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booley

(3,855 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:30 AM Jan 2020

The Sanders Attack Biden cant ignore

For as many years there has been Videos of Sanders sayig a women can be President. there are videos of Biden saying he would be fine cutting Social security.

And as the Sanders campaign is fond of noting, Biden has a long history of endorsing Social Security benefit cuts dating back to the 1980s and 1990s.

As then-President Barack Obama’s vice president, Biden served as Obama’s liaison to Senate Republicans at a time when Obama had put a cut to Social Security cost-of-living adjustment on the table in pursuit of “grand bargain” that would also increase tax revenue. Obama would make that technical change, the “chained” consumer price index, part of his 2013 budget resolution, prompting a White House protest where Sanders spoke.


Link to Huffpost story

Also
....What Biden was expressing was a common sentiment among the centrist faction of the party in the 1980s and ’90s — the belief that old tax-and-spend liberals were out, and that a type of “New Democrat” was needed, one who understood the necessity of fiscal restraint. Cutting spending was the only way, he argued, to salvage what was left of the Great Society and New Deal. The mentality of Biden-style Democrats — that the best the party could do was play defense — was dominant for a generation; it’s now being fundamentally challenged not just in the presidential campaign but in congressional primaries across the country.

The mentality of Biden-style Democrats — that the best the party could do was play defense — was dominant for a generation, but is now being fundamentally challenged.
Biden himself, at least on his campaign website, now supports making Social Security more generous, not less. But that’s at odds with decades of his own advocacy, a record that could become a major political liability among voters concerned Biden will finally get his wish to trim back Social Security checks
...
With this year’s presidential contest being fought over the terrain of electability, Biden’s 35-plus-year effort to cut Social Security, arguably the most popular government program in existence, is potentially a major liability among older voters — and hypocrisy has never held Trump back from making an effective political attack. Biden’s historical position also stands in stark contrast to Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, both of whom support increasing benefits and have offered ways to make the program solvent indefinitely.
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Link to Intercept

Finally, though I am sure people will reject this because of the source, my point in posting is to have a compilation of times Biden said he was ok with cutting Socal Security. Yes, it has a candidate it likes. It doesn't' deny that. But you can just skip to 2:13 and see the Biden clips for yourself.

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The Sanders Attack Biden cant ignore (Original Post) booley Jan 2020 OP
The doctored video? RandySF Jan 2020 #1
Do you know what 'doctored' means? HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #3
By definition, Bernie's team has been spreading a doctored video. pnwmom Jan 2020 #8
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #7
Which video? booley Jan 2020 #29
Can you post? TheFarseer Jan 2020 #31
The Bernie quote no voter should ignore ... NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #2
Yeah, I'm okay with that. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #4
But it DOES have to do ... NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #6
This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #11
Ideologues have no problems with mental reservations once they OnDoutside Jan 2020 #17
No, it' scalled poisonign the well booley Jan 2020 #30
HUH??? NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #32
TRU DAT... like Joe being amenable to cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #9
Dumb lies just make you all look bad. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #14
Oh, lookie here! NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #16
This is the way I see it also! Butterflylady Jan 2020 #27
+1 TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #5
Too bad RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #24
Well no matter what this will be his last run...light at the end of the tunnel. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #25
Then focus on Biden RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #26
Attack has been thoroughly fact checked and labeled FALSE Zolorp Jan 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #12
And yes fact source Intercept... has been debunked here many many times! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #13
Fake News. Debunked. Snoped. Fact Checked to be False. #SirotaLies #DirtyTricks #Desperation NYMinute Jan 2020 #15
Warren call Sanders a liar tirebiter Jan 2020 #18
Ouch!! Punch thrown... squarely delivered Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #19
All I can say wiley Jan 2020 #20
Not this @#$% again. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #21
Because Biden has to be held accountable the words his opponents put in his mouth BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #22
Any candidate wanting to "fix" Social Security, whathehell Jan 2020 #23
STOP IT! onecaliberal Jan 2020 #28
 

RandySF

(59,491 posts)
1. The doctored video?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:36 AM
Jan 2020

Ryan Grim is an open Sanders supporter.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
3. Do you know what 'doctored' means?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:58 AM
Jan 2020

Because I don't think it means what you think it means.

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pnwmom

(109,020 posts)
8. By definition, Bernie's team has been spreading a doctored video.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:03 AM
Jan 2020

It has been altered -- sliced and diced -- in order to mislead viewers.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/doctor?s=t

to revise, alter, or adapt (a photograph, manuscript, etc.) in order to serve a specific purpose or to improve the material:
to doctor a play.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
29. Which video?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

Because you know there are Multiple videos showing Biden saying he wants to cut Social Security going back to at least 1984.

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TheFarseer

(9,326 posts)
31. Can you post?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jan 2020

I can’t keep up with what video you are talking about that is doctored. I saw the entire video and the clipped short “sarcastic” video. Is that what you are talking about? I have not seen a doctored video.

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NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
2. The Bernie quote no voter should ignore ...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:56 AM
Jan 2020
"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

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HerbChestnut

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4. Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:59 AM
Jan 2020

Why? Because it has nothing to do with issues that actually affect American lives.

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NanceGreggs

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6. But it DOES have to do ...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:02 AM
Jan 2020

... with the integrity of the man who made that statement

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OnDoutside

(19,982 posts)
17. Ideologues have no problems with mental reservations once they
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:26 AM
Jan 2020

Put ideology before everything else. That is standard the world over. All you can really do is to keep drawing attention to it for the benefit of others.

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booley

(3,855 posts)
30. No, it' scalled poisonign the well
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jan 2020

Sirota did not do that report.

IF the only argument you have is you don't' like the one who told you, that is frankly a crap argument.

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NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
32. HUH???
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jan 2020

I posted a Bernie quote about being a hypocrite if he ran as a Dem.

What does Sirota have to do with it? What 'report'? What are you on about?

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
9. TRU DAT... like Joe being amenable to cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits!!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:05 AM
Jan 2020

Talk about affecting American lives!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
14. Dumb lies just make you all look bad.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:13 AM
Jan 2020
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NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
16. Oh, lookie here!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:38 AM
Jan 2020

A Bernie supporter willing to believe doctored videos!

Really reminds me of Trump-humpers. Different kool-aid, same delusional state.

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Butterflylady

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27. This is the way I see it also!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:25 AM
Jan 2020
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RandiFan1290

(6,258 posts)
24. Too bad
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:20 AM
Jan 2020

He is running and if you have a problem with it take it up with your party.

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Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
25. Well no matter what this will be his last run...light at the end of the tunnel.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:40 AM
Jan 2020

Tired of the drama associated with the Sanders campaign. He won't be our nominee. And we will beat Trump with Biden. I had at first picked Sanders as my second because of Wisconsin...but no more. I dont like the doctored videos and lies coming out of the campaign.

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RandiFan1290

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26. Then focus on Biden
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:45 AM
Jan 2020

instead of worrying about Bernie.

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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
10. Attack has been thoroughly fact checked and labeled FALSE
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:05 AM
Jan 2020

"We rate this statement False."

--Politifact

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Thekaspervote

(32,813 posts)
13. And yes fact source Intercept... has been debunked here many many times!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:11 AM
Jan 2020
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NYMinute

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15. Fake News. Debunked. Snoped. Fact Checked to be False. #SirotaLies #DirtyTricks #Desperation
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:37 AM
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tirebiter

(2,539 posts)
18. Warren call Sanders a liar
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:31 AM
Jan 2020

On thật II take her at her World. Sanders is a liar

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Thekaspervote

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19. Ouch!! Punch thrown... squarely delivered
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:53 AM
Jan 2020
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wiley

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20. All I can say
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:27 AM
Jan 2020

more

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
21. Not this @#$% again.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:37 AM
Jan 2020

Obama, playing 3 dimensional chess, poisoned pilled the chained CPI deal the GOP had been demanding he offer with a tax increase.

Republican legislators won't increase taxes, they even sign a pledge not to. So nothing was on the table.



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BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
22. Because Biden has to be held accountable the words his opponents put in his mouth
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:41 AM
Jan 2020

But Bernie shouldn't be held accountable for his own words.

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whathehell

(29,100 posts)
23. Any candidate wanting to "fix" Social Security,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:19 AM
Jan 2020

or "qdjust" it, needs to explain EXACTLY what he or she means.

Social Security is NOT insolvent and needs no "adjusting", unless it's to raise the cap.

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