Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSo. A WOMAN. A FEMALE CAN'T WIN.
In a private meeting between Sanders and Warren he told her a woman can't win.
So sayeth Bernie.
Fugg that!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)However I just read a post that says he never said that.
My vote is with Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stellar
(5,644 posts)not just because I'm a Bernie supporter but that's not how he rolls. And most of Bernie supporter's second choice is Warren, why would she discourage them. Like me, his supporters are not buying this.
As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't be surprised if Trump wasn't behind it somehow. He's been firing shots after Bernie for a few days.
Besides what has Bernie to gain if it's true? Warren supporter would hate him and possibly wouldn't vote for Bernie and if this hurts Bernie his supporters would hate Warren and not vote for her. Trump wins again?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)I will leave the rest alone because of that.
Hugs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stellar
(5,644 posts)I didn't think you would remember me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,531 posts)If she was saying Biden told her that youd have no trouble believing it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)after it happened in 2018?
What would she have to gain by doing that?
What would Bernie have to gain by denying it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,179 posts)Bernie spouts off and it's all about him so I can certainly see him saying that to her to try & make her back off and just support him.
I have never seen Bernie take responsibility for anything negative and he isn't starting now either. Liz has nothing to gain from this & everything to lose so I totally believe her. How could trump be behind this recollection of something that happened a year ago? I don't understand?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)But then wouldn't discuss the conversation. Bernie is on record saying a woman can absolutely win the Presidency.
I'm seeing a lot of people turn against Warren over this claiming she's lying.
Regardless, Dems need to stop bickering with each other. It's just going to increase Trump's chances, which are already way higher than they should be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)that a woman will have a harder time against Trump and I agree with that in some respects. But for sure either Bernie or Liz can take Trump out. Liz doesn't tolerate fools and that's Trump, a big old fool.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marble falls
(57,397 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marble falls
(57,397 posts)Link to tweet
NEW statement from Elizabeth Warren on her meeting with Bernie Sanders: Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate. I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.
4:33 PM - 13 Jan 2020
72 replies 86 retweets 164 likes
Her complete statement is at the link. I'm not knocking Berni, but he is wrong about this. Hillary Clinton won by 3,000,000 votes. Its his opinion and its honest, but he wrong.
If Bernie gets the nod I will support him but at this point in my hierarchy, Warren is above Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
53. I have a feeling it was a friendly conversation and they just disagreed on that.
You have a feeling?
So it did not happen the way my senator called it. Hm.
A simple friendly conversation that she is now being called a liar for?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)any woman he had that disagreement with from running if she was less confident or more dependent on his approval than Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)If a woman's confident enough to run for president, or any office for that matter, no one can succeed in discouraging her. Does it bother you that she considers him a friend?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Must be pretty disturbing....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This really is getting under your skin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
unblock
(52,399 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)I have met her, my Senator. She is uplifting and positive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
unblock
(52,399 posts)before she even considered being a politician.
that was a holy sh*t moment for me, like seeing obama speak at the convention in 2004.
i fell in love then and there. i had no idea she would actually become a politician, i just knew i wish she would....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,998 posts)She is a threat now and he cant handle it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)She is a threat. Sad...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)They both think there is still too much mysogny across the board (white, black, Hispanic, working class, middle class).
I don't think it should stop Democrats from picking a woman if she is the best candidate, but Bernie is not alone in having those concerns and I don't see expressing his concerns (in private no less) as being anti-woman anymore than people who might have concerns about Bernie's or Biden's age as being driven by ageism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LisaM
(27,847 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)The supposed leak is coming from Warren's people, and it was not like Bernie was saying it in a campaign rally.
If anything, this may backfire on Warren and make it an issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demosincebirth
(12,549 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,463 posts)who think skin colour or one's set of reproductive organs have anything to do with the competency needed to return the USA back to the path of sanity.
Those who believe that are stupid, or just Trolling the rest of us. Or throwing in some distractions. Or all of those.
AND I'm voting for Michelle Obama! Suck on that, haters! lol
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Her name : Elizabeth Warren . Think of all of the guys he could have urged to run for President in 2015 ? ..Yet he asked a Lady to run for the Highest Office in the Land ...Yet we are supposed to believe Bernie doesn't believe a woman can get elected President .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)...when she would be a direct threat to him.
And he then told her that a woman couldn't win, presumably to influence her to stay out of the race.
One might call that, I don't know
deplorable?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)Step out of the way. Playing through.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)Before it became clear that enough Americans in enough swing states would choose a racist, bat-shit crazy billionaire with no experience over a highly qualified woman who, according to one of the pundits on MSNBC, men don't like because she "reminds them of their nagging wives." Sadly, Bernie's probably not wrong, as sickening as it is. I believe Elizabeth Warren that he said it, although if it was a private conversation it was inappropriate for her to make it public.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)She confirmed a story that was already out there. Not what you are stating.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287421151#post16
"Sadly, Bernie's probably not wrong, as sickening as it is. I believe Elizabeth Warren that he said it, although if it was a private conversation it was inappropriate for her to make it public."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)My point was that his opinion about whether America is too sexist to elect a woman president might have changed between 2015 and 2018.
I am assuming someone from Warren's campaign must have put this out there, because who else would have been privy to it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)He said it wasn't true and Warren said it is true...not a good look.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I don't think that all politicians give a job to all their close friends and family on their campaign...
Just an FYI - she wasn't campaigning in December 2018. Neither was Bernie.
Why do you think that she would lie about what he said to friends back in 2018, then lie again about her campaign not being the one to leak this in 2020?
What reason would she have to do this?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,371 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)But I could be wrong. I knew it was during one of the primaries but couldn't remember which one. I didn't support Hillary in the primaries either time but I remember being appalled by that remark. It's amazing how much blatant sexism there is in the media when covering female candidates. I even thought Sarah Palin was a victim of sexist coverage, much as I don't like her. Why did the media spend over a week talking about the cost of her clothes without ever talking about how much the suits Obama and McCain wore cost?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PS. Elizabeth Warren, my Senator confirms the conversation.
Do you doubt her word?
2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say
Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.
The description of that meeting is based on the accounts of four people: two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting.
After publication of this story, Warren herself backed up this account of the meeting, saying in part in a statement Monday, "I thought a woman could win; he disagreed."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html
They are not friends. Friendly because she has a lot of class. Friends, not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)My point was that he might have encouraged Elizabeth Warren to run in 2015 but become doubtful about whether a woman could win after 2016, when a racist with no experience beat out a highly qualified woman who deserved to win. Of course, I think Bernie himself bears some responsibility for 2016, which is why I can't support him in the primaries again. He should have conceded earlier and done more to counteract the widespread misperception among many of his supporters that he was the rightful winner of the primary and Hillary was only nominated because of the superdelegates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)She won by the millions.
Also read the Mueller report.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)I think she was the victim of Russian hacks, a media that was both sexist and trying too hard to appear balanced to both sides at a time when balance for balance's sake was inappropriate, and a highly inappropriate FBI press conference days before the election, but to me stolen means that votes were actually tallied for the wrong candidate, and unlike in 2000 that does not seem to have happened. I also think Hillary made some key mistakes in terms of which states to target. But when I campaigned for her in Pennsylvania the week before the election, I met several people who said they were voting for Jill Stein and who legitimately believed that Bernie had won more votes in the primary and the superdelegates overturned the will of the voters. Even my sister-in-law, who is highly educated and usually well informed, believed that nonsense. Of course, with the people I met I explained that Hillary actually got more votes in the primaries, and I told them I supported Bernie in the primaries too but Hillary won and beating Trump was the most important thing, but I couldn't believe how many people were under misconceptions about that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)total - perhaps even surpassing Obama - of the number of GE votes.
Your friends who thought that the superdelegates were the reason that Hillary won aren't very good at math.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Shes a politician. Lying to get a tactical advantage is the job description.
I also doubt Bernies account.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)None of it ever happened?
Alrighty then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Your point would stand if I had said I disbelieve both of them. But I didnt. I simply did not affirm either statement as true. There is no criterion to decide.
Doubt is not disbelief.
You are welcome to try again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)I will try again.
60. Of course I doubt her word.
Shes a politician. Lying to get a tactical advantage is the job description.
Love the description of Warren:
Of course I doubt her word.
Shes a politician.
Lying to get a tactical advantage is the job description.
You doubt his account yet not his word.
He to is a politician.
Yet you never called Bernie a liar to get tactical advantage, yet that is what you said of Warren.
Sorry. You can't have it both ways,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)be a "tactical advantage?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,575 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)WTAF?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SmallDonor
(30 posts)What is going on inside the beltway....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)No matter his supposed surge.
I agree there is something fishy going on and it is not from the Warren campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,059 posts)reincarnation of Jesus and Byron. Both.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,424 posts)I 3 million+ votes. Sanders is full of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Thank you for this fact
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,179 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)I love Biden as well. Just for Warren for now.
I will be going for the winner. D always.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,877 posts)Link to tweet
I trust EW on this...
@sppeoples
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@AP
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Joined November 2009
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https://twitter.com/sppeoples
Will it come up at the debate?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)Sooooo,
So. Who is that unnamed Senior Advisor? It is either Nina, Bri or David. Those are his seniors. Plus the only attacks I have seen are on Warren and Biden...the Real FRONT RUNNERS. Bernie has yet to make it to the front.
Elizabeth does not lie. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,877 posts)are..
This is what David Sirota is spreading on twitter:
He's repeating misleading truncated quotes of Joe Biden AND circulating a graphic calling Biden "blue trump".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646
Link to tweet
The BS campaign obviously doesn't feel they can win without these kinds of "attacks".. pity.
David Sirota's history: "From a Bogus Website to Bernie Sanders's Inner Circle"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1287&pid=414915and how they pushed jill stein's lies against Hillary.
And, ds had his own Lies goin' on.. deleted tweets the night before the General Election..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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GP6971
(31,226 posts)You appear to have too much time on your hands.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)62. huh
By my calculations, you've posted here every ~40 minutes for the last ~18 years. It that even physically possible? jest sayin'
Even in my most rabid FB dreams I couldn't sustain such a rate!
Woman can walk, talk, vote, persist, resist, cook, work, birth, breastfeed and advocate for the rights of women and all Americans. We can do it while dancing backwards on heels and without one miss step.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)I don't get it.
Two posts.
You actually checked their profile for the number of years they have been here. Then looked at the number of posts they have made took out your calculator and calculated that they made posts every 40 minutes for the last 18 years.
Yikes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)However if, say, I calculated and posted it (when people mostly know me) I'd suppose it would seem a lot less random
Esp. considering I can be a pretty random dude.
Not in the league of LuckyCharms or Nikon, but ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....elsewhere: "he literally visited over 40,000 households" when he ran for Mayor of Burlington way back in the 1970s.
At that time there were less than 35,000 PEOPLE, not households, in Burlington!
So, to quote you, "It that even physically possible?" jest sayin'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,397 posts)two manifestations, two votes - etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,877 posts)Mahalo, George.. smh. lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So difficult for some.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,397 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)You have almost 27K posts. I am far to lazy to look at your profile, late on EST.
I am calling you out for posting far to many days a week for far to many weeks out of the year. JUST STOP!!!
Luv ya~
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,397 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,397 posts)not really - I am protected health wise by one of the largest socialistic healthcare systems in the world - the VA.
The funny part is I am posting less than I useta.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,463 posts)really, really needs to give some intelligent reasons.
I'd like to know why a woman couldn't win. After all, Hillary won. And not because, or despite, being female, either.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MerryBlooms
(11,773 posts)If Warren is the nominee, we'll lose by 45 states... Back slap, agree, agree, bazinga, ad nauseum. Don't forget the most recent, "A vote for Warren is a vote for Sanders!", campaign. I believe Warren Can win. I am firmly in her corner right now, and unless something weird happens during the last debate, she's my primary choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,463 posts)That's pure supposition.
It's also a circular argument.
Female, will produce massive losses. Massive losses because female. Going around in a circle.
Therefore, female = disadvantage.
The reasons why female = disadvantage aren't given.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MerryBlooms
(11,773 posts)those claims here daily. If you've been here longer than five minutes, you'll figure out who they are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rollerman
(42 posts)Shed make a great President. Its obvious that Sanders and Warrens strength is freaking out the MSM. Theyll stir up any controversy, real or made-up, to take them both down.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)That is not what I have been reading. They are not talking about Warren.
I know one poster here that speaks of the 45 states we would lose, they aren't talking about Warren. You know they are not. They are talking about Sanders, yet you know that.
"Back slap, agree, agree, bazinga, ad nauseum."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MerryBlooms
(11,773 posts)and have to take care of my sister, but I can easily find posts about Warren losing us 45 states and the agreeing comments. I don't want Sanders anywhere near our top tier, and I think he will be out mid primary. We all will vote blue no matter who, but I hate the poisoning of the well that's been going on. The latest crap from the Sanders' surrogates was despicable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)Try to relax and take a deep breath. I have been doing 24/7 mom care for two straight years. It is a killer.
Best to you and your sister.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)A woman can most definitely win. That's my 2 cents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,585 posts)And the same misogyny is once again rearing its ugly head.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Darkhawk32
(2,100 posts)Now that she's dropping significantly in the polls, she's looking for a VP deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)You know nothing about my Senator. She accomplished more before she ever ran for her senate seat. She accomplished more, the CFPB long before she became senator.
She is not going to run a second seat. She will go back to be our Senior Senator from MA .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Darkhawk32
(2,100 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)My Senator will not take a second seat. She has far to much in her to do that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and Tulsi is the darling of the Bernie or Bust crowd.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)to me, make Sanders seem like he's getting desperate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Darkhawk32
(2,100 posts)Please explain that one to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)Still means 75% of Dems want almost anyone else
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)Fact is he should be way ahead of Warren if the same complaints are true from past runs. He now has name recognition. He has been running for President for six years now, never stopped. Warren is a newbie with only a few years in the senate yet they are neck and neck.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,243 posts)i will not donate to BS
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Period!
Shame on you for posting that!
And she is NOT looking for a VP deal with ANY other candidate. She is running for President ... and for that position ONLY.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,463 posts)the world needs a clear message it's NOT business as usual, after the next election.
America has tried the 'Old Walking-Dead Rich Guy as President' and come up horribly short.
What would send an clearer message than electing a female, young, empathetic leader to the White House?
Throw in a few other characteristics, like care for people rather than corporations, concern for Global Warming and the Environment, antithesis to overseas wars, and the World will beat a path to America's front door to shake hands and say "Well Done! Welcome back!"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)HRC beat tRump! Something about opinions and assholes?
This time I believe we need Biden's honesty and appeal to rebuild the world relations.
IMO
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)So, you can be the President, I'd rather be the Pope,
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)At all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,905 posts)next few months and he could be proven wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,479 posts)someone appears not to be doing as well as someone else because they are a woman is NOT a valid ASSUMPTION. It is a strawman argument, that feeds into the discrimination against women
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,397 posts)said that. SHAME on him.
Hillary Clinton won, dammit. By 3,000,000 votes fer Petes sakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OMGWTF
(3,980 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)shoving his hand and bony finger in their faces and gets aggressive when they try to stop him
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Precisely
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And if we had a different BS response last time we would have carried WI and MI in the electoral college.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Oh, so much this!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hulk
(6,699 posts)How about we not get upset by every rumor or every flub that comes out of our candidates mouths. Yes....the way it is portrayed, it sounds insulting. Is that REALLY what he said?...there was no further context that might explain what he meant?
There are bigger fish to fry. I'm not writing off any candidates over such trivial garbage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,479 posts)also the judgement of a self-identified progressive candidate to assume that a "woman cannot win the presidency"
As many have said throughout this process, "it is part of the vetting process"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,759 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:20 AM - Edit history (1)
Stirring the pot
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)it is SO true. The elder men I am around won't even get the fuck up and get their own iced tea. Newer generation good!
What I have observed since living here...the #1 focus of prejudice is women, second foreigners, then Mexicans then blacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaMama
(23,364 posts)running for president even hinted that a woman couldnt win. That would be the end if him. WTAF? This isnt okay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)read this on twitter today...
Grrrrr
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
xyoungblood
(36 posts)and Sanders campaigns. I don't care which Democratic candidate gets the nomination. I am here to win. We need to retake the Senate and the presidency, we cannot allow Trump to seat another supreme court judge to continue to create havoc in the world for another four years. It would be great if either Sanders or Warren won the nomination and made the other their VP choice, we would kick Trump's ass for sure.
We have to be in this thing to win if we lose it will be a green light to the Republican party to continue their destruction except it will be 10x more ruthless. We need to end this era of "crisis" democracy and focus on winning elections for the next 50 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,243 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Senator Warren is a believer of Corporation or that's what she has said in the past.
But I wonder why Bernie tried to encourage her to run for President in 2016 but Warren would not go up against Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)make this up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,724 posts)progressive economic policies, are the "I'm not Trump, vote for me" party.
"It's not good enough to say, 'Hey, I'm a Latina, vote for me.' That is not good enough. I have to know whether that Latina is going to stand up for the working class, and is going to take on big money interests. ... It is not good enough to have someone say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me!' ... In other words, one of the struggles you're going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics. ... The working class in this country is being decimated. That's why Trump won."
Of course this is incorrect. The only one running on "Hey, I'm a woman, vote for me" was Sarah Palin. In the last election people with the least amount of money voted for the Democrat. Trump voters did not do so because of economics, he won because he made race and immigration and gender central issues. Hillary didn't do that. Elizabeth Warren isn't running on being a woman. Trump won white voters of all classes. I don't know who this "disaffected working class" is.
The idea that people voted for Trump because Democrats don't care about working and middle class people? Then why, after three years of Trump obviously not giving a shit about anybody but the 1%, is his approval rate among his voters still high? Because they only watch Fox News and listen to right-wing radio.
Bernie: "You know why Donald Trump was elected president? One of the reason he was elected president is people turn on the TV and nobody is talking about the lives of working class people ... ." If they turned off Fox and actually looked at Democratic Party policies, they would know who is talking about the lives of working class people. They never heard Hillary, mainstream media spent only 10% of their time on policy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Something along the lines of 'it's ludicrous to believe I'd have said such a thing'.
Kinda weasel words, but hey ... so was 'I didn't have sexual relations with that woman'.
I will say, however, I'd be pretty surprised if we won 2020 against Trump ... if we choose either of the currently-running female candidates.
Another election, a different candidate ... ask me then. Someone other than Liz or Amy? Ask me when it happens.
To be clear, I'd LOVE a female POTUS, and I think Liz or Amy or Hillary or lots of other women would do a better job than the vast majority of males.
But ... these choices, in this election? I'm not seeing it happening. Sorry ... Just call it like I see it. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.
BTW, I'm sorry but saying Hillary 'won' is like saying a baseball game was won by the team who's pitcher(s) threw more strikes instead of how many runs were scored. Just like the Saints didn't beat the Rams in the NFCC game last year, even though the refs cheated them, hardcore.
I'd say she proved a woman COULD win ... but that doesn't mean she actually won.
Lastly, literally hundreds of public figures have openly questioned whether 'a woman could win POTUS' over damn near my entire life. And MANY MANY MANY of them have, over those years, through whatever passed for their own 'objective analysis' ... have publicly said 'Uh, I don't think so'. Some of them were even ... ya know, Women.
So why is it so ZOMFG SHOCKING!!?!! that Bernie came up with that assessment in a private convo?
I think you kinda have to already hate Bernie to flip out about this ... JMHO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)We need to beat Trump, so even if Bernie goes scorched on Democrats again. Tou will need to enthusiastically support Bernie after Bernie goes out of his way to destroy Warren's reputation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Bernie Sanders said in the 1980s that a woman could be elected president.
Link to tweet
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In 2016, he did 41 events for Hillary Clinton because he thought a woman could win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)Because he talked about a hypothetical in 1980, it means it's impossible for him to say the opposite almost 40 years later to get a potential opponent out of the way?
To claim Warren lied based on that clip is beyond ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)If he didnt think she could win, he could have just done event to show support.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,724 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Warren was referring to.
She was referring to a conversation that the two of them had together in 2018.
For you to say unequivocally that she is lying, you would have had to have been present during that conversation.
As another poster has pointed out, your argument is also a fallacy. You point to speeches and behavior in the 1980s.
What Bernie FINALLY did WAY after the Dem Convention in 2016 (and it would be nice to have a link to the 41 events you allege), does not mitigate his atrocious behavior in dragging the fight to the Dem Convention in 2016 when it was clear to anyone sane that Hillary had won the largest number of delegates. All that did was to encourage the atrocious behavior of his surrogates and "Bernie Bros" who kept painting HRC as worse than Trump.
Bernie's response to that atrocious behavior then: *crickets*
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)LOVE seeing you around here!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,531 posts)And its not a good look. Its a myth that only those on the right are sexist.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)Riot Woman certainly nailed it there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to paraphrase a certain "amendment king."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,478 posts)I'm no super-Bernie fan, but his words are getting a bit distorted into a "Bernie is anti-woman!" thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They hadn't even announced....
Did you even read what was said and by whom?
The conversation they had was in December 2018, and she told people THEN about what he said.
What reason do you think that she would tell people, after the conversation in December 2018, the he said that if he had not?
It was leaked this week, by someone that she told then, in December 2018....
Are you clear on things now?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)It doesn't make any sense, and it was leaked this week by her campaign, even Nate Silver believes that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But, I don't derail easily, as you should know.
Again....Why would she tell people he said this right after her conversation with him in December 2018 when neither had announced?
Is answering that uncomfortable for you?
And what evidence do you have that she is lying about her campaign, and by definition, with her support, leaked it?
Other than wishful thinking, that is.
Now, your question about wny Bernie would change his mind about telling her to run has been answered many times on DU - Warren running for POTUS would not have been a real challenge to HIM in 2015. Three years passed. Even Bernie must be capable of chanding his mind, despite what many here say about him. As an example - his 2106 proposal for MFA promised it could be done in 8 years, now this year, when there were other single payer options by other candidates, he suddenly claimed that it was possible in a mere TWO years.
Interestingly, the last time I saw this kind of excoriation of Warren by Sanders supporters (many who were talking about her being his running mate) was when she endorsed HRC after the nomination, saying that she had betrayed progressives and progressive ideals by endorsing Bernie's opponent. Sadly familiar...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm not surprised....
I find her to be far, far more credible, especially when you look at their histories. However she committed the sin of running and not simply staying out and endorsing the favorite of many.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,979 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Truth Arbiter!
Your standards seem quite ... low.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)There might be more to it than that and it seems that Elizabeth and Bernie might have different versions of what was really said.
Myself, I think it's much ado about nothing. And as often happens in campaigns, some partisans will grasp at any straw in an attempt to discredit a political opponent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
joeaddison
(17 posts)That's not true. Warren said he said it. There were only 2 people in the room, and Bernie says he didn't say it. The media took her side automatically, completely ignoring his denial. Moreover, this was about something that supposedly happened 2 years ago and she pulled it right before the debate. I don't believe her for a second. Especially considering the Bernie encouraged her to run in 2015 and campaigned for Hillary even AFTER Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary against him.
This was just Warren using identity politics in a cheap attempt to get a bump in the polls and drag Bernie down.
My first choice is Tulsi Gabbard. Bernie is my second choice. I HAD planned to support Warren, should it fall to her, but now I no longer trust her. Warren started this, not Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided