"attack" Joe Biden?

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The Sirota "newsletter".. this Sirota..

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I speculate that you won't get a real answer because the real answer is too bitter to swallow even for the devotees who guzzle gallons of sweet communion daily.

Biden helped negotiate a deal that cut payments to Social Security and Medicare. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)

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It’s within our capacity to do so.

Just to make it perfectly clear that Prosper's OP is a blatant LIE. And that whoever's feeding it to him is LYING to him.

Prosper, if they're not telling you the truth, they're betraying you by turning your misplaced trust into a weapon used against you.

to reduce the budget deficit. Just google it. You can find as many sources as you want that say the same thing. Whether you can consider that “lauding Paul Ryan” - who cares? Don’t try to pretend this is a made up smear.

fucking FALSE. Perpetrated by that lying ****** david sirota

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[link:https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019/05/17/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-ti.aspx|
]https://gritpost.com/joe-biden-paul-ryan-correct/
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]https://over50finance.com/2019/05/17/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-times/

No matter how much you hate David Sirota, you're wrong about this.

& a BIG Reason we have the monster in the WH.

Here's some tweets SNEAKY sirotaa Deleted but they live forever.


"Here are links to the the International Business Times stories he was tweeting out and wanted voters to revisit the night before the 2016 election. "

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-economic-team-planned-secret-meeting-wall-street-mogul-pushing?utm_content=buffer2cf20&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/emails-show-clinton-foundation-donor-reached-out-hillary-clinton-arms-export-boost?utm_content=buffereb3c4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-said-outsourcing-benefited-america-after-she-criticized-bush?utm_content=buffer8b4c6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/state-department-blocks-release-hillary-clinton-era-tpp-emails-until-after?utm_content=buffera658a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-spotlighting-crisis-flint-michigan-voted-against-measure-prevent?utm_content=bufferc4ee4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-wall-street-promoted-commission-pushed-social?utm_content=buffer0cb0f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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I know since you're wrong you want to change the topic. I posted the video where Joe said Paul Ryan was right to propose cuts to entitlements himself. I don't care about David Sirota! If you're a deficit hawk and you think we need to make cuts to everything, that's OK. It's a valid opinion. But to just deny he ever said it is an insult to everyone on this board. People deserve to know he would be open to that.

Why so dishonest to only present the deliberately shortened version used by ratfucker Sirota? Do you wonder why your clip stops right at the time when Biden addresses the top 1%?
It was pointed out several times on DU how dishonest it is to treat a complex and important topic like this. Even in the short clip it's easy to detect the sarcasm.
Biden's point was that Ryan's and the Repub's tax cuts create deficits and so they turn to cut social programs to pay for it.
Biden clearly wants to save these programs.

Feel free to post it yourself. Have a good night both of you

And goodnight to you, too. Maybe I was too harsh in my response but I think if only 22 seconds of a speech is shown, we all have to be cautious because we know that there is always a context surrounding such a short clip that wasn't shown in this case.

I should really learn to stay off the Primary Discussions!

Sirota is a rat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_debt (citation number 4)

While for-profit colleges are scourges, it is very unlikely that the trillions of student loan debt came solely from for-profit colleges. It is far more likely that the debt also came from public and private universities where students either failed to obtain a degree or where the students enrolled in classes that have little practical use in the working world outside of academia. Some of that debt is also likely tied to post-grad universities.

FSU has over a billion dollar budget and here is what to expect:

“” average starting salary of graduates from Florida State University.

Average yearly cost $29,000
Average years to graduate 4.2
Average starting salary $36,000
The average cost for a degree at Florida State University comes out to about $123,000. If you make about $36,000 a year, it will take you 3.4 years following graduation to break even.””

And the above figures are from FSU

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/florida-state-university/outcomes/return-on-investment/

FSU says if you spend every penny you make for 3.4 years you will break even for your investment.

I say if a person makes $36,000 a year they will never break even.

And that is the average salary and that means there are people making less than $36000 a year. If a person gets a four year degree and makes less than $36000 a year they should get back every penny they spent on education.

I know too many students that graduated with mediocre grades and majors that aren't marketable. I expect that there aren't many job openings for people with degrees in Latin or French in Florida as an example.

When I worked with the state, I encountered someone with a MBA in marketing who could not design a simple survey form. Every response to the form she designed would have required paragraphs as an answer. The survey was going to be sent to hundreds of clients. How does someone compile all of those responses and summarize them in a meaningful manner? Does that employee deserve a guaranteed salary when she didn't learn what should be expected from someone with that degree?

I regret that there are people that racked up large student loans, but it's also important that students are practical and acquire skills that are useful outside academia. Receiving a college degree should mean more than receiving a participation trophy.

You know that and I know that and so do the originators of college student loans. Due diligence on part of the loan originators should have prevented students headed down a dead end degree path from getting a loan. A loan that you and I and the loan originators knew couldn’t be serviced by worthless degrees. Or as you paraphrased which is a neat wish I had said that “Attendance Degree”. That is why we are facing a possible loss of the election to possibly one of the worst people possible. The disregard of people in favor of profit is why Trump is president now. The degeneration of our system from stakeholder to shareholder rewards deceit for profit. College loans were awarded on less than NINJA qualifications. Should not have been, period. And that is just one of the many reasons we have a President Trump. The Trump University law suit was settled in favor of the students. That should be precedent for all worthless degree students to sue for all the money they spent on education.

and turns them into scapegoats.

I was fortunate to attend an expensive private liberal arts university entirely on scholarships without any student loans because I was near the top of my class in high school and ranked in the top 1% on every standardized exam in mathematics. When I arrived at college I immediately declared as a math major, but didn't have a clue what my minor would be. The natural inclination would have been to take computer science as a minor, but the math/computer science department was combined and students had to obtain a minor outside of the department to gain additional job skills. After my first year, I decided to double major with chemistry as my other field of study. However, by the middle of my junior year I had burnt out on college and dropped chemistry down to a minor instead. After I graduated, I was unable to find employment so I returned to a less prestigious state school to begin work on a teacher certification before I found work and withdrew at the Thanksgiving break. When I was an undergrad my GPA was slightly over a 3.0, but as a post-grad student I had a 4.0 GPA. I made the additional effort because I was paying my own way along with the fact that my course load was much simpler.

Most students enter college undecided as to their majors. I do believe that people have educational "spurts" when they are able to acquire knowledge more easily and other "spurts" when it is more difficult. There are numerous factors that serve as motivation for students to learn and financial responsibility is one of them. Otherwise, one of my friends who barely slipped by with slightly over a 2.0 GPA in his first year and withdrew from college for a year when he became a father wouldn't have returned back to school and go on to become a radiologist. It would have been very easy for the people that financed his education to give up on him based upon his initial lack of success as a college student. I certainly do not want to deny someone the opportunity to obtain an education based solely upon the fact that they entered college as an undecided.

I believe that most of the responsibility for success does belong to the student. I also believe that the academic counselors for those students do have the responsibility to ask the students what they intend to do after college to pay their debts and become successful. Let's face it, there are some students who do not belong in college and they should pursue vocational education instead. And as you have noted, nobody should be in a vocational program if there aren't any jobs available upon completion of those programs. However, it is the responsibility of the student to make that determination rather than falling for the scams of the unscrupulous or laying blame on the entities providing student loans. Those are some of the toughest lessons from the school of hard knocks.

and lives in a 1.9 million dollar house. Why pick on Bernie?

I think that Bernie is quite capable of enduring commentary on DU.

But do continue with the whataboutism.

Perhaps you don't?

win Virginia much less the rust belt.

If Sanders does win the rust belt, we should try to understand why. Not brush that off.

They many not even win Virginia, ideas won't matter if we lose to Trump.

who has lots of ideas, including a Public Option that he can get passed.

One is only a progressive if they make progress.

Talk is cheap.

bravo! talk is cheap and so are ideas

from a site on entrepreneurship...
"...ideas are cheap. The real challenge is innovation, bringing a great invention or idea to...fruition. It is the application of the idea that takes true genius, hard work, patience, timing, and often good luck and good connections..."

I suggest (right now) more people will work with Biden

it is a big diverse world out there and we need them to vote...

That is a lie being promoted by the Sanders campaign and its surrogates. Some people are easily sold on lies and fear.

"donald, you're a pathological liar! Can't you tell the truth for even 90 minutes?"

Because trump actually talked to them. These guys felt abandoned by the Democratic party. They felt abaonded by an economy that had passed them by. But Trump least spoke to them.

We can argue whether trump ever meant anything he said. Ok, we cant' argue that. He clearly didn't.

But I am thinking if fake empathy can work, maybe actual empathy can work even better.

I certainly think that has a better chance of getting rid of trump then putting in a centrist with no big ideas and a sense of entitlement that they are owed the vote.

At the very least I know all those centrists who have attacked Sanders (often for very silly things, like making 2 million from writing books someho puts him on the same level as a Jeff bezos) wil lbe parroting his policies as common sense in a few years.

radio and Fox News, never goes to Democratic town halls or meetings with candidates or rallies. The only things they know about Democrats are what they've been told second hand. It's all bullshit.

Clinton talked to them as if they were rational adults, they just didn't like what she told them. And they hopefully realized by now that she was right and Trump hasn't changed anything for the better for them. If they prefer the lies that might feel good but don't change anything about their future for the second time, then I don't think any of our candidates will be their choice.

I also have this feeling that people who think the Democratic party abandoned them are kind of insulted by the big tent and the diversity of the Dem's base. They want it to be catered for them and only them.

matter AT ALL - coal mines employ fewer people than Wendys. Coal miners are not a significant number of people and courting them is simply stupid.

b) voted for trump for any reason other than they live in insular, white, uneducated communities that are incubators for racism and sexism and trump made them feel like their racism and sexism is just fine.

I am sick to death of hearing about coal miners. I don't want to hear about them, any more than I want to hear about the buggy whip makers guild's ideas, or the whale oil lamp industry's ideas.

How about we look to the REAL forgotten worker: the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of mostly female retail workers who have lost their livelihoods?

The whole "coal miners" schtick is a canard. Let's be smarter than that this time.

Joe is the candidate for the working guy,Middle-Class Joe. He has made more money than Bernie.

He has touted himself as "Middle-Class Joe" for decades — but he and his wife, Jill, have a net worth of $9 million, according to a Forbes estimate from July 2019.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-net-worth-lifestyle-real-estate-family-wealth-assets-2020-1


Joe Biden has written two books over the past 11 years:

"Promises to Keep," released in 2008 right after his presidential run announcement, was Biden's first memoir. It did not sell well initially, but the New York Times reported book sales picked up after Biden was announced as Obama's running mate. In 2013, the United Press International reported the book was ultimately not lucrative — Biden's financial disclosures showed book royalties "close to zero."
"Promise me, Dad," released in 2017, is an account of Beau Biden's death from cancer. It topped the U.S. bestsellers list briefly after its release and has sold over 300,000 copies.
And then there's the money Biden has made off of promoting his 2017 bestseller, "Promise Me, Dad." According to Biden's recent financial disclosures, he was paid anywhere from $8,000 to $90,000 per single book-tour stop.

The book tour resulted in $1.8 million, according to Forbes. Public speaking engagements also contributed $2.4 million to the couple's net worth — and Jill's speaking fees tacked $700,000 on to that. CNBC reported that Biden took in as much as $190,000 in March 2018 for one lecture at Drew University in New Jersey.

In total, the couple earned more than $15 million, according to tax filings, from book royalties and speaking events and professor of practice fees provided by the University of Pennsylvania starting in 2017.

Good for you, Prosper, for calling for answers.

The Motley Fool
Joe Biden Has Called for Social Security Cuts 3 Times
Although Democrats have long favored raising revenue to fix Social Security, Biden has broken with his party on a few occasions.

https://www.fool.com/amp/retirement/2019/05/17/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-ti.aspx

to see what is behind that latest claim. "Biden called for Social Security Cuts" is for people whose attention span only lasts for a few seconds so they lap these soundbites up and believe they have a point.
2 of these 3 points address attemps to save the system instead of doing nothing and letting it die. The other claim of Biden "cutting" Social Security was the result of a tax cut.

It’s within our capacity to do so.’ ~Joe

You accidentally missed many honest reports while you were searching for something that would support your misconceptions, in this case BLATANT LIES from disreputable investment sharks.

I grabbed this, first one at the top of the screen. There are MANY others you missed.

How Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden plans to increase Social Security benefits
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/29/how-joe-biden-plans-to-increase-americas-social-security-benefits.html

Bernie's followers talk a lot about his persecution and things he "calls for" (note: "calling for" things doesn't actually do anything) but I seldom see things from Bernie's followers talking about what he actually DOES.

I have said it before: I'll happily vote for him if he's the candidate. But his followers, with their rampant persecution complexes, don't help his image.

It's ok if you're Bernie

It's like having a friend who constantly complains about their relationship; you've listened to hours of "I'm done, I'm not putting up with this, I'm leaving" and the next day it's as if nothing happened. Same conversation the next week, then weeks turn into months and months into years and then decades.

Sid

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Whenever there is a fact check with an outcome that doesn't go the way that Senator Sanders would like, Sanders and many of his supporters call it an "attack" by the "corporate owned media."

If that's the case, all candidates are "advancing into the sights of attackers."

Nice attempt at an evasion there, but you were talking about attacks.

underdogs everywhere. I have to concede, other candidates are boring by comparison. Whereas the others get the standard issue political bashing, Bernie gets victimized! By every one everywhere.

And rather than mere policy, Bernie offers to bring THE revolution.

Look I am all in if Bernie is the nominee. Just wish he would stick to advocating for his policies, let that stand on its own, and that supporters would speak to his merits without both candidate and supporters casting him as a martyred revolutionary before he’s even brought it. He has created a movement so far, which is commendable. Now he needs to win the nomination, fairly and squarely.
Drama won’t do it.

Because that's what I hear he is the "victim" of.

Yes, indeed, someone who insists that he is right about everything can be dramatically appealing to the emotions of many.

There are televangelists who truly believe that the crowds and money they attract are evidence that he is the very vessel of God's will on earth and can actually heal people with a touch. There are people with a dualistic world view who need an absolute infallible authority telling them that they are right, and they have a long awaited savior. They don't want to hear nuance, or that solutions to complex problems are complex and will take time. They want ANGER and BRIMSTONE and to be told of their unambiguous RIGHTEOUSNESS on , not a mamby pamby explanation of the realities of their situation. They want to be LIFTED from their ambigous reality, and that a strong man will FIGHT the DEMONS that are at fault for their condition.

Drama sells. Just look at Trump supporters...

One measure of a person’s fitness for the presidency is his or her ability to deal with criticism, media bad-mouthing or neglect, opponents’ bashing, effectively, without drama.