Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Uncle Joe

(58,480 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:19 PM Jan 2020

The Night the Media Realized Bernie Could Win



A serious candidacy brought out the absurd questions.

(snip)

Sanders chuckled along with the audience. Warren seemed almost surprised, at first, that she hadn’t been asked to litigate the essential truth of the claim, as CNN had granted her the assumption that her version was correct. She quickly transitioned, though, to an effective monologue about how the men on the stage had collectively lost 10 elections, and she was the only candidate on stage who had beaten an incumbent Republican in the past 30 years.

(snip)

The moderators, however, had a clear focus, and it was Sanders. Their treatment of him reflected his dual status in the race: As a plausible front-runner in a narrowing field, he was due to receive sustained scrutiny; as the candidate furthest past the left edge of establishment politics, he faced questions that framed his positions as facially unrealistic, or dangerously in league with the Ayatollah Khamenei. The Sanders campaign has complained—not unreasonably—for much of the past year that the media has erased or ignored the candidate, even as he’s run a strong and steady race. Tuesday’s debate showed that they don’t have to worry about the press refusing to pay attention to him anymore.

(snip)

Sanders was later asked about how his health care plan would eliminate insurance industry jobs in Iowa. All of it built up to the Ur-question, asked near the end of the debate: “More than two-thirds of voters say they are not enthusiastic about voting for a socialist. Doesn’t that put your chances of beating Donald Trump at risk?”

Bernie Sanders is a big boy. If he’s the nominee—or even if he just wins Iowa, in the ensuing Democratic freakout—he should, and presumably does, expect to field not just extreme scrutiny, but extreme scrutiny that assumes the absurdity of his positions or electability, every minute of his life. In that respect, Tuesday’s debate was good preparation for the second half of the cycle. The only surprise is that it took debate moderators this long to recognize he was worth the time.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/iowa-presidential-debate-bernie-sanders.html


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
10 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Night the Media Realized Bernie Could Win (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP
Go Bernie! zentrum Jan 2020 #1
Please focus DownriverDem Jan 2020 #2
Historically, a centrist can't. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #3
Tough questioning is fine, and most of CNN's questions were tough. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #4
I agree on all counts HerbChestnut. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #8
No one said Sanders could win last night...what was said was this... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #5
This LeftTurn3623 Jan 2020 #6
"This looks bad for Warren no matter whats" crazytown Jan 2020 #9
not sure? Whats is say about me? LeftTurn3623 Jan 2020 #10
I don't see Bernie ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #7
 

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
2. Please focus
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jan 2020

on who can win enough states to beat trump in November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,995 posts)
3. Historically, a centrist can't.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
4. Tough questioning is fine, and most of CNN's questions were tough.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:27 PM
Jan 2020

But a few crossed the line into pushing a narrative. The sequence regarding the Sanders/Warren incident was, just, I mean I'm speechless. The key part is at the end where the moderator completely disregarded Bernie's answer to her question. Here's a snippet of the transcript.

PHILLIP: Let's now turn to — let's now turn to an issue that's come up in the last 48 hours. Sen. Sanders, CNN reported yesterday that — and Sen. Sanders, Sen. Warren confirmed in a statement, that in 2018 you told her that you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that?

SANDERS: Well, as a matter of fact, I didn't say it. And I don't want to waste a whole lot of time on this, because this is what Donald Trump and maybe some of the media want. Anybody knows me knows that it's incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States.

Go to YouTube today. There's a video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of the United States. In 2015, I deferred, in fact, to Sen. Warren. There was a movement to draft Sen. Warren to run for president. And you know what, I said — stayed back. Sen. Warren decided not to run, and I then — I did run afterwards.

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States? And let me be very clear. If any of the women on this stage or any of the men on this stage win the nomination, I hope that's not the case, I hope it's me.

But if they do, I will do everything in my power to make sure that they are elected in order to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of our country.

(APPLAUSE)

PHILLIP: So Sen. Sanders — Sen. Sanders, I do want to be clear here, you're saying that you never told Sen. Warren that a woman could not win the election?

SANDERS: That is correct.

PHILLIP: Sen. Warren, what did you think when Sen. Sanders told you a woman could not win the election?


wtf?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Uncle Joe

(58,480 posts)
8. I agree on all counts HerbChestnut.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

I knew a few weeks ago when the corporate media conglomerates decided they couldn't ignore Bernie anymore that it would be open season on them trashing Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
5. No one said Sanders could win last night...what was said was this...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jan 2020

'Sanders was Sanders last night' with a shrug...same old and same old...he didn't lay a glove on Biden nor Warren in my opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts)
6. This
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:33 PM
Jan 2020
"Sanders chuckled along with the audience. Warren seemed almost surprised, at first, that she hadn’t been asked to litigate the essential truth of the claim, as CNN had granted her the assumption that her version was correct. She quickly transitioned, though, to an effective monologue about how the men on the stage had collectively lost 10 elections, and she was the only candidate on stage who had beaten an incumbent Republican in the past 30 years."


I was wondering if anyone else noticed that Warren didn't stand her ground and say he said that. Bernie was very convincing that he did not say that. It almost seemed shady of Warren. You do not release a statement then just not talk about it when the person is there to defend himself.

This looks bad for Warren no matter what

If Warren is telling the truth it makes her look weak that she cant stand up to someone when they are there to defend it. How can she stand up to Trump?

Or she was lying or misleading to gain a political advantage against one of her friends.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
9. "This looks bad for Warren no matter whats"
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jan 2020

your comment says more about yourself than Senator Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts)
10. not sure? Whats is say about me?
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jan 2020

I made a typo?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
7. I don't see Bernie ...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

I don't see Bernie winning over voters who went with Trump in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»The Night the Media Reali...