upon whether Jill Stein announces. He voted for her in 2016. George II Jan 2020 #13

+++. Only one campaign would hire people who voted for Stein, and why I will not vote for that still_one Jan 2020 #14

That is the hump that is difficult, even as blm Jan 2020 #31

I agree. still_one Jan 2020 #42

. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #21

Joe ritapria Jan 2020 #12

This is all about Sirota falsely trashing Biden. But Biden has programs and policies... George II Jan 2020 #16

"we as a society have an obligation to help the less fortunate out of poverty through job training.. Cha Jan 2020 #17

+++ still_one Jan 2020 #18

Liberals know that is not his heart now. GOP base will hope it is. applegrove Jan 2020 #22

Disqualifying. jalan48 Jan 2020 #25

... LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #30

Not disqualifying because it's not true. George II Jan 2020 #34

Disqualifying...yeah, to Bernie! pfeiffer Jan 2020 #40

There's a funny post on another thread that says: LakeArenal Jan 2020 #43

Nothing new here crazytown Jan 2020 #26

The more this far left campaign and it's attack dogs strike the more erratic it becomes. Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #28

Pay no attention billpolonsky Jan 2020 #32

Sirota didn't write the article. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #35

Yeah... pfeiffer Jan 2020 #39

You know Bernie's internal polling must show him doing poorly... pfeiffer Jan 2020 #38

Well things from 8 years ago didn't work. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #44

But Cornel West said the revolution is "morally based, ethically based." betsuni Jan 2020 #46

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)

1. The last thing Bernie's people should be doing is bringing up welfare mothers

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:12 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

2. Bazinga!

Reply to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:15 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)

6. why?

Reply to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:19 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

David__77

(23,559 posts)

45. That's a good question.

Reply to Kurt V. (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:44 PM

Jan 2020

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)

47. You honestly don't know?

Reply to David__77 (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:50 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)

19. Straight from the GOP playbook. Make them scared and

Reply to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:31 PM

Jan 2020

they will vote for you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

27. I hardly see any difference in tactics between the Trump campaign and the one Sirota is running nt

Reply to GemDigger (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:36 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,714 posts)

41. Ouch!

Reply to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:59 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)

3. From the article:

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:15 PM

Jan 2020

snip

The Daily Beast first reported the comments, which surfaced from a column the leading 2020 Democratic presidential candidate wrote over three decades ago for the Newark Post.

"We are all too familiar with the stories of welfare mothers driving luxury cars and leading lifestyles that mirror the rich and famous," the column read. "Whether they are exaggerated or not, these stories underlie a broad social concern that the welfare system has broken down — that it only parcels out welfare checks and does nothing to help the poor find productive jobs."

snip

more from the August article at the link:

BusinessInsider

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

5. Thanks. You only confirm that Sirota misrepresented what Biden said. I appreciate that!

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:19 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)

23. More from the article:

Reply to George II (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:34 PM

Jan 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden warned of "welfare moms driving luxury cars" and leading wealthy lifestyles in a 1988 newspaper column to highlight Congress's success in passing a welfare reform package.

The Daily Beast first reported the comments, which surfaced from a column the leading 2020 Democratic presidential candidate wrote over three decades ago for the Newark Post.

snip

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

36. That's a mischaracterization of what Biden REALLY said, and only five words of a complete sentence..

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:51 PM

Jan 2020

...and way out of context.

One needs to know exactly what Biden REALLY said, the complete sentence:

"We are all too familiar with the stories of welfare mothers driving luxury cars and leading lifestyles that mirror the rich and famous."

STORIES! Then he goes on even more, with "Whether they are exaggerated or not...."

Then he went on further, which is not presented in the article. You're falling for Sirota's false representation of what he really said.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eko

(7,388 posts)

8. This part.

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:22 PM

Jan 2020

Whether they are exaggerated or not, these stories underlie a broad social concern
That changes the narrative doesn't it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)

20. The racist "stories" are ALL exaggerated, or just plain racist lies.

Reply to Eko (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:32 PM

Jan 2020

Joe should have made that clear when he used that very racist language, while making his point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Eko

(7,388 posts)

29. Cool, thats your opinion and its a fine one to have.

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:36 PM

Jan 2020

But that still changes the narrative that Biden warned about welfare mothers when he was instead warning about the broad social concern that the welfare system has broken down.
Thanks,
Eko

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)

33. what do you make of this racist language buddy

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:40 PM

Jan 2020

“For a hundred years, the white workers of the South were the most exploited white workers in America. They were paid the lowest wages, they endured the worst working conditions, their housing was abysmal, their kids went to the most backward schools, and very few could send their children to college. But what did they have? They were given ‘niggers’ to hate and look down on, ‘niggers’ who couldn’t vote, drink at their water fountains, use the same bathrooms, or sit up front in the buses or movie theaters.”

Bernie wrote that in 1997 and republished that book in 2015.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

37. Thanks. That is exactly what this is here - a few words from one sentence, a few from another....

Reply to Eko (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:53 PM

Jan 2020

...and stitched together they make Biden look like a monster.

It's filthy politics, and certainly not the politics that a "progressive" campaign should be engaging in.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

24. That quote is not bad at all. But you'd agree that David Sirota is a vile character

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:34 PM

Jan 2020

who cherry-picked a sentence out of context and purposely attacked with nefarious and pernicious intentions.

This does not help Bernie. Biden was a hand-picked VP by Barack Obama and thus thoroughly vetted by him. Barack Obama has a beloved, admired and exalted spot in Democrats' hearts and especially the African-American community.

It may also anger African Americans because it is portrayed that only African Americans are the recipients of welfare when statistics show that Whites outnumber African Americans by a few multiples when welfare recipients are tabulated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,479 posts)

4. The more Sirota does this bullshit, the more it reminds me what he did to Hillary

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:17 PM

Jan 2020

and the angrier I get

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Eko

(7,388 posts)

7. Sirota is counting on either people not reading something besides the headline

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:20 PM

Jan 2020

or not caring what the article actually says. In other words its propaganda pure and simple to a populist movement that will push facts aside if it has to achieve its goal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

11. Thankfully the only people that read that garbage from him are people who want to read it....

Reply to Eko (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:25 PM

Jan 2020

If you're on twitter and you question his BS, he instantly blocks you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)

15. Spot on. And there are plenty of Bernie quotes to capture out of context that sound bad

Reply to Eko (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:28 PM

Jan 2020

What's the context? Bernie Sanders was criticising the racist system of the time ... but the use of the n-word could easily be used against him because a) that book came out in 1997 and republished in 2015 and b) his use of the word was to explicitly describe a group of people

I don't believe any democrat has used it against Bernie. Only right-wingers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)

9. he's a bulldog. i can only think thats why sanders has him on the team. I'm not so

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:22 PM

Jan 2020

sure i agree but that's why.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)

10. Will Siorta support Trump

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:23 PM

Jan 2020

in the general?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

13. Depends upon whether Jill Stein announces. He voted for her in 2016.

Reply to evertonfc (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:26 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,479 posts)

14. +++. Only one campaign would hire people who voted for Stein, and why I will not vote for that

Reply to George II (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:27 PM

Jan 2020

candidate in the primaries

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

blm

(113,116 posts)

31. That is the hump that is difficult, even as

Reply to still_one (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:39 PM

Jan 2020

I know the general election D gets my vote. The primary is the vote I control.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,479 posts)

42. I agree.

Reply to blm (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:08 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)

21. .

Reply to evertonfc (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:32 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

ritapria

(1,812 posts)

12. Joe

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:26 PM

Jan 2020

needs to formulate a set of bold programs that, if enacted, will greatly improve the lives of the American people ….. He needs to focus on the bread and butter issues .. Stagnant Incomes and crushing Healthcare costs are eating people alive ….More than half of the Country is living paycheck to paycheck …..If he is the nominee and doesn't address these overarching problems , he will lose to Trump.... Trump is a far superior "entertainer" than Joe on the stump .. Hell have to win on the issues

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

16. This is all about Sirota falsely trashing Biden. But Biden has programs and policies...

Reply to ritapria (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:28 PM

Jan 2020

....that are attractive to the voters.

That's why he's leading in the polls in many states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,846 posts)

17. "we as a society have an obligation to help the less fortunate out of poverty through job training..

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:29 PM

Jan 2020

Biden campaign national press secretary Jamal Brown pointed out the caveat "Whether they are exaggerated or not," which leads the column. Brown suggests the then-Delaware senator had expressed some doubt the stereotype was true.

"As he wrote in 1988, we as a society have an obligation to help the less fortunate out of poverty through job training and educational and other opportunities," Brown told the Daily Beast.

Of course people are just going to read the headline instead of delving into the article.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

still_one

(92,479 posts)

18. +++

Reply to Cha (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:29 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

applegrove

(118,858 posts)

22. Liberals know that is not his heart now. GOP base will hope it is.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:33 PM

Jan 2020

_ _ chicken dinner!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jalan48

(13,905 posts)

25. Disqualifying.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:36 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)

30. ...

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:38 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

34. Not disqualifying because it's not true.

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:41 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pfeiffer

(280 posts)

40. Disqualifying...yeah, to Bernie!

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:56 PM

Jan 2020

Bawahahahahahaha!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,863 posts)

43. There's a funny post on another thread that says:

Reply to pfeiffer (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:18 PM

Jan 2020

Quit bashing Bernie!!!

I think that is a riot.
So precious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

crazytown

(7,277 posts)

26. Nothing new here

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:36 PM

Jan 2020

Bernie is blaming America’s poverty crisis on Hillary—for her husband’s welfare policy
https://qz.com/624013/bernie-is-blaming-americas-poverty-crisis-on-hillary-for-her-husbands-welfare-policy/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Thekaspervote

(32,813 posts)

28. The more this far left campaign and it's attack dogs strike the more erratic it becomes.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:36 PM

Jan 2020

Internal poll numbers must be dismal

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

billpolonsky

(270 posts)

32. Pay no attention

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:39 PM

Jan 2020

to the man behind the curtain....

quack quack quack

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,348 posts)

35. Sirota didn't write the article.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:45 PM

Jan 2020

Wow I had never read this story. Thanks for posting!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

pfeiffer

(280 posts)

39. Yeah...

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:54 PM

Jan 2020

none of us can remember reading this story, because it's from 30 years ago...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

pfeiffer

(280 posts)

38. You know Bernie's internal polling must show him doing poorly...

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 08:53 PM

Jan 2020

...because his campaign keeps referencing news articles from 30 years ago...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

LakeArenal

(28,863 posts)

44. Well things from 8 years ago didn't work.

Reply to pfeiffer (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:22 PM

Jan 2020

Things from ten years ago didn’t work.
Things from twenty years ago didn’t work
Now things from 30 years ago won’t work.
Before long we are going to find out Joe got a D on a report card in high school which probably won’t work either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,714 posts)

46. But Cornel West said the revolution is "morally based, ethically based."

Reply to George II (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 09:46 PM

Jan 2020

Why does the campaign .... oh, never mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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