Democratic Primaries
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This cluelessness was also evident in a New York Times article last summer titled What Middle Class Families Want Politicians to Know, which included interviews with a number of purportedly middle class families with household incomes of up to $400,000 (only one of the interviewees earned less than $100,000, with the average around $200,000).
The fact that people who earn a quarter-million dollars annually place themselves in the same category as those earning $70,000 tells us just how politically useless the term middle class has become in contemporary America. Even when we take into account geographic factors and fluctuations in the cost of living, there is little rational justification for categorizing a $60,000-a-year blue-collar worker with a lawyer or doctor earning in excess of $200,000.
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In the Democratic primaries, only one candidate has deliberately chosen to use working class over middle class. Not surprisingly, that candidate is Sen. Bernie Sanders. I am a candidate of the working class, Sanders recently declared on Facebook. I come from the working class. That is my background, thats who I am. I fought for the working class as a mayor, a Congressman and a Senator. And that is the kind of president that I will be. Sanders, whose campaign is 100% grassroots-funded, wrote in a column last week for the Des Moines Register, our campaign is focused on making sure the government stops representing billionaires and start representing us the working class of this country.
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How much this actually matters is, of course, debatable, but the term working class undoubtedly has far more implications and political significance than middle class, which, like many overused words in the political lexicon, has lost all meaning. By using working class instead, Sanders appears to be trying to increase class consciousness in America, where those in the ruling class have often demonstrated the highest level of class consciousness (never failing to use their abundant resources to protect and advance their own interests).
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https://www.truthdig.com/articles/sanders-is-the-only-candidate-who-gets-what-working-class-really-means/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(67,462 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)but we all have our burdens to bear.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)And, yes, it IS a terrible burden... imagine how much worse it'll get when President Sanders takes the oath of office and becomes the most popular Democratic President in U.S. history!! (Don't know if Bernie's heart can take it.)
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Let's see how that serves him. Shall we?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,809 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Sanders at high noon fighting the establishment by himself with just about only AOCs support to count on. Doesnt seem to me his being the special one will serve him in pushing through is agenda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,347 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,112 posts)Warren knows how to get things done. And worked on these issues long before she entered the senate. A LONG career of actually researching the problems so progressive minded politicians and lawmakers, like Sanders and others, could benefit and learn from her years of work and the data collected and utilize it in pursuit of their own political or legislative goals.
via druidity
"The Case For Elizabeth Warren
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/15/21054083/elizabeth-warren-2020-democratic-primary
.......
It was Warren, in her 2004 book The Two-Income Trap, who recast the state of the American middle class. Those rising incomes? The result of families sending women into the workforce, which meant they now needed to pay for child care and had fewer options for rescue if anything happened to the primary breadwinner. Those cheap consumer goods? They didnt make up for the rising cost of housing, health insurance, and child care. And that informational plenty? It hadnt stopped predatory industries from bilking ordinary Americans.
.......
In 2010, the Roosevelt Institute held a conference at which Warren spoke, and the think tank released an e-book, with the stirring title Make Markets Be Markets. Warren was, at this point, pushing for the creation of a consumer protection agency. Willing a new federal agency into being is the kind of political project that can take generations. Congressional chairs and even US presidents spend their careers fighting, and failing, to achieve more modest institutional reforms. Warren faced yet longer odds. Her power was informal. She wasnt a US senator, a Cabinet secretary, or the president. She controlled no committees, commanded no voting blocs, owned no budgets, was the key vote on no legislation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,499 posts)From a sociological perspective, working class has a specific definition and is usually considered between lower class and middle class. Working class and middle class are two different things.
Three modern perspectives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_middle_class
"Sanders appears to be trying to increase class consciousness in America, "
By intentionally misusing the term? That's a curious way to increase consciousness. Blurring the lines between two different classes would seem to be doing the opposite.
As an aside, if all one uses to differentiate candidates is their usage of the terms "middle class" and "working class", one should probably reconsider one's priorities.
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Eko
(7,384 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eko
(7,384 posts)class and is by mere happenstance.
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George II
(67,782 posts)Using definitions used over the years, he definitely isn't from a "working class" background. Salespeople were considered "professional class".
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)throughout most of his 20s and 30s, and thereafter only "worked" in government can claim with a straight face to have come from the "working class."
Preposterous, if you ask me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)Bernie worked throughout his 20s and 30s whether you respect his occupations or not, furthermore Bernie never gave up in his pursuit of a political career no matter the setbacks, to me that's the mark of a winner.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Not to mention the albatross around his neck.
Working class people act differently that Sanders did, in my experience. Leave it at that.
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Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)but most conscientious Americans don't.
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)That not "working" class.
I'd buy "intentionally non-working" class.
Members of the working class don't generally embrace people they regard as layabouts, in my experience. Especially in his circumstances.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...BACKGROUND, meaning earlier than when he started working, cough cough.
And I never held a job for which I never showed up for more than six months, still drawing a salary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)from grass roots, working class people in this country tells me I'm not alone. That must REALLY Bern upper-crust elitists, who seek to keep working class people down.
Thankfully, Bernie's roots with everyday people, HIS kind of people, is why he relates so well to their condition and is willing to go to bat for them... and SWING FOR THE FENCES!! As Bernie likes to say, it's not about HIM, it's about US!!
Finally, someone who fuckin' gets it!! A politician whom we can look up to with pride, knowing that when Bernie gets to the White House, he'll be the people's President and look after the interests of those of us on Main Street, rather than those on Wall Street!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....he became mayor of 35,000 population Burlington, Vermont.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)as an aide at a psychiatric hospital, as a Head Start preschool teacher, as a carpenter, and as a freelance writer for local publications.
Despite his economic travails Bernie never gave up, as I posted above in my book he's a winner and history has proved him out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)I got a full time job in my profession a few months after graduating from college. Why couldn't he?
BTW, I disagree with your assessment of history.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)You disagree with with my assessment of history but offer no rebuttal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Familiar with Frank Sinatra's "New York, New York"?
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)that he was a terrible writer of fiction (after the scandal over his deeply offensive rape fantasy broke wide open).
He seemed unable to keep the Head Start and psychiatric aide jobs. Why?
Sanders could clear up any misconceptions about his "work" record, but he's not forthcoming.
I'd love to see the entire record of his work experience.
Is that too much to ask of a person running for the highest office in the land?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)your calling whatever that is?
Personally I don't care if Bernie was a successful writer, carpenter or whatever, his decades of public service, steadfast integrity, keen judgment, universal vision and unconditional commitment to the American People are what infinitely matters more to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)And found work in my chosen field almost immediately upon graduating from university and worked diligently thereafter to support myself, my wife, and my son.
No "odd jobs" for me, post college. I did bartend durning my final year or so of college and worked in a medical lab during high school summers.
Unlike you, I do care that every job Sanders took on was seemingly done without competence and/or he got terminated.
The leader of the free work should be a person who exhibits competence and caring in all his endeavors, from my point of view.
We also don't agree in our estimations of Sanders' judgement, integrity, or vision. Polar opposite views. I can assure you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)especially, if it's BERNIE, of all people, we're talkin' about!! The work "those people" do, apparently, are not REAL jobs.
Wake up Uncle Joe!! You obviously need to be re-educated... I hope you will seek and receive the help you need and, one day, you'll see the light!! hahaha!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,967 posts)For himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,967 posts)I knew it was pretty late in life, just did not remember his age at the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Never missed an election since. Any election. I show up when there is one inconsequential item on a municipal ballot.
I don't understand people like Sanders, who sit out (until he votes for himself).
Bothers me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...for Jimmy Carter in 1976 in their Manhattan office. There was no internet back then, but I remember after the polls closed people were driving around in their cars blasting their horns and waving to each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,685 posts)No way.
Ask him if he ever lived paycheck to paycheck.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,499 posts)Perhaps he should do some research into how they are used by sociologists and economists.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)using "middle class" to describe everyone not in poverty or being a multi-millionaire.
The median income in America is approximately 63,000 dollars, now square that with the first paragraph in the OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)all you need do is google "corporate media" or "corporate media conglomerates," Wikipedia has some informative articles on it but there are numerous other sources as well.
The fact is I know you don't care if only six corporate mega conglomerates own 90+% of everything the American People see on T.V. hear on the radio or read in publications.
You're comfortable with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)before I bust a gut from some of the hilarious responses your posts are generating!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,967 posts)Relatively:
That wasn't very nice. Please Uncle Joe, you can DU better than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,967 posts)That was an attack on a member here, yet you know that. You can spin it anyway you want.
If it was said to you, I would feel the same way and call it out as an attack on you.
You can do better than this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,499 posts)So powerful he made the author of the article ignorant of how the class structure works in American economics and sociology.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Wawannabe
(5,685 posts)If he calls himself working class. My ass he is. Bwahahahahaaaaa!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)use the term "working class" to describe anyone.
Why do you believe that is?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,361 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/opinion/democrats-2020-jobs-benefits.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/27/politics/seiu-labor-minimum-wage-2020/index.html
https://bit.ly/363l4f9
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-turned-his-back-working-class-opinion-1478952
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,685 posts)Lololololololol!
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Wawannabe
(5,685 posts)I call bullshit!
Hello! Senator with millions. Fuck
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,667 posts)It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?
I look forward to answers to these questions
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....classes that he can use to pit Americans against each other, i.e., "working class" vs. "middle class", etc.
He talks about the "ruling class", but where has he been for the last 30+ years? A member of the ruling class!
He talks about the "millionaire and billionaire class" (now truncated to "billionaire class" ), but where has he been the last few years? A member of the millionaire class.
He was never "working class" himself, nor was it his "background" as he likes to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)See? I do know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden