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Nanjeanne

(5,003 posts)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:23 PM Jan 2020

Elizabeth Warren's Campaign Is Telling Key Supporters To De-Escalate The Fight With Bernie Sanders

Key points:

Bolding mine.

the campaign official followed up to caution supporters against accusing Sanders of sexism, saying that the line of questioning would be “really bad news for us.”

“I would be careful with the ‘sexism’ angle when it comes to the Bernie/Warren exchange individually — that’s not what this is about and I think it’ll be really bad news for us if that becomes what this is about (i.e. press asking her if she thinks Bernie is sexist),” the staffer told the group. “Is that what this is about broadly? Absolutely. But no one here is actually claiming Bernie himself is sexist (regardless of your own personal beliefs on that topic).”


Warren characterized the private December 2018 meeting in her statement as a simple exchange: “I thought a woman could win; he disagreed.” Sanders and his advisers have repeatedly said this account is false and that he only pointed out Trump would use gender against a woman candidate. “What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist, and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could,” Sanders said when the story was first reported by CNN, and before Warren confirmed it herself.

At one point in a lengthy DM to the Twitter group on Tuesday morning, the Warren staffer’s description of the controversy hewed closer to Sanders’s description than Warren’s. “Claiming you’re worried a woman can’t win/flagging that she’ll receive sexist attacks is something many, many people feel,” the campaign official wrote.


Jeff Weaver, a top adviser for Sanders' campaign, also suggested the Sanders campaign did not want to continue the fight. “We’re not going to get into this tit-for-tat," he said on CNN on Monday night.

Sanders and Warren, he said, "have great respect for one another, they’re fighting for a lot of the same goals, again, there were some wires crossed apparently about this story.”

Asked to comment on the move to de-escalate, Warren's communications director, Kristen Orthman, pointed to the candidate’s statement on Monday night calling Sanders a friend and longtime ally. “Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry,” Warren said.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-woman-president-deescalation


I know I sure would like to move away from this nonsense and focus on the issues facing our country.
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Elizabeth Warren's Campaign Is Telling Key Supporters To De-Escalate The Fight With Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Nanjeanne Jan 2020 OP
Not surprised by this at all. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #1
Nope - me either. It's the fanatics and the media that want a wrestling match. Most people Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #2
Me neither Herb...Elizabeth is a class act & so is Bernie. They need each other to defeat the forces InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #4
I think that's good advice for everybody. We don't need to be fighting among ourselves. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #3
Hear hear!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #5
When a project veritis expose is posted about a Sanders staff member some see it as gospel Autumn Jan 2020 #6
FWIW...that crap was cleaned out for what it was Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #14
I know, I alerted on it too. The recommendations were the saddest part of that garbage. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #16
They usually are. blm Jan 2020 #20
Which one of the 3 recs are you speaking of? herding cats Jan 2020 #38
FWIW, that was a many times repeat troll. herding cats Jan 2020 #37
I know it's a repeater troll, I recognize it every time. Facts do matter, two of those recs were Autumn Jan 2020 #40
Notice/a WOMAN's campaign is calling for de-escalation. apcalc Jan 2020 #7
It was Warren's campaign that started this whole fiasco. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #9
and you know this how? apcalc Jan 2020 #25
Because Bernie is as pure as the driven snow sweetloukillbot Jan 2020 #30
+1 apcalc Jan 2020 #31
The conversation in question was a private conversation between Bernie and Elizabeth. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #36
Your theory. apcalc Jan 2020 #39
That's what you got from this? Okie dokie. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #10
So, you don't feel de-escalation is important? Or trying to make peace? apcalc Jan 2020 #26
✔️ blm Jan 2020 #12
Well, I see Warren is being the bigger person...not a good look for Sanders. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #8
Warren's campaign started this mess. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #11
Yeah he really damaged his campaign by saying this was untrue representation of Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #13
Warren is not a liar.He said it. And today we find out that it was not just some Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #19
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #15
Another misfire by Warren. Nt BootinUp Jan 2020 #17
I'm hopeful discussion can focus on policy. David__77 Jan 2020 #18
They should make nice and shake hands? Generic Brad Jan 2020 #21
Shake his hand? Did you hear her comment? apcalc Jan 2020 #28
I would not shake either Generic Brad Jan 2020 #33
Trump loves divisive fights over sex and race in the Democratic party. Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #22
Looks like Warren is being an adult about this. ehrnst Jan 2020 #23
This is one of my issues with her nini Jan 2020 #24
Warren showed she could fight with the CFPB booley Jan 2020 #35
That was published before the debate. RandySF Jan 2020 #27
Recommended, and thank you. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #29
Too late. The "fight" is over something the candidates have blown out of proportion. Hoyt Jan 2020 #32
I think she was given bad advice booley Jan 2020 #34
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. Not surprised by this at all.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jan 2020
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Nanjeanne

(5,003 posts)
2. Nope - me either. It's the fanatics and the media that want a wrestling match. Most people
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jan 2020

are more concerned about their health care.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
4. Me neither Herb...Elizabeth is a class act & so is Bernie. They need each other to defeat the forces
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:30 PM
Jan 2020

aligned against them. These false narratives will not break up the Bernie/Elizabeth team... rather, they are going to backfire BIG TIME!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
3. I think that's good advice for everybody. We don't need to be fighting among ourselves.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jan 2020

That just plays into Trump's hands. Yes we can have a spirited contest for the nomination, but we need to keep our eyes on the ultimate goal.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
5. Hear hear!!
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. When a project veritis expose is posted about a Sanders staff member some see it as gospel
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jan 2020

and recommended you know the trolls are getting nervous. Good job by Liz in clearing this up. Now they can get on to the next.

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Docreed2003

(16,888 posts)
14. FWIW...that crap was cleaned out for what it was
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:53 PM
Jan 2020

And that troll is no longer with us

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
16. I know, I alerted on it too. The recommendations were the saddest part of that garbage. nt
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:55 PM
Jan 2020
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blm

(113,120 posts)
20. They usually are.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:57 AM
Jan 2020
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herding cats

(19,569 posts)
38. Which one of the 3 recs are you speaking of?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:15 AM
Jan 2020

One was from the author, the banned troll, I saw it before they were Nuked.

Two recs isn't even note worthy here. Is it?

Never fret, that troll will be banned again and again!

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herding cats

(19,569 posts)
37. FWIW, that was a many times repeat troll.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:09 AM
Jan 2020

Now gone, but they'll be back. Divide and conquer. Which sadly appears to resonate with some.

Also, for the record the OP had 3 rec's and one was from the author.

Facts matter.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
40. I know it's a repeater troll, I recognize it every time. Facts do matter, two of those recs were
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:06 AM
Jan 2020

not from the author of the OP.

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apcalc

(4,465 posts)
7. Notice/a WOMAN's campaign is calling for de-escalation.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:38 PM
Jan 2020

Peacemakers.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
9. It was Warren's campaign that started this whole fiasco.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020
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apcalc

(4,465 posts)
25. and you know this how?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:10 AM
Jan 2020
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sweetloukillbot

(11,121 posts)
30. Because Bernie is as pure as the driven snow
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jan 2020

And 30 years ago he told a little girl she could be president some day.

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HerbChestnut

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36. The conversation in question was a private conversation between Bernie and Elizabeth.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:47 AM
Jan 2020

Nobody else was in the room. The story was first reported by CNN who got their information from 4 sources who "had knowledge of the conversation". The only people who would have knowledge of the conversation are those in Bernie's and Elizabeth's camps. There's no way Bernie's people leak this when he's rising in the polls and trying to focus his campaign on winning Iowa, which, by the way, is in 3 weeks. Warren's campaign has been lagging in the polls and in fundraising. It's likely if she doesn't do well in Iowa and New Hampshire that she'll be out of the race. Her best bet at gaining support is through the progressive wing of the party, and it's not far-fetched that some people high up in her campaign thought attacking Bernie could be a way back into the race and that the timing (1 day before the debate, 3 weeks before the caucus) would be perfect. Everything points to this being a leak by the Warren campaign.

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Nanjeanne

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10. That's what you got from this? Okie dokie.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020
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apcalc

(4,465 posts)
26. So, you don't feel de-escalation is important? Or trying to make peace?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:11 AM
Jan 2020

Is the Sanders campaign trying to end this?

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Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
8. Well, I see Warren is being the bigger person...not a good look for Sanders.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

He did some damage for sure to his campaign.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
11. Warren's campaign started this mess.
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jan 2020

In what world does this look poorly for Sanders?

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Nanjeanne

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13. Yeah he really damaged his campaign by saying this was untrue representation of
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:52 PM
Jan 2020

the conversation and even Warren’s staff is saying the same now. Bernie doesn’t need to deescalate because he didn’t fundraise over this. Didn’t send his surrogates out to bad mouth Warren and simply responded to any question about this that it was not an accurate reporting of what he said. He has nothing to deescalate from.

The the anti Sanders blinders really affect reasoning.

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Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
19. Warren is not a liar.He said it. And today we find out that it was not just some
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:54 AM
Jan 2020

volunteer who put out the script about Warren being elitist but the campaign who used it over the weekend for canvassing door to door...sorry I find it difficult to believe Sanders was unaware of this. Not a good look for him.

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Uncle Joe

(58,470 posts)
15. Kicked and recommended
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:54 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for the thread Nanjeanne.

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BootinUp

(47,207 posts)
17. Another misfire by Warren. Nt
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:01 PM
Jan 2020
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David__77

(23,562 posts)
18. I'm hopeful discussion can focus on policy.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jan 2020

That is, most particularly, proposed policy in present time. I certainly appreciate both Warren and Sanders.

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Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
21. They should make nice and shake hands?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:57 AM
Jan 2020

Because she refused to shake his hand tonight. Actions speak louder than words.

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apcalc

(4,465 posts)
28. Shake his hand? Did you hear her comment?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jan 2020

She thinks he called her a liar on national TV? Would you shake?

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Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
33. I would not shake either
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:44 AM
Jan 2020

I’m in her camp on this one.

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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
22. Trump loves divisive fights over sex and race in the Democratic party.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:17 AM
Jan 2020

Let's please move on.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. Looks like Warren is being an adult about this.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:55 AM
Jan 2020

Perhaps it's time for Bernie to do the same thing and tell his supporters to calm down.

We'll see.

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nini

(16,672 posts)
24. This is one of my issues with her
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:10 AM
Jan 2020

She backs down from conflict too easily. She comes off as weak when she doesn’t go for the jugular.

She’s smart but I’ve seen her not quite sure how to handle situations when people go after her too many times in the political world you can’t be perceived as unwilling to handle conflict either whether we like it or not.

On that note. I hope this blows up in sanders face.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
35. Warren showed she could fight with the CFPB
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:10 AM
Jan 2020

Or how she fought Biden on stuff like the Bankruptcy bill.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/6/18518381/baccpa-bankruptcy-bill-2005-biden-warren

If we want to trace back why Progressives liked Warren (and ha da less favorable view of Biden) that would be a good start.

This didn't' show that. This was her making a charge that didn't' make sense given the record of who it was directed at. It was mud throwing and then pretending to be above it. Which made it look like a betrayal not just of Sanders but her own principals. OF course she would back off.

It was especially silly given that she has real issues with Biden. She has shown she can fight him on the issues.

On that Note, No, given 30 years of public statements and that he wanted Warren to run in 2016, this is unlikely to blow up in his face. All it did is let CNN look like idiots.

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RandySF

(59,500 posts)
27. That was published before the debate.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:13 AM
Jan 2020
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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. Recommended, and thank you.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:22 AM
Jan 2020
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
32. Too late. The "fight" is over something the candidates have blown out of proportion.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:35 AM
Jan 2020

If this is how they would handle disagreements with other countries, . . . . . .

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booley

(3,855 posts)
34. I think she was given bad advice
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:52 AM
Jan 2020

This fight won't help her at all. It certainly hurts her with progressives.

From what I hear, a lot fo Warren's people did not all agree with doing this. So yah I can see her wanting to get past it as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately, I don't' see the media letting her do that.

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