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Uncle Joe

(58,459 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:35 PM Jan 2020

What Separates Sanders From Warren (and Everybody Else)



(snip)

This cluelessness was also evident in a New York Times article last summer titled “What Middle Class Families Want Politicians to Know,” which included interviews with a number of purportedly middle class families with household incomes of up to $400,000 (only one of the interviewees earned less than $100,000, with the average around $200,000).

The fact that people who earn a quarter-million dollars annually place themselves in the same category as those earning $70,000 tells us just how politically useless the term “middle class” has become in contemporary America. Even when we take into account geographic factors and fluctuations in the cost of living, there is little rational justification for categorizing a $60,000-a-year blue-collar worker with a lawyer or doctor earning in excess of $200,000.

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In the Democratic primaries, only one candidate has deliberately chosen to use “working class” over “middle class.” Not surprisingly, that candidate is Sen. Bernie Sanders. “I am a candidate of the working class,” Sanders recently declared on Facebook. “I come from the working class. That is my background, that’s who I am. I fought for the working class as a mayor, a Congressman and a Senator. And that is the kind of president that I will be.” Sanders, whose campaign is 100% grassroots-funded, wrote in a column last week for the Des Moines Register, “… our campaign is focused on making sure the government stops representing billionaires and start representing us — the working class of this country.”

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How much this actually matters is, of course, debatable, but the term “working class” undoubtedly has far more implications and political significance than “middle class,” which, like many overused words in the political lexicon, has lost all meaning. By using “working class” instead, Sanders appears to be trying to increase class consciousness in America, where those in the ruling class have often demonstrated the highest level of class consciousness (never failing to use their abundant resources to protect and advance their own interests).

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https://www.truthdig.com/articles/sanders-is-the-only-candidate-who-gets-what-working-class-really-means/

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What Separates Sanders From Warren (and Everybody Else) (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP
bernie's main problem is not his plans.. nt msongs Jan 2020 #1
Well Bernie does have the highest favorability rating of any Democratic Candidate for President Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #3
That's because Bernie is a true Democrat's Democrat... labels be damned!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #50
Sanders certainly is separate from "everybody else" in the Democratic Party race. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #2
Home to VT!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
He would be a very lonely president if his supporters are right about how singular he is. Bernie emmaverybo Jan 2020 #48
It is part of why he won't get that far. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #49
Good looks! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #4
Here's a difference many seem to miss blm Jan 2020 #6
This is What Separates Sanders From Warren (and Everybody Else) NYMinute Jan 2020 #7
Working class and middle class are not interchangeable terms. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #8
And all the Billionaires and mil,,,,,, Billionaires! Eko Jan 2020 #9
Shhhh, we don't bash millionaires anymore. Wonder why? George II Jan 2020 #11
Im sure its just an oft overlooked Eko Jan 2020 #13
Your subject line can be taken two ways. But... George II Jan 2020 #10
Sanders always said his parents were lower middle class, IMS. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #14
In the 1940s there was no such thing as "lower middle class"! George II Jan 2020 #17
Take it up with Sen Sanders. LOL. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #18
I'm amused (if that's the right word?) that a guy who seems to purposefully avoided working The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12
The only thing preposterous is your skewed perspective post. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #15
A few (very few) odd jobs done poorly (very poorly). The Valley Below Jan 2020 #16
In his 20s and 30s Bernie was working class, you may look down on that Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #19
No. He seems to have consciously avoided working, as far as the record shows. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #22
What he was doing wasn't considered "working class". And he claims he's from a working class.... George II Jan 2020 #38
I look up to Bernie... always have, always will. The record donations Bernie receives InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #53
I don't know what you consider "worked", but he never had a full-time steady job until... George II Jan 2020 #20
Bernie worked several odd jobs before his dream of public service took hold, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #23
He was a college graduate at 23 or 24 years old. His "economic travails" were self-made.... George II Jan 2020 #24
Well not everyone can be as successful as you George. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #27
All I can say is if he didn't move to Vermont he would never have been a Congressman.... George II Jan 2020 #62
He's been described in print as "the word's worst carpenter." He said of himself The Valley Below Jan 2020 #26
How many jobs have you had throughout your life before you found Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #29
I, personally, never avoided working over the bulk of 20 years. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #44
Uncle Joe, don't you know we're not supposed to acknowledge those kind of working class people?... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #56
Isn't that when he cast his first vote? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #28
Yep. Never bothered to register to vote until he was 39/40. I proudly registered when I was 21. George II Jan 2020 #30
Thanks. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #33
I was so jazzed, I got to vote when I was 18. 1976, Jimmy Carter. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #46
My first Presidential vote was for George McGovern in 1972. My first Presidential campaign was.... George II Jan 2020 #61
But. Not working class Wawannabe Jan 2020 #52
ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #57
The author seems unaware that the terms have specific meanings. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #21
It's the corporate media conglomerates that muddied up the word, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #25
What is the "corporate media conglomerate"? Seems like buzzwords to me. George II Jan 2020 #31
You're relatively intelligent George, you already know but don't care. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #32
I have no idea what the definition-o-the-day is for that. George II Jan 2020 #34
It hasn't changed since being posted here countless times, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #37
You're making WAY too much sense Uncle Joe... you REALLY need to stop InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #58
"Relatively intelligent"? Sorry to disappoint, but you greatly underestimate me. George II Jan 2020 #39
"relatively intelligent" sheshe2 Jan 2020 #41
Everything is relative sheshe. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #43
"relatively intelligent" sheshe2 Jan 2020 #45
I'm relatively intelligent, I have no problem with that. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #47
Yeah, well that's what Einstein said... so guess you're in good company Uncle Joe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #59
The all-knowing, all-powerful Sanders boogeyman. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Jan 2020 #35
Bernie is super unaware Wawannabe Jan 2020 #54
Working class background? LOL redstateblues Jan 2020 #40
It's a funny/tragic thing, the corporate media conglomerates never Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #42
Why do you believe that is? lapucelle Jan 2020 #60
Those nasty faceless straw men redstateblues Jan 2020 #63
I know! Right! Wawannabe Jan 2020 #55
Bernie Sander is NOT working class Wawannabe Jan 2020 #51
He never was. Even in his childhood he wasn't. George II Jan 2020 #65
Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world? Gothmog Jan 2020 #64
He's not trying to increase class consciousness in the country, he's trying to create... George II Jan 2020 #66
The NYT does NOT buy sanders theory of a magical voter revolution Gothmog Jan 2020 #67
I know! I know! A staff made up of Jill Stein voters? MineralMan Jan 2020 #68
 

msongs

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1. bernie's main problem is not his plans.. nt
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:37 PM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

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3. Well Bernie does have the highest favorability rating of any Democratic Candidate for President
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

but we all have our burdens to bear.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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50. That's because Bernie is a true Democrat's Democrat... labels be damned!!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:14 AM
Jan 2020

And, yes, it IS a terrible burden... imagine how much worse it'll get when President Sanders takes the oath of office and becomes the most popular Democratic President in U.S. history!! (Don't know if Bernie's heart can take it.)


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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The Valley Below

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2. Sanders certainly is separate from "everybody else" in the Democratic Party race.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

Let's see how that serves him. Shall we?



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emmaverybo

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48. He would be a very lonely president if his supporters are right about how singular he is. Bernie
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:00 AM
Jan 2020

Sanders at high noon fighting the establishment by himself with just about only AOC’s support to count on. Doesn’t seem to me his being the “special one” will serve him in pushing through is agenda.

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The Valley Below

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49. It is part of why he won't get that far.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:01 AM
Jan 2020
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blm

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6. Here's a difference many seem to miss
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jan 2020

Warren knows how to get things done. And worked on these issues long before she entered the senate. A LONG career of actually researching the problems so progressive minded politicians and lawmakers, like Sanders and others, could benefit and learn from her years of work and the data collected and utilize it in pursuit of their own political or legislative goals.

via druidity

"The Case For Elizabeth Warren”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/15/21054083/elizabeth-warren-2020-democratic-primary

.......
It was Warren, in her 2004 book The Two-Income Trap, who recast the state of the American middle class. Those rising incomes? The result of families sending women into the workforce, which meant they now needed to pay for child care and had fewer options for rescue if anything happened to the primary breadwinner. Those cheap consumer goods? They didn’t make up for the rising cost of housing, health insurance, and child care. And that informational plenty? It hadn’t stopped predatory industries from bilking ordinary Americans.

.......
In 2010, the Roosevelt Institute held a conference at which Warren spoke, and the think tank released an e-book, with the stirring title “Make Markets Be Markets.” Warren was, at this point, pushing for the creation of a consumer protection agency. Willing a new federal agency into being is the kind of political project that can take generations. Congressional chairs and even US presidents spend their careers fighting, and failing, to achieve more modest institutional reforms. Warren faced yet longer odds. Her power was informal. She wasn’t a US senator, a Cabinet secretary, or the president. She controlled no committees, commanded no voting blocs, owned no budgets, was the key vote on no legislation.

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NYMinute

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7. This is What Separates Sanders From Warren (and Everybody Else)
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:56 PM
Jan 2020
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TwilightZone

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8. Working class and middle class are not interchangeable terms.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:59 PM
Jan 2020

From a sociological perspective, working class has a specific definition and is usually considered between lower class and middle class. Working class and middle class are two different things.

Three modern perspectives:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_middle_class

"Sanders appears to be trying to increase class consciousness in America, "

By intentionally misusing the term? That's a curious way to increase consciousness. Blurring the lines between two different classes would seem to be doing the opposite.

As an aside, if all one uses to differentiate candidates is their usage of the terms "middle class" and "working class", one should probably reconsider one's priorities.

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Eko

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9. And all the Billionaires and mil,,,,,, Billionaires!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:16 AM
Jan 2020
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George II

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11. Shhhh, we don't bash millionaires anymore. Wonder why?
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:20 AM
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Eko

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13. Im sure its just an oft overlooked
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:22 AM
Jan 2020

class and is by mere happenstance.

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George II

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10. Your subject line can be taken two ways. But...
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:19 AM
Jan 2020

Using definitions used over the years, he definitely isn't from a "working class" background. Salespeople were considered "professional class".

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The Valley Below

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14. Sanders always said his parents were lower middle class, IMS.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jan 2020
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George II

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17. In the 1940s there was no such thing as "lower middle class"!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:36 AM
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The Valley Below

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18. Take it up with Sen Sanders. LOL.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:38 AM
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The Valley Below

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12. I'm amused (if that's the right word?) that a guy who seems to purposefully avoided working
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:21 AM
Jan 2020

throughout most of his 20s and 30s, and thereafter only "worked" in government can claim with a straight face to have come from the "working class."

Preposterous, if you ask me.

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Uncle Joe

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15. The only thing preposterous is your skewed perspective post.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie worked throughout his 20s and 30s whether you respect his occupations or not, furthermore Bernie never gave up in his pursuit of a political career no matter the setbacks, to me that's the mark of a winner.

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The Valley Below

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16. A few (very few) odd jobs done poorly (very poorly).
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:35 AM
Jan 2020

Not to mention the albatross around his neck.

Working class people act differently that Sanders did, in my experience. Leave it at that.

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Uncle Joe

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19. In his 20s and 30s Bernie was working class, you may look down on that
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:38 AM
Jan 2020

but most conscientious Americans don't.

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The Valley Below

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22. No. He seems to have consciously avoided working, as far as the record shows.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:43 AM
Jan 2020

That not "working" class.

I'd buy "intentionally non-working" class.

Members of the working class don't generally embrace people they regard as layabouts, in my experience. Especially in his circumstances.

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George II

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38. What he was doing wasn't considered "working class". And he claims he's from a working class....
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jan 2020

...BACKGROUND, meaning earlier than when he started working, cough cough.

And I never held a job for which I never showed up for more than six months, still drawing a salary.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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53. I look up to Bernie... always have, always will. The record donations Bernie receives
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:32 AM
Jan 2020

from grass roots, working class people in this country tells me I'm not alone. That must REALLY Bern upper-crust elitists, who seek to keep working class people down.

Thankfully, Bernie's roots with everyday people, HIS kind of people, is why he relates so well to their condition and is willing to go to bat for them... and SWING FOR THE FENCES!! As Bernie likes to say, it's not about HIM, it's about US!!

Finally, someone who fuckin' gets it!! A politician whom we can look up to with pride, knowing that when Bernie gets to the White House, he'll be the people's President and look after the interests of those of us on Main Street, rather than those on Wall Street!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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George II

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20. I don't know what you consider "worked", but he never had a full-time steady job until...
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:38 AM
Jan 2020

....he became mayor of 35,000 population Burlington, Vermont.

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Uncle Joe

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23. Bernie worked several odd jobs before his dream of public service took hold,
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:46 AM
Jan 2020

as an aide at a psychiatric hospital, as a Head Start preschool teacher, as a carpenter, and as a freelance writer for local publications.

Despite his economic travails Bernie never gave up, as I posted above in my book he's a winner and history has proved him out.

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George II

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24. He was a college graduate at 23 or 24 years old. His "economic travails" were self-made....
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:51 AM
Jan 2020

I got a full time job in my profession a few months after graduating from college. Why couldn't he?

BTW, I disagree with your assessment of history.

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Uncle Joe

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27. Well not everyone can be as successful as you George.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:53 AM
Jan 2020

You disagree with with my assessment of history but offer no rebuttal.

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George II

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62. All I can say is if he didn't move to Vermont he would never have been a Congressman....
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jan 2020

Familiar with Frank Sinatra's "New York, New York"?

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The Valley Below

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26. He's been described in print as "the word's worst carpenter." He said of himself
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:53 AM
Jan 2020

that he was a terrible writer of fiction (after the scandal over his deeply offensive rape fantasy broke wide open).

He seemed unable to keep the Head Start and psychiatric aide jobs. Why?

Sanders could clear up any misconceptions about his "work" record, but he's not forthcoming.

I'd love to see the entire record of his work experience.

Is that too much to ask of a person running for the highest office in the land?

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Uncle Joe

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29. How many jobs have you had throughout your life before you found
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:59 AM
Jan 2020

your calling whatever that is?

Personally I don't care if Bernie was a successful writer, carpenter or whatever, his decades of public service, steadfast integrity, keen judgment, universal vision and unconditional commitment to the American People are what infinitely matters more to me.

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The Valley Below

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44. I, personally, never avoided working over the bulk of 20 years.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:39 AM
Jan 2020

And found work in my chosen field almost immediately upon graduating from university and worked diligently thereafter to support myself, my wife, and my son.

No "odd jobs" for me, post college. I did bartend durning my final year or so of college and worked in a medical lab during high school summers.

Unlike you, I do care that every job Sanders took on was seemingly done without competence and/or he got terminated.

The leader of the free work should be a person who exhibits competence and caring in all his endeavors, from my point of view.

We also don't agree in our estimations of Sanders' judgement, integrity, or vision. Polar opposite views. I can assure you.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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56. Uncle Joe, don't you know we're not supposed to acknowledge those kind of working class people?...
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:43 AM
Jan 2020

especially, if it's BERNIE, of all people, we're talkin' about!! The work "those people" do, apparently, are not REAL jobs.

Wake up Uncle Joe!! You obviously need to be re-educated... I hope you will seek and receive the help you need and, one day, you'll see the light!! hahaha!!




Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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sheshe2

(83,967 posts)
28. Isn't that when he cast his first vote?
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:57 AM
Jan 2020

For himself.

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George II

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30. Yep. Never bothered to register to vote until he was 39/40. I proudly registered when I was 21.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:01 AM
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sheshe2

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33. Thanks.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:06 AM
Jan 2020

I knew it was pretty late in life, just did not remember his age at the time.

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The Valley Below

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46. I was so jazzed, I got to vote when I was 18. 1976, Jimmy Carter.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:48 AM
Jan 2020

Never missed an election since. Any election. I show up when there is one inconsequential item on a municipal ballot.

I don't understand people like Sanders, who sit out (until he votes for himself).

Bothers me.

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George II

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61. My first Presidential vote was for George McGovern in 1972. My first Presidential campaign was....
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

...for Jimmy Carter in 1976 in their Manhattan office. There was no internet back then, but I remember after the polls closed people were driving around in their cars blasting their horns and waving to each other.

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Wawannabe

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52. But. Not working class
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:31 AM
Jan 2020

No way.

Ask him if he ever lived paycheck to paycheck.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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57. ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:44 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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TwilightZone

(25,499 posts)
21. The author seems unaware that the terms have specific meanings.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:41 AM
Jan 2020

Perhaps he should do some research into how they are used by sociologists and economists.

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Uncle Joe

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25. It's the corporate media conglomerates that muddied up the word,
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:51 AM
Jan 2020

using "middle class" to describe everyone not in poverty or being a multi-millionaire.

The median income in America is approximately 63,000 dollars, now square that with the first paragraph in the OP.

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George II

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31. What is the "corporate media conglomerate"? Seems like buzzwords to me.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:02 AM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

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32. You're relatively intelligent George, you already know but don't care. n/t
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:04 AM
Jan 2020
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George II

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34. I have no idea what the definition-o-the-day is for that.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:06 AM
Jan 2020
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Uncle Joe

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37. It hasn't changed since being posted here countless times,
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jan 2020

all you need do is google "corporate media" or "corporate media conglomerates," Wikipedia has some informative articles on it but there are numerous other sources as well.

The fact is I know you don't care if only six corporate mega conglomerates own 90+% of everything the American People see on T.V. hear on the radio or read in publications.

You're comfortable with that.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
58. You're making WAY too much sense Uncle Joe... you REALLY need to stop
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:49 AM
Jan 2020

before I bust a gut from some of the hilarious responses your posts are generating!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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George II

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39. "Relatively intelligent"? Sorry to disappoint, but you greatly underestimate me.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jan 2020
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sheshe2

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41. "relatively intelligent"
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:28 AM
Jan 2020

Relatively:

to a certain extent/degree · to a limited extent/degree · to some extent/degree · partly · partially · half · in some measure · comparatively · moderately · (up) to a point · [more]


That wasn't very nice. Please Uncle Joe, you can DU better than that.
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Uncle Joe

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43. Everything is relative sheshe. n/t
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:33 AM
Jan 2020
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sheshe2

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45. "relatively intelligent"
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:45 AM
Jan 2020

That was an attack on a member here, yet you know that. You can spin it anyway you want.

If it was said to you, I would feel the same way and call it out as an attack on you.

You can do better than this.

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Uncle Joe

(58,459 posts)
47. I'm relatively intelligent, I have no problem with that.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:53 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
59. Yeah, well that's what Einstein said... so guess you're in good company Uncle Joe!!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:52 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,499 posts)
36. The all-knowing, all-powerful Sanders boogeyman.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:07 AM
Jan 2020

So powerful he made the author of the article ignorant of how the class structure works in American economics and sociology.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #25)

 

Wawannabe

(5,685 posts)
54. Bernie is super unaware
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:32 AM
Jan 2020

If he calls himself working class. My ass he is. Bwahahahahaaaaa!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
40. Working class background? LOL
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:23 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,459 posts)
42. It's a funny/tragic thing, the corporate media conglomerates never
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:30 AM
Jan 2020

use the term "working class" to describe anyone.

Why do you believe that is?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,361 posts)
60. Why do you believe that is?
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:06 AM
Jan 2020
Reviving the American Working Class

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/opinion/democrats-2020-jobs-benefits.html

2020 Democrats make case to unions, working-class voters

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/27/politics/seiu-labor-minimum-wage-2020/index.html

How one Oregon town embodies America’s working-class crisis

https://bit.ly/363l4f9

Trump Has Turned His Back on the Working Class

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-turned-his-back-working-class-opinion-1478952

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
63. Those nasty faceless straw men
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:42 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wawannabe

(5,685 posts)
55. I know! Right!
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:33 AM
Jan 2020

Lololololololol!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wawannabe

(5,685 posts)
51. Bernie Sander is NOT working class
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:27 AM
Jan 2020

I call bullshit!
Hello! Senator with millions. Fuck

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. He never was. Even in his childhood he wasn't.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:20 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,667 posts)
64. Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world?
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:27 AM
Jan 2020

It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders’ platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?

I look forward to answers to these questions

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. He's not trying to increase class consciousness in the country, he's trying to create...
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jan 2020

....classes that he can use to pit Americans against each other, i.e., "working class" vs. "middle class", etc.

He talks about the "ruling class", but where has he been for the last 30+ years? A member of the ruling class!
He talks about the "millionaire and billionaire class" (now truncated to "billionaire class" ), but where has he been the last few years? A member of the millionaire class.

He was never "working class" himself, nor was it his "background" as he likes to say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,667 posts)
67. The NYT does NOT buy sanders theory of a magical voter revolution
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:37 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
68. I know! I know! A staff made up of Jill Stein voters?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:30 AM
Jan 2020

See? I do know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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