I think it's wonderful how progressive he's become in his Catholic faith over the past...er...45 years.

And maybe I'm naive, but I can't emphasize enough how disheartening it is that Bernie's supporters keep peddling BS from 45 years ago! Gosh, Bernie's internal polls numbers must look pretty bad for his supporters to continue embarrassing themselves like this.

That doesn't cast a very nice light on Biden. How about reading up on your candidates before jumping in this time.

That is hardly a leap from one party to another, being there was 45+ years in between elections. Or do we just discount four or five decades in a person's life? Like Joe Biden's life perhaps?

Sanders endorsed them and campaigned for them.

on what they view as the current "center".

Bernie's consistent and can be TRUSTED by We The People to govern the way he campaigns and DELIVER on his campaign promises. That's what President Sanders said he would do... that's what he WILL do!!

With Bernie, there will be no "moving to the center" when the Democratic primary race is over. How refreshing will that be!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

I mean, if we're going back in to the 70 's.....

rather than forcing them them live on welfare.

that is not helpful IMO. 1974 was a completely different era. A lot of people said a lot of things back then that are now out of favor. Joe today is a strong advocate for a woman's right to choose.

Proponents of the various campaigns will do their thing.

State has interest in fetus at viability. Women don’t legally have sole and exclusive control under roe vs wade. This “liberal” decision on par with laws in Europe and elsewhere. Nowhere does a woman have 100% control.

Do you support that position? Do the same rules apply, i.e. anything a candidate has ever said stands today?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287429255

The party he belonged to and was an elector for justified the hostage-taking by mistakenly insisting that all of the targets were CIA agents. Clearly, they were not.

From the link:

"One prominent political figure on the 2020 stage, then almost completely unknown, stood apart by joining a Marxist-Leninist party that not only pledged support for the Iranian theocracy, but also justified the hostage taking by insisting the hostages were all likely CIA agents. Who was that person? It was Bernie Sanders. "

The rest of it is correct. (I am not sure this shows he personally held that specific belief about the hostages, but yes he did belong to an organization that espoused that.)

I don't care what Bernie said about what and when. I especially don't care when it's 40 years ago.

Still, wrong though that claim appears to have been, I think 'whoops we headshot your government' is objectively more wrong.

would be enough to inoculate Bernie on this one.

Compare the impact of the claim the organization Sanders was part of, about the hostages, versus the opposition of bodily autonomy for half our nation's population.

People still fighting the cold war are less of a concern to me than people still trying to micro-manage women with the power of our own government today. (Thankfully, Biden abandoned that position.)

Our feelings as progressives aren’t the point. Biden’s 1974 statement in the OP would prove to be meaningless if he’s the nominee running against an anti-choice party. He’s well known and defining him with old statements that he moved on from a long time ago won’t work as a political tactic.

Bernie’s long ago positions otoh are compatible enough with his current stances to be mined by Republicans for political profit. They would skewer him on national security and patriotism for being aligned with a political party that sided with the Ayatollah during the hostage crisis. It would be part of a larger narrative against him as being an extremist and I don’t doubt that it would have an effect. If a war hero like John Kerry can be swiftboated it doesn’t take much imagination to think what they would do with Bernie’s personal history.

saw Oliver fucking North waxing poetic on FOX about how IRAN has these dangerous surface to air and surface to surface missiles.

So I guess principle went out the window a while ago.

Is there a schedule for posting this? What are next weeks themes? The desperation is palpable

And some rather obvious coordination.

I think that there is some pre-emptive strikes going out to distract from huge mound that certain other career politicians others have that is being revealed...

Denied communion for sticking up for right to chose. This is no small thing in his religion

and thus presumably voted for Republicans who almost universally opposed abortions and all forms of women's rights, I'd be careful about making judgments on this one. Pot, kettle, black, you know.

have been on an evolving political journey.

It was not even 24 years ago. She was 47 at the time when she first registered as a Democrat, and before that, according to some who knew her, “a diehard conservative.”

The point was ... if you are going to go back to 1974, twenty-two years before Warren became a Democrat, and critique another candidate’s statement from that time, then it would be hypocritical not to go back to that same year and examine Warren’s beliefs and writings at that time. Fair’s fair, right?

This OP did not discuss what Biden’s positions are today, or even in 1996, 22 years after the cited statement. The post set the parameters of the discussion here. Nothing about the candidates’ current positions is therefore relevant. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say.

I thought women should not go out in public without a girdle, nylons and slip under their dress back then.

Of course, then I was just 4. So it likely involved some sort of candy.

I was in the process of being raised Catholic at that point and surely would have spouted something like Biden did as my whole family thought like that.

Since then I've learned that was totally stupid. Does that make me a bad Democrat now? No, it just means I've evolved.

as long as you didn't live in California while he was the Governor. It was a real horror show.

They wouldn't think of doing that now.

"82 Percent Of Catholics Say Birth Control Is ‘Morally Acceptable’ Despite Catholic Institutions’ Crusade Against It"
https://thinkprogress.org/82-percent-of-catholics-say-birth-control-is-morally-acceptable-despite-catholic-institutions-de925a416df9/

98% have used a contraceptive method other than natural family planning
https://www.guttmacher.org/religion-and-family-planning-tables

Since Bernie in '69 was wrongly writing about the connection between orgasms and cervical cancer.

If we're going to include everything a candidate has ever said or written, Sanders supporters aren't going to like how things turn out.

So smug.

I'm putting your nonsense posts on ignore

This what vetting is for... looking forward to the corporate media starting this process for Joe the same way they've gone after Bernie.

Let the best candidate win!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

In 1980, Bernie Sanders belonged to and was an elector for a party that defended and justified the hostage-taking in Iran by mistakenly claiming that the targets were CIA agents.

Sounds pretty disqualifying to me. I'm sure you'll agree, right?

Or do you think that political stances on the issues might change over time?

Source: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287429255

The ads will be all about how Sanders was in a communist sect that justified Iranian hostage-taking by falsely claiming they were likely all CIA agents.

The GOP apparently wouldn't even have to exaggerate.

were anti-choice. And Perriello might have signed the 20 week ban on abortion bill which Northam vetoed...guess that means Sanders is disqualified to as he endorsed and campaigned for anti-choice candidates.

This would work better if brought up vs. one of the other, younger candidates, who didn't have an adult history from 1974. For Bernie, it's no help whatsoever. We can just do whataboutism.

you need some help with this?

I had reservations about posting it here not sure if it is permissible. Found the original...

the original post and I will re-visit it myself to find your response. l

I voted for Reagan and was against abortion.
What now?
People change views, sometime dramatically, my sister was a Howard Dean
supporter, now shes a maggot lover.

" he didn’t “think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.” "

...absolutely unbelievable...

How about 2019?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1287&thread=429446&pid=430614

...absolutely unbelievable, indeed...

sponsored bills that took away abortion women's rights in this century...made it so no insurance could cover abortion...and he campaigned for and endorsed Tom Perriello in Virginia.Now that was in 17...Now I am not concerned about what a candidate thought over 40 years ago, But Sanders endorsed both Perriello and Mello in 17.

"There is a spectrum of opinion about what constitutes “pro-choice” or “anti-choice” positions (or “pro-life” or “pro-abortion”). During Mello’s time in the Nebraska Senate (2009 through 2016), he voted on six abortion-related bills. He voted in favor of three bills that limited the conditions under which abortions are legally available, and he also voted in favor of three other bills that attached conditions on receiving abortion services.In both his 2008 and 2012 state senate campaigns, Mello was endorsed by the political action committee of Nebraska Right to Life"

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Heath_Mello%27s_voting_record_on_abortion


"...It is for that reason that I’m particularly concerned about a recent comment from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who has endorsed Democratic gubernatorial candidate Tom Perriello, a one-term former Virginia congressperson, for governor. On MSNBC’s Morning Joe last week, the former presidential candidate agreed with host Joe Scarborough that Democrats should “be open to candidates that may not be rigidly pro-choice, may not be rigidly pro-gun control....”
"What’s uniquely concerning about Sanders’ quest to send a national signal in Virginia with Perriello is Sanders’ ongoing drive to own what the progressive brand within the Democratic Party should look like, coupled with his willingness to make abortion rights an optional part of that brand. That’s dangerous at a critical moment for abortion rights. As I’ve covered for Rewire, there is nothing progressive or winning about a so-called big tent on abortion. Perriello, whom FiveThirtyEight recently declared “a political opportunist in the age of Trump,” seems to keep moving his sleeping bag from tent to tent on the abortion issue. It’s not clear where he stands on Sanders’ willingness to accommodate anti-abortion actions and actors in the Democratic Party, all while carrying a mantle of economic justice that can’t be complete without access to ready, funded access to reproductive health care".

https://rewire.news/article/2017/04/07/no-thanks-bernie-virginia-abortion-rights-advocates-know-better/

that voted to take away abortion right. Heath voted for 6 anti-choice bill and sponsored a couple...they all became law. Perriello is one of the Democrats who's votes complicated abortion in the ACA when he was in the house...and we got less than what we wanted...Sanders campaigned for them in 2017 ... not 1974. But you want to me to care about something that happens well over 40 years ago but ignore Sanders more recent actions...well no. My suggestion is Sanders and/ or his supporters should never never bring the subject up.

Nice attempt at a hit piece, though.


Neeeeeeext.....

That's no what a sensible person would want in a President, someone with a limited inflexible mind.

I'll vote for him if he's the nominee, but he won't be.

That was 46 years ago. Views change over time. I know some of mine have. You meet new people, experience things yourself, and grow as a person. I think everyone goes through that. I've certainly held some different views in the past. Luckily, through life experience, I evolved.

I was so intellectually suspect that I might have supported Bernie Sanders, anti-nuke.

I am no longer an anti-nuke, since I'm a scientist and I don't believe that platitudes can address climate change.

One needs to know some science to be able to address climate change. Sanders doesn't.

Most people, especially religious white men were anti-choice then.

He evolved on the issue and is pro-choice now (and for some time).

Smells of desperation.

That slogan, on a sign in the OP photo, has struck as an interesting counterpoint to “safe, legal, and rare.”

someone pulling up sonething Bernie said four years ago is foul, but Biden hasn't changed his views in 45+ years.

In 1974, two gay people caught having sex as seen through a window in their bedroom faced prison. In 1974, many states still made interracial marriage almost impossible. In 1974, it was still ok for a man to beat his girlfriend or wife. People change, if that was not the case, we would still be living in 1974 and be wearing double-knit clothing.

Most people change, they learn, they grow. It actually speaks well of Biden that he has evolved on the issue.


This sort of stuff is not helpful.

That you were in 1974. Jeez.

about the same time Bernie was writing rape fantasy stories for the paper or was it about the time that he abandoned his kid?

abortion. Walking out on a child and never being seen again or not paying child support equals the male form of abortion. Outlaw that first.

That is a funny thing about those who attack him as too far left.

His positions have become the mainstream over time.

...

Maybe begin trying something that works rather than blindly throwing material at the wall hoping it sticks, because nothing you throw is sticking... at all.

You simply cannot see it, can you? The more crap of this you throw at the walls, the worse Bernie's numbers get. It reflects poorly on Sanders and even worse on you.

An insult misspelled is very sad.