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MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:27 PM Jan 2020

Many of our older presidential primary candidates

have long histories in government and public life. I remember them as young legislators, mayors, or in other roles, back in the 70s and 80s.

I remember many other things from those days, as well, since I lived through them too. I remember when abortion became legal. I remember that many people had to evolve their points of view about that. I remember even when contraception was essentially illegal in some states, including my own California. People had points of view about that, too, and it took a long time for it to be accepted by some politicians who are now champions of reproductive rights.

I remember many state and federal legislatures who were slow to understand many social justice issues. From racial prejudices, sexism, and many other things, there was a steady evolution of understanding among many Democratic legislators. I remember the ERA's history. I remember many Democrats who only supported it after a while, and notice that the 38th state to ratify that amendment just voted recently to do so. probably too late for it to become an Amendment. I remember attitudes toward the LGBTQIA community, even when HIV/AIDS was ravaging part of that community. Not so long ago. I remember long-held attitudes that had to change. I remember it all, because I am of the same age as our oldest candidates.

It's very easy to search backwards in time and find views that were once held by our older presidential candidates that no longer are held and are now unacceptable to almost everyone, including those candidates. Not only they, but the entire country, have evolved in the past 40 to 50 years. Anyone who is in his or her 60s or 70s can easily remember when current norms regarding social justice were revolutionary ideas. Should we have known they would become the norms? Perhaps, but hindsight is always very clear.

With any of our Democratic presidential candidate who are over 60 years old, and some who are younger than that, it's easy to look back in time and find votes in their past that they would not make today. It's easy to find writings that they would not write today. It's easy to find attitudes in many areas those candidates no longer hold. We could do that, but doing so ignores the evolution we have ALL gone through in those decades.

Perhaps we should spend more time looking at recent votes and attitudes, and less time looking at what is really ancient history at this point. Perhaps.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Many of our older presidential primary candidates (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2020 OP
Candidates who have been in politics for a significant length of time The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #1
Exactly. Listen to what they are saying now, not what they said long ago. MineralMan Jan 2020 #2
Well said PatSeg Jan 2020 #3
Thank you. MineralMan Jan 2020 #5
Oh yes PatSeg Jan 2020 #13
Primaries are competitive events. Past history is very much fair game. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #4
Some people feel as you do. MineralMan Jan 2020 #6
Don't I know it. Have a good weekend MM. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #8
I'm okay with evolution. If past bad behavior is still reflected today, MH1 Jan 2020 #7
Ah once again the man from Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #9
Exactly. Society evolves, and with it those who live in and MineralMan Jan 2020 #10
Your last sentence Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #11
Nelson Mandela was 77 when he became president if South Africa. sinkingfeeling Jan 2020 #12
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
1. Candidates who have been in politics for a significant length of time
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jan 2020

will inevitably have voted for bills or said or done other things that they probably would not do now, and might even regret having done. They might have changed their minds about some issues over the years; they might have decided it was necessary to compromise on some aspect of a bill in order to get another part of it passed; they might have written or said things that don't cast them in a very good light; they might have disreputable relatives; they might have engaged in financial transactions that seem inconsistent with their professed political or ethical positions, and so forth. As far as I'm concerned, if whatever is being complained about didn't happen in the recent past and didn't involve a felony or some grotesquely awful personal behavior, I'm not interested.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
2. Exactly. Listen to what they are saying now, not what they said long ago.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jan 2020

I have evolved. We all have. The decades past have passed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
5. Thank you.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

In my opinion, the Republicans will do more than enough looking back into the past. We don't need to do that, I think, during the primary campaign. At least not too much of it. Once we have a nominee, we'll be seeing tons of opposition research trotted out by the GOP. We'll need to defend our nominee from it. How can we do that if we used the same arguments and negative ancient history during the primary campaign?

It's a flaw in our primary debates, really. We might have a favorite. Actually, most of us have a favorite. We would like to see our favorite candidate become the nominee. In every case, though, someone else might end up as that nominee. It's difficult to support a nominee if you have attacked that candidate during the primaries in a public way.

It will be embarrassing to see the Republicans use the same attacks you used against the person who becomes the nominee. In fact, you'll probably see every one of them again after the convention.

Attacks are not vetting. Attacks are simply attacks. They do nobody any good when November rolls around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,678 posts)
13. Oh yes
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:36 PM
Jan 2020

I've brought this up numerous times, that if one's candidate choice doesn't get the nomination, it is quite an adjustment to go from attacking a candidate to supporting him/her enthusiastically. After an extremely contentious primary, some people just can't make that transition, as we saw in 2016. There are Bernie supporters out who still are holding the grudges from 3 or 4 years ago, so apparently six months or so isn't always enough time to adapt to a new candidate.

Once we have a nominee, republicans will go after that person with no restraints whatsoever. Many Democratic supporters are helping to build their opposition research playbook.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,179 posts)
4. Primaries are competitive events. Past history is very much fair game.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jan 2020

It certainly won't be off limits in the general election. I'm OK with candidates evolving over the years but they all must be prepared to address their histories. Both Biden and Warren are much more liberal than they used to be. It won't hurt them to explain why and it would probably benefit them.

There will only be one winner and until the winner is chosen unity must await the conclusion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
6. Some people feel as you do.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jan 2020

Not everyone, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,179 posts)
8. Don't I know it. Have a good weekend MM.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:46 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,608 posts)
7. I'm okay with evolution. If past bad behavior is still reflected today,
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

then it is relevant that the attitude has persisted for decades.

And, the past behavior of our nominee WILL be brought up in the GE campaign, in any way that the opposition thinks will be helpful to their goal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. Ah once again the man from
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:53 PM
Jan 2020

Minny post so much food for thought . Like you,I to have made many changes in attitude over the decades.

So fortune to have known many of those People whom have been Change Agents whom Matriculated from the Great State of Minnesota over the decades. And yes ,they too evolved over time as Mayors,Council Members,State Legislator's and Governor's,to become extremely effective Federal Legislator's advocating the Rights of those left behind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
10. Exactly. Society evolves, and with it those who live in and
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:59 PM
Jan 2020

lead that society. Without evolution of ideas, nothing changes.

Revolution is not the only mechanism of change, although it sometimes seems attractive to some.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
11. Your last sentence
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jan 2020

do recall from a Ploy Sci Prof from Norway who became a advisor to Hubert Humphrey's in his run against Kennedy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sinkingfeeling

(51,484 posts)
12. Nelson Mandela was 77 when he became president if South Africa.
Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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