what they do.

What a bunch of malarky he has fabricated.

That’s the argument of a ten year old.

... but watch what his surrogates and staffers say. An he neither stops nor reprimands them.

Watch what he does, not what he says.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did you know you can ask <a href="https://twitter.com/ewarren?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ewarren</a> for a refund if you donated through ActBlue?<br><br>Team Warren launched the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RefundPete?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RefundPete</a> campaign, and I think we should try something similar.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RefundWarren?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RefundWarren</a><a href="https://t.co/FB3JZX95bO">https://t.co/FB3JZX95bO</a></p>— NY For Sanders #Bernie2020 (@NYforSanders) <a href="

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNR8rV_Tc0ra_3OfuMnK0iZZdsr9xA%3A1578979268386&source=hp&ei=xE8dXu6GFYr5tAbGz6PQAQ&q=Sanders+supporters+on+Twitter+are+telling+people+to+demand+refunds+from+ActBlue+for+Warren+donations&oq=Sanders+supporters+on+Twitter+are+telling+people+to+demand+refunds+from+ActBlue+for+Warren+donations&gs_l=psy-ab.3...623.623..886...1.0..0.98.98.1......0....2j1..gws-wiz.M0Rjxi86q2Y&ved=0ahUKEwju-JaTrILnAhWKPM0KHcbnCBoQ4dUDCAg&uact=5

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23refundwarren&src=typd



And for the previous #RefundPete crusade against Buttigieg by some progressives, which I edited the OP to mention after finding out that had happened last month:


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23refundpete&src=typd

Yes, that is what came up in the search which I linked to so everyone could see exactly what came up. Do you have a problem with that?

See link however at the time I googled last night there wasn't much. A lot more now: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNR8rV_Tc0ra_3OfuMnK0iZZdsr9xA%3A1578979268386&source=hp&ei=xE8dXu6GFYr5tAbGz6PQAQ&q=Sanders+supporters+on+Twitter+are+telling+people+to+demand+refunds+from+ActBlue+for+Warren+donations&oq=Sanders+supporters+on+Twitter+are+telling+people+to+demand+refunds+from+ActBlue+for+Warren+donations&gs_l=psy-ab.3...623.623..886...1.0..0.98.98.1......0....2j1..gws-wiz.M0Rjxi86q2Y&ved=0ahUKEwju-JaTrILnAhWKPM0KHcbnCBoQ4dUDCAg&uact=5

I’ve always liked both Sanders and Warren, but I believe her on this, and it’s... disappointing to say the least if Sanders said that.

will be backing Biden if she is eliminated.

Time for this song again...

ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

I'm sure there may some real supporters who might tweet stuff like this, but I'll bet most of it comes from trolls trying to divide Democrats.

edited OP, after I learned this nasty tactic was used against Pete Buttigieg previously, you'll see that BoldProgressives.org aka the Progressive Change Campaign Committee pushed the #RefundPete hashtag when both Sanders and Warren supporters were going after Buttigieg.

I usually just search Twitter for news and tweets about Biden, and I didn't know this tactic was being used till tonight.

Still I think trolls keep this stuff moving.

I hate Twitter. I know people who have become obsessed with it, especially during election season. I only go there when someone posts a tweet I'm interested in. If one spends a little time over there and reads the comments, it sure makes DU Primaries Forum seem like a very pleasant place!

I'm a Senator Sanders supporter, but I wouldn't support this kind of nonsense. However, I can easily see a troll starting such a thing just to ramp the hatred.

It certainly doesn't reflect the Bernie supporters I know, but I am sure there are people who claim to be Bernie supporters that aren't.

What we need to see is candidates condemning this sort of thing and disavowing anyone involved.

That would be the sort of thing one would expect from a president. How candidates behave during a campaign often can reflect the type of president they might be. This is terribly disappointing.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=421685

If it was someone here for years maybe.

has been here since last April, but that is the 2nd anti Warren post I saw from the poster tonight. I responded to the other one, which apparently it has been removed already.

post such bigotry on this platform, and no one addresses it.

Anti-Bernie Democrats are displaying a level of cognitive dissonance and/or willful ignorance I've not seen before outside of the Republican Party. (Do I smell a stench of neoliberalism?) What is it about Bernie that you hate so much--and, do you realize that hating someone is like drinking poison and waiting for the target of your hate to die? What, specifically, causes you to indulge in othering, and represent a massive and diverse group as homogeneous?

And, can you not see that--just as in 2016--the anti-Bernie propaganda is ramping up, the more popular he gets? How absurd is it to believe Bernie Sanders would say a woman cannot win, when he has consistently adjured that a woman can (and should) run for POTUS? And how ridiculous is it to aver that Bernie supporters are leading an initiative to get refunds for their "Warren donations." Wow, that's incredible. Most of Bernie's supporters are the working class (I am one) and rarely have discretionary funds to contribute to politicians. Bernie is the only politician I've ever given a donation (hey, maybe I should compel the DNC to return my Bernie donations from 2016?). No, really, LAZD, that is incredibly disingenuous.

"Vetting" and promoting the "not Bernie" candidates is incredibly myopic of Establishment Democrats, who seem intent on ignoring the fact that the majority of the entire electorate (regardless of party affiliation) supports every single one of Bernie's initiatives.What a coup that would be for the Democratic Party--bringing Progressives and Independents and others into the fold.

Have the die-hard anti-Bernie Democrats embraced the faux patriotism Johnson decried over 200 years ago? For filthy lucre?

If the Democrats were to get behind Bernie, and make his initiatives their platform, the Democratic Party could gain new members (we Progressives and Independents might find your party more amenable) and the Party would be unstoppable--all while returning the Party to its working class roots. Plus, the corporate megalomaniacs would no longer be able to distort our economy to benefit ONLY themselves (and a few of their sycophants)--which they continue to do with the blessings of both parties and with total disregard for the exponentially increasing destruction of our vital ecosystems --likely insuring and accelerating our species' extinction event.

The Democratic Socialism we Progressives support is THE economic behavior that can rein in the corporate oligarchs who are pathologically hoarding wealth. This will also end all our resource-theft aggressions worldwide. This will also end the hedonistic gravy train that career politicians (in both parties) have used to become wealthy.

Democratic socialism will redistribute our tax revenue to benefit the majority of us, rather than a tiny fraction (4.6 X 10^[-8]%) of old (mostly white) men who own and control the majority of the planet's resources, including human resources. We must address the radical income inequality that is enabling these corporate megalomaniacs to destroy our ecosystem and our species.

Bernie Sanders gets this, and you should, too... VISCERALLY.

#Bernie2020

Darius Khalil Gordon, Simone Zimmerman, Matt Orfalea, Linda Sarsour, Nina Turner, Briahna Joy Grey, Cenk Uygur, David Sirota.

A man is known by the company he keeps, and it's not bigotry to call him out for it.

If you're suggesting there's something heinous about any of these individuals, providing resources that support your disingenuous assertion would strengthen your allegation. but... I digress.

Offering up fallacious arguments, LAZD? Is that your pathetic reason for opposing Bernie?

In this era of instant access to terabytes of data, it is incumbent upon all of us to do the research necessary to be fully informed voters. I'm discovering that part of the fallout from our co-opted (since the 60s) system of public education (that stunts critical thinking skills by design and renders the vast majority of us (84%) fearful of math and incapable of discerning the validity of polls, statistics and meta-analyses) is a population that eschews research--well, reading, especially non-fiction. This, with the team sports approach adopted by members of both parties, makes it easy for the obscenely wealthy megalomaniacs to keep us divided and divisive.

It's the only thing I can think of that motivates some of us to cut off our noses to spite our faces in denigrating Bernie Sanders. As I've said many times, and as you can easily research yourself, Bernie's initiatives are supported by the majority of the electorate, regardless of party affiliation. Also, except for a number of Democrats determined to denigrate and reject him. Why? Because Bernie, by vowing to end their gravy train, is the neoliberal Democrats' existential threat. It makes no sense, otherwise.

#Bernie2020 #Not MeUs #BernieOrBust

Is this for real?

"...we Progressives and Independents might find your party more amenable".

Very charming!

Darius Khalil Gordon - "Bernie Sanders’ new organizer called people 'f*gs' & 'b***hes'"
Simone Zimmerman - "Sanders aide apologizes for dual-loyalty remark about Jews"
Matt Orfalea - "YouTuber immediately loses gig with Sanders campaign over sexualized MLK video"
Linda Sarsour - "When Progressives Embrace Hate"
Nina Turner - Campaigned for Jill Stein
Briahna Joy Grey - Voted for Jill Stein
Cenk Uygur - Misogynist, Genocide denier
David Sirota - Attack dog that makes James O'Keefe look like a responsible journalist

unsubstantiated derogatory statements about eight people who support/work for Bernie's campaign, as though that suggests Bernie surrounds himself with terrible people. Seriously? You think Bernie would run a campaign that way? I feel sad for you.

campaign.

You're ignoring reality, or trolling. Enjoy.

To see the truth of it.

Volunteers would do that, this is a hit job from Russians, republicans or some other country.

Or Trumpers posing as volunteers for dems.

hashtag asking for a refund from Pete Buttieg. This shit slinging is getting old fast. Who gives a rat's @$$ about any of this crap.


"Kristen Hill, a volunteer community leader for the presidential primary campaign of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) in North Carolina, was one of the first voters to kick off the viral hashtag #RefundPete.

"If Pete Buttigieg fooled you into thinking he was a progressive at the beginning of his campaign and you donated what he thinks is pocket change, you can ask for a refund by emailing your receipt to info@peteforamerica.com," Hill tweeted."

a #RefundPete crusade earlier, which the article explains.

Twitter link for the #RefundWarren tweets:


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23refundwarren&src=typd



Twitter link for the mostly-older #RefundPete tweets:


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23refundpete&src=typd


I had tabs open to each for a while, after I got those links to post in another reply here. When I looked at them again before closing them, I saw only a couple of new tweets for the RefundPete hashtag, and a couple hundred new ones for RefundWarren.

And since I opened new tabs with those links again just now, there's been one new one about Pete, and 53 new results about Warren.

Sanders reported hitting 5 million individual contributors at the start of this month
I'm sure that Elizabeth Warren also has many loyal supporters. These posts are just trying to stir the pot.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287421700#post16



I think it's a nasty tactic, whichever campaign's supporters are doing it.

Sanders most certainly did NOT hit five million individual CONTRIBUTORS.

"I like Warren, she's my second pick! But...she's a terrible person who is in the pocket of Wall Street, can't beat Trump, and eats puppies and children."

DUer who blithely indulges in othering and bigotry?

You're a cautionary tale, Boomer. Others may realize, as do I, that you clearly demonstrate in your bigoted snark that you seriously underestimate the political acumen of Bernie's supporters, who are fully capable of witnessing and assessing Warren's regrettable behavior. Warren has been slipping in the polls, she is not raising as much money as Bernie, she has plagiarized then waffled on Bernie's M4A, and she has decided that throwing this "Hail Mary" pass--in a pathetic attempt to get a bump in her donations and her support--will sway Bernie's supporters into believing he's even capable of such an utterance, and that we who support him would even indulge in such sophomoric actions as this OP alleges. Many of us are reminded of Warren's similar behavior in 2016, which has remained a factor in my rejection of her as a viable candidate.

Bear in mind, too, Boomer, that--just as Hillary did in 2016--Warren is attempting to use identity politics to derail Bernie's campaign. This is divisive and derisive. And, her personal history of identity politics suggests she lost her moral compass a long time ago, when she was the Rachel Dolezal of our Indigenous population. Did she invent a minority status to facilitate her career? Hmm... inquiring minds need to know.

She also demonstrated her lack of moral fiber when she went after Bernie on an issue that is so obviously false. The meeting--during which "four sources who were not present" alleged that Bernie said such a ridiculous thing--was a meeting with Warren whose mutual intent was agreeing NOT to attack each other in order to protect the Progressive movement. And, here she is, attacking him.

Bernie's supporters are vetting every single candidate, Boomer and we're not kidding when we say--just as in 2016--a neoliberal candidate will not prevail. And, thanks, I appreciate the opportunity to highlight the burgeoning anti-Bernie shenanigans while noting the real reasons Warren would make such a ridiculous accusation--clearly demonstrating what a poor candidate she would be. #Bernie2020 #NotMeUs #BernieOrBust

This is from the talking points that the Sanders Campaign put out. They specifically told people to tell Warren supporters how much they like her before tearing her down to them. Don't like that it's being pointed out? Tough.

Also, show where anything I said as bigoted? You think this has anything to do with Bernie being Jewish?

Do you think I care that you dont like Warren? Good, I dont like her either.

Sad that you derogate me for observing (with supportable data) that the likely sources that enable you to say

...Sanders Campaign [...] specifically told people to tell Warren supporters how much they like her before tearing her down to them

are corporate-owned media with a history of deceitfully derogating Bernie, because he's also their existential threat. This particular bon mot is from Politico, which has a long history of disrespecting Bernie Sanders. That you buy this divisive propaganda, apparently without doing research, is telling. That you believe Bernie supporters would engage in such negative campaigning tells me how little you understand about our political revolution.

And, Bernie Sanders is inclusive. He has been all his life. He knows the value of building a coalition of informed and engaged voters, especially our younglings. He knows our strength is in our numbers, in our diversity and in our dedication to recovering our nation and leading a global effort to mitigate climate change--if we still can. He knows that we, the vast Hoi Polloi, deserve to reap the benefits of our ever increasing productivity, using our tax revenue to benefit us all. (Research would also remind you that Bernie encouraged Warren to run in 2016, and the only reason he ran instead was because she refused him.)

That reminds me, your snark is bigoted in that it defines a large diverse group by a single alleged characteristic and conveys a derogatory message about the entire group, which is--apparently in your world view--a homogeneous and adversarial one. Furthermore, I find it ironic that you feel it's okay to snark about Bernie's supporters, yet you whinge that I'm 'talking down to you' when I address your bigotry, using my response as an opportunity to offer a defensible rebuttal.

Well, that reminds me--here's a bon mot from an amazing writer that reminds me of Molly Ivins:

https://medium.com/@kathycopelandpadden/a-mean-berner-typed-harshly-at-me-on-facebook-and-other-neoliberal-tales-of-woe-cb50dee11f12

Everything that's bad for poor Bernie is a "corporate-media elitist conspiracy" I suppose.

This act grows tired.

You have my sincerest condolences. (Obviously, the GOP doesn't have a lock on willful ignorance or cognitive dissonance.)

Apotheosis, apparently.

Only to the pitiable adherents to the multitude of religious mythologies that reflect our species' inescapable fear of irrelevance.

As usual, a certain campaign and candidate seems fine with it.

Bernie has his own army of twitter trolls. He doesnt need to farm the job out.

they draw many people who approve and emulate ruthless techniques.

Looking at the behaviors and attitudes of larger blocs of followers provides insight into the characters of the candidates they support and what's done to draw them.

Good leaders uplift whole peoples and advance their wellbeing by inspiring commitment to positive goals.

But insisting that change can only take place after overthrowing the existing power structure, and stoking anger and hostility against the "they" and "them" who just happen to be obstacles to the leaders taking power, indicates something very different. Populist leaders always say destruction of "they" and "them" must come first, before the advances used as excuses.

And the chance to act out of the antagonism identified as characteristic of most populist followers is what draws them away from honorable leaders. Add in ruthless and dishonorable campaign tactics, by the leaders, their employees, and eventually too many of the followers they encourage the worst in, and all citizens should be forewarned.

The obstacles to the ambitions of populist leaders always include traditional majorities of voters. If they could just get power by appealing to traditional majorities, they would. Disruption, division, and wooing away populists from other leaders (Trump, Sanders, Steyer currently) are required.

It's an irrational belief and becomes even more irrational with each attack on Warren.

polls of second choices have tended to indicate that Biden would get enough supporters from both that even if one of those two dropped out in favor of the other, the one staying in the race wouldn't overtake Biden.

Rarely does a candidate dropping out change things at the top.

"Progressive" candidates backstabbing each other and others. I'll bet ActBlue PAC employees are appreciating the tips. Does anyone remember that there is a crazed tyrant in the WH?

You have? Seems odd as you have trashed her quite a bit on this board yourself.



In fact you just said she has contempt for the Constitution in this thread right here


and then in this one you say she's reckless and desperate



So..please save the mock shock. It's extremely transparent.

Constitution.

I think she's hurting the Democratic Party in general by doing this.

Please spare us your pretense that my not liking her doing this is in any way similar to the attacks on her on Twitter from Sanders supporters asking others to demand a refund for their donations to her.

I guess you can do that if you like but it's really kind of ridiculous. A quick search shows it's very much not the case.

a debater but pointed out that it's pretty much irrelevant, since Trump isn't going to debate anyway.

I said she was going to have to spell out how she'd pay for MFA, and she finally did after being cornered on this on the debate stage and by the media.

I said her late response and her plan would hurt her, and it did.

I've posted polls showing she doesn't do as well as Biden or some other Democratic candidates against Trump.

I believe she just made a colossal mistake, and if she wants to tank her own campaign, fine, but what we're likely to see is Democratic candidates and lawmakers being asked by the media whether they agree that a president should bypass Congress on Day One.

And to the extent any of those Democrats feel they have to tiptoe around an answer to avoid looking as if they're criticizing Warren, this weakens all of our arguments against Trump bypassing Congress.

twitter so I would say in the end Sanders will win no friends over this behavior.

have to move to Bernie. It's simple. That's why Bernie is on the attack against Warren right now.

However, he needs to be careful, or some of his supporters will shift to Warren. It's a delicate balance, since both offer pretty much the same proposals.

Careful, Senator Sanders.

I used to be stunned at the vitriolic attacks on Sanders. Attacks not his policy but on him as a person. Now I am .. not used to it but I accept it is a thing.

And yet I don't' automatically hold the actions of some as the actions of the candidate such as Biden and Buttigieg.

Though I understand the anger. Lots of Sanders supporters had Warren as their second choice. They liked Warren. They never expected Warren to do something like this.

In any case, it is a nonstory unless people wh donated to Warren ask for refunds. In which case that says more about Warrens' support since those people had donated to her and then had serious buyers remorse. The same thing happened to Buttigieg if memory serves.