https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-warren-feud-takes-a-turn-onto-the-dangerous-turf-of-gender/2020/01/13/a6bf6bee-3627-11ea-bf30-ad313e4ec754_story.html


there is a history of Sanders going back to 1980s saying a woman should be President and this gossip ridden phony scandal crap is a distraction that is dangerous. Personally, I’m so weary of this crap. We have serious issues to debate. This is what they are dredging up to harm Sanders?

impressed...who'd they call Sirorta? This is not a good look for Sanders.

and straight talk. She's earned our trust.

The other quite the contrary. As revealing of character as anyone could need, this candidate has also hired, for the second time, a pack of political attack dogs to spread disinformation and virulent smears, sometimes flat lies, about several Democratic candidates and the Democratic Party, that he apparently doesn't think should come directly from his mouth.

Now, if we must have an opinion on this, who SHOULD we choose to believe?

happened...article presents not a bit of proof.

I think he was trying to discourage her. I don’t think he holds retrograde views on women candidates.

I also think Bernie feels deep down he is the one and only candidate who can defeat Trump. The One. This leads to extreme behavior at the supporter level that he does little to nothing to restrain. It’s a big problem and it will be his undoing sooner or later. Go into most any twitter thread of Elizabeth Warren’s right now and count the Bros. They are a disaster, Tom, and it would be nice if you showed some awareness of it.

and so what if he feels h is the one and only candidate who can defeat Trump?

nothing wrong with either of those views

the big issue is Warren is losing massive credibility. I was a big Warren fan and for her to leak a private conversation to get a politic advantage makes her untrustworthy - specially when it is with a friend

She tried to do with Pete with the Wine Cellar closed funding meetings when it was proven she took money from private meetings and moved it to her Presidential campaign. Sorry but that is a Trump tactic. Criticize your opponents for same thing you are doing.

All this stuff shows signs of desperation cause she is dropping in poll numbers


This is really sad. I supporter her as my #1 for a long time

and I really mean that and this bothers me

to repeat what other candidates say to them, but in many cases it's the ethical thing to do. We're in the "discovery" phase of this primary where we learn who these people are, remember?

Sanders has a history of problems with women. He's hired a bunch to combat that image, but that long history is well known to include a preference for working with men for just one thing.

He's ideologically egalitarian (universal, collectivist solutions require that), thus not ideologically misogynist. And in real life he's probably not any more than typical for leftist men of his generation whose views were first formed in the 1940s and 1950s. (My husband's Sanders' age and still draws a "put it back in the box, Bub" glare from me by chortling over some ancient sexist joke one of his elderly friends has sent.)

What's obvious from observation and research is that his political passions and goals are extremely strong and very narrow, and his big picture goals are all encompassing. Women, minorities, etc., will be uplifted with everyone else once universalist systems are imposed.

As for this, we know Sander'd say far, far worse than this in attempts to eliminate competition because he does. All the time. In fact, he hires whole packs of attack dogs to do far more of it than he can by himself.

We also know Warren has a good history of honesty and integrity. And of being a woman.

to dig their way back up at Bernie's expense. I don't for 1 second believe that after he asked her to run in 2016, that he would in 2018 tell her a woman will not get elected. It is a totally false narrative, and you know you have lost when you have Morning Joe saying it's ludicrous.

When Bernie wanted Warren to run he was a national nobody compared with Warren. Two years later, he was the darling of the left. She’s in the way, so his view changed. Is that so hard to understand?

later.

Hate to break it to you, but he is human.

Democrat, Independent. Democrat, Independent! The hell you say? Whatever!

Make up your mind Bernie!

But I won’t get that now will I?

Either way. When he doesn’t get the nomination (again) he is gonna hose us all!
“You” included.

would be Trump, which is why Bernie did not run as an independent.

A betrayal of that magnitude which would perhaps give Trump four more years and would be unforgivable.

Clinton (a woman) got millions more popular votes!

longer be on the Democratic Party's side if he ran against our nominee, and I don't think Sanders will run indie by the way...purely hypothetical.

But not of course the bullshit embellishment shit...this person never said that. So this has been out there since the race started...but what I find unforgivable is the embellishment and quick to anger( we woman are emotional wrecks woman and all ) defense put out by the Sander's campaign...it is bullshit...it infuriates me.

How many times have women been put down in this manner...while some less talented and in some cases not even very smart man has been been tapped to reinforce a talented hardworking woman's opinions or facts...yes this is biographical. It happened to me more than once, and it makes me see red every time it happens to any woman. This is why I care about this matter even if I am a Biden supporter. I am not sure a woman can win in sexist America, but don't call an accomplished smart woman who is trying to break the glass ceiling and win the White House a person who 'embellishes' stories or facts...not when you are running as a Democrat. Don't go there! It is disrespectful offensive to me and I would wager to other women as well.

I don't believe for one minute any Warren person said that to any Sanders supporter...either...and yeah as a woman I am offended...I think if this keeps up Sander is toast with women He should be quiet and let it blow over...instead of calling first a campaign person for Warren a liar, than calling Warren herself a liar and then sending out his campaign to say she is quick to anger, and embellishes her statements. These are all dog whistles for women and we won't be pleased if he continues...too many of us have experience with this sort of thing.

... but its something voters will have to conclude for themselves.

Bernie not so much.

He is toast. And there will be sour grapes when he doesn’t get the nomination.

I don't think you understand how offensive this ill thought out Sanders defense is to women. He does himself further damage by using it.

Then we'll all know the truth.

This has been posted here before.

Bernie Sanders' Sexism Problem

Harpers Bazaar

Then there is his rape fantasy that he had published when he was younger.

The fact that his campaign workers were forced to unionize because he brushed off the admitted problems of sexual harassment and worse from his 16 campaign.

His recent endorsement of known sexist Cenk Uygur.

I think this is a topic that we should be able to openly discuss here on DU. Unfortunatley, some of Sanders own statements about women are so degrading that they are not allowed to stand on DU. We can not have an honest debate about his history because of our own rules.

I compare Sanders and his views on women to that of Gabbart and her views on the LGBQT community. They hold highly offensive and oppressive views yet feel the government shouldn't put policies in place that would further oppression. That is a very personal thing that people have to work through.

I fully believe Sanders disparaged her based on gender. His history shows that is a part of who he is. Sometimes what makes sense is what happened. Sanders is a hostile individual who displays inherent sexist beliefs. He does not allow his personally held beliefs to make their way into his amendments.

was divulged as she is losing momentum and falling behind Bernie... Just saying. Frankly, I don’t believe her.

comments. She is telling the truth...and I am not even a supporter. I don't agree with Warren on everything, but she is not a liar.