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highplainsdem

(49,060 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:31 AM Jan 2020

Sanders was an elector for a 1980 presidential candidate who said US soldiers should shoot officers

I hadn't known this before last night, when I read a CNN piece by Joe Lockhart, then checked for the report on Sanders' association with the Socialist Workers Party, a Trotskyist group that had split off from the Communist Party USA.

http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_b2b013b579c3336442a6c4f131303fdb

Let's start with what he calls himself (and the label Trump tries to stick to every Democrat): a socialist. There's no ducking this one -- Bernie has said a lot over the years, and a lot of it on camera. The Associated Press reports that in a 1983 reelection debate he said, "I am a socialist, of course, I am a socialist." The Washington Examiner reported last year that in 1980 and 1984, Sanders campaigned for the Socialist Workers Party. The report said that Sanders "proudly endorsed and supported" the Marxist group's presidential candidate, Andrew Pulley, in 1980. According to the report, in a press release, Sanders said, "I fully support the SWP's continued defense of the Cuban revolution."



I looked for that Washington Examiner article and found what it said about Sanders' association with the group:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/bernie-sanders-campaigned-for-marxist-party-in-reagan-era

The 2020 Democratic presidential primary candidate and United States senator from Vermont, now 77, often scoffs at comparisons between his brand of self-described "democratic socialism" and communism. In recent years, he has said he is merely interested in having the United States look more like Sweden, a social democracy with a broad welfare state but a well-functioning private sector.

But his personal files from his time as mayor of Burlington, from 1981 to 1989, archived at the University of Vermont, show that he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP and maintained a close relationship with its senior members. While Democrats campaigned for President Jimmy Carter in 1980 and Walter Mondale in 1984, Sanders spent the Reagan era supporting fringe Marxists with no chance of reaching the White House.

In 1980, Sanders "proudly endorsed and supported" Andrew Pulley, the party's presidential candidate, who once said that American soldiers should "take up their guns and shoot their officers." Sanders was one of three electors for Pulley on the Vermont ballot, stating in a press release: "I fully support the SWP's continued defense of the Cuban revolution."

Four years later, he backed and campaigned for the SWP presidential nominee Mel Mason, a former Black Panther, saying it was important for there to be "fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." During the campaign, Mason praised the Russian and Chinese revolutions and said: "The greatest example of a socialist government is Cuba, and Nicaragua is right behind, but it's still developing."



I did some more googling to check on whether possibly Andrew Pulley had made that statement after 1980, in which case Sanders' endorsement of him couldn't have had anything to do with inflammatory rhetoric about soldiers shooting their officers.

What I found was that Pulley had said this about 10 years earlier. So there's little chance that Sanders wasn't well aware of it.

He still supported Pulley and was one of the three electors for Pulley on the Vermont ballot.

Sanders was 39 years old at the time of the 1980 election.

He wasn't a teenager or even a 20something who might try to dismiss decisions made re the 1980 election (when he could have supported Carter against Reagan instead) as due to some youthful naivete.


This is definitely NOT the Scandinavian model that Sanders and his supporters would like you to believe is the type of socialism Sanders has supported. (The Scandinavian model isn't socialism, anyway, but regulated capitalism with a wide safety net supported by high taxes.)


Anyway, THIS part of Sanders' background -- from when he was nearly 40 years old (and four years later when he again was an elector for the 1984 SWP candidate) -- is what the Republicans are likely to go after, if by some unfortunate chance Sanders becomes our nominee.

This is why Trump and the Republicans so obviously want Sanders, not Biden, to be our nominee.

I don't know how Sanders explains this.



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Sanders was an elector for a 1980 presidential candidate who said US soldiers should shoot officers (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP
The Washington Examiner is a Conservative Rag Sloumeau Jan 2020 #1
Joe Lockhart cited it. And I checked other sources, too, to verify the facts mentioned. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #3
Your post might be pulled without more backup Sloumeau Jan 2020 #5
Thanks! And see reply 6. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #7
Yes it is, but the material in the article is correct and the OP pointed out why he/she used it. George II Jan 2020 #4
Thanks! highplainsdem Jan 2020 #11
Here -- ehrnst's thread cites a Daily Beast article: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #6
He's unelectable. He might have made it in the bizarre 2016 election, MH1 Jan 2020 #2
The 2016 primaries would have been VERY different had this been widely distributed then Zolorp Jan 2020 #8
The truth about Sanders ideology has been well-known to students of politics for a long time. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #9
I had no clue until a few days ago Zolorp Jan 2020 #10
hrc didn't go low on sanders, so this never came out.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #52
I find this interesting... tonedevil Jan 2020 #12
I take it as an anyone but a Democrat doctrine...and not much has changed IMHO Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #13
You feel comfortable... tonedevil Jan 2020 #14
Read my post...anyone but a Democrat for Sanders period...that the person was Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #16
The use of Black Panther... tonedevil Jan 2020 #18
See my post #19, repeated here: George II Jan 2020 #21
Yes I highlighted Black Panther... tonedevil Jan 2020 #23
Wait...what? The author notes that the SWP candidate is a former Black Panther. lapucelle Jan 2020 #26
In the writing... tonedevil Jan 2020 #28
Black Panther is used to decribe a member of a particular group of 1960's political activists, lapucelle Jan 2020 #34
I think the author used it... tonedevil Jan 2020 #37
The author used it when he described Mr. Mason as a SWP candidate. lapucelle Jan 2020 #39
You are satisfied that the way... tonedevil Jan 2020 #42
The author is using SWP candidate, former Black Panther, psychotherapist, & former NAACP official lapucelle Jan 2020 #44
It appears neither of us... tonedevil Jan 2020 #45
The point was that he/she was a non-Democrat. Sanders wanted another Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #30
Many Black Panthers... tonedevil Jan 2020 #32
"Former" Black Panther. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #53
I'm not surprised. /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #55
About what? (n/t) OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #57
That's your highlight, not the writer's. If you go to Mel Mason's wikipedia page you'll see.... George II Jan 2020 #19
It is used to discredit Mr. Mason. /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #20
In what way? It's merely a statement of fact devoid of any characterization whatsoever.... George II Jan 2020 #22
It is stated in such a way... tonedevil Jan 2020 #24
I reread that part and don't find it as the author attempting to discredit Mt. Mason... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #31
I am not surprised. /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #33
Obviously, I am missing something here...I guess you think calling someone a Black Panther is bad... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #38
I think it was used... tonedevil Jan 2020 #40
I don't think it really matters...as the point is Sanders has been anti-Democratic Party for decades Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #47
It is stated as a biographical fact, just like "now a psychotherapist and former NAACP" are. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #41
I am glad that sanders is finally getting vetted Gothmog Jan 2020 #15
If someone is going to run on their record, then their whole record is going to be examined. ehrnst Jan 2020 #17
1980? A lot of today's voters wren't even alive then. This thing about going back that many totodeinhere Jan 2020 #25
He was asked recently and refused to comment.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #54
I would need to see the context and what was specifically asked and what he specifically totodeinhere Jan 2020 #62
Sanders was still defending the Cuba Revolution in 1980, 23 years later? Didn't the Soviet Union... George II Jan 2020 #27
KR Cha Jan 2020 #29
This proves that Sanders is completely unelectable anywhere else except Vermont NYMinute Jan 2020 #35
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #36
Within the dates of the above article, Sanders also endorsed and campaigned for Jesse Jackson floppyboo Jan 2020 #43
gee its too bad no one EVER grows or changes viewpoints in FORTY YEARS Takket Jan 2020 #46
KnR sheshe2 Jan 2020 #48
Another day another thread trashing bernie Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #49
Another Vetting day.. No one is exempt. Cha Jan 2020 #56
Nobody is trashing Bernie. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #58
I don't see a problem with this. David__77 Jan 2020 #60
Kick NYMinute Jan 2020 #50
K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #51
A black socialist steel worker running for president. David__77 Jan 2020 #59
K&R RandySF Jan 2020 #61
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
1. The Washington Examiner is a Conservative Rag
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:36 AM
Jan 2020

You might want to look for a secondary source.

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highplainsdem

(49,060 posts)
3. Joe Lockhart cited it. And I checked other sources, too, to verify the facts mentioned.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:38 AM
Jan 2020

I'm using that one because it's concise.

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highplainsdem

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7. Thanks! And see reply 6.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:11 PM
Jan 2020
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George II

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4. Yes it is, but the material in the article is correct and the OP pointed out why he/she used it.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:40 AM
Jan 2020
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highplainsdem

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6. Here -- ehrnst's thread cites a Daily Beast article:
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jan 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=430964



https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-backed-irans-defenders


Sanders would like the public to believe, as an AP story put it, that “democratic socialism [is] the economic philosophy that has guided his political career.” But that has not always been the case. In 1977, he left the tiny left-wing Liberty Union Party of Vermont that he’d co-founded, and in 1980 instead aligned himself with the Socialist Workers Party (SWP), the self-proclaimed Trotskyist revolutionary party, became its presidential elector in Vermont, and campaigned for its candidates and platform that defended the Iranian hostage seizure.

In fact, the SWP’s position on Iran is part of what distinguishes it from democratic socialist groups. When its presidential candidate, Andrew Pulley, came to speak at the University of Vermont in October 1980, Sanders chaired the meeting. Pulley attracted only 40 students to his rally, where he concentrated, according to the SWP’s newspaper The Militant, “on the Iran-Iraq war,” and condemned “anti-Iranian hysteria around the U.S. hostages.” Military action against Iran was not at that point theoretical—Pulley’s speech came six months after the attempt to free the hostages in Operation Eagle Claw had failed.

-snip-

Six months after the 1980 election, on May 21, 1981, Sanders spoke at another Pulley rally. “For the last 40 years,” Sanders said, “the Socialist Workers Party has… been harassed, informed upon, had their offices broken into, had members of their party fired from their jobs, and have been treated with cold contempt by the United States government.” Even worse, he went on, apparently referring to the Iranian hostage crisis, “now anybody who stands up and fights and says things is automatically a terrorist.” He claimed that he had been investigated himself by the FBI because “I was an elector for the Socialist Workers Party,” referring to his formal role in the 1980 election with the Trotskyists.

The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. Asked about the SWP in 1988, Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington and a congressional candidate, talked down the connection, saying that: “I was asked to put my name on the ballot and I did, that’s true." Today, no mention of Sanders’ association with the SWP appears in any campaign biography he has issued. But Sanders remained tied to the party after 1980. He was a featured speaker at a Boston rally for the SWP’s Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate and the party’s slate for Congress in 1982, the year after he was narrowly elected mayor of Burlington. In 1984, he again spoke on behalf of the SWP’s presidential candidate, this time former Black Panther Mel Mason, telling The Militant that “at a time when the Democratic and Republican parties are intellectually and spiritually bankrupt, it is imperative for radical voices to be heard which offer fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." It remains unclear when Sanders’s affiliation with the SWP ended.
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MH1

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2. He's unelectable. He might have made it in the bizarre 2016 election,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:37 AM
Jan 2020

before people had so much time to dig in this much. (Although the pros would have gotten to this stuff so I should probably revise my thinking that he might have won in 2016.)

He has ZERO chance this year unless the GOP completely implodes, even more than they already have .. and they won't. The combination of "moron vote" plus electoral college, puts us at a huge disadvantage to start with.

(Never mind that for all the warts, a Sanders presidency would be SO much better than Trump's. It's irrelevant if it can't happen.)

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Zolorp

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8. The 2016 primaries would have been VERY different had this been widely distributed then
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:15 PM
Jan 2020

He would never have even gotten past the early states then.

I'm glad they're vetting him now when they didn't vet him then.

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The Valley Below

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9. The truth about Sanders ideology has been well-known to students of politics for a long time.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jan 2020

It has remained largely unknown to the general public partially due to obfuscation and partially due to the fact that his Democratic opponents have not hammered him with "opposition research."

But he would never survive a general election with his record.

Let's not make a yuge mistake.

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Zolorp

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10. I had no clue until a few days ago
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jan 2020

I wasn't wrapped up in 2016 and couldn't make up my mind until the day before the primary in my state when I decided to go with Hillary. I could have easily gone for Sanders, too. It was a last minute decision for me and I really didn't pay a lot of attention to it. I've always mostly gone with the flow in these things and always vote for the Democrats in general elections because my family always did that.

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getagrip_already

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52. hrc didn't go low on sanders, so this never came out....
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:28 PM
Jan 2020

It was a 2 person race, and she was ahead, so her team made the strategic decision to not attack.

Now, it's a 5 way race, and sanders has gone low against several. Glass, meet stone.

But people here are correct, he is un-electable in the GE. He will get railroaded to an epic loss, and democracy along with him.

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tonedevil

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12. I find this interesting...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:07 PM
Jan 2020
Four years later, he backed and campaigned for the SWP presidential nominee Mel Mason, a former Black Panther, saying it was important for there to be "fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology
.

It seems the author doesn't just vilify Socialists he finds Black Panther to be an epithet as well.
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Demsrule86

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13. I take it as an anyone but a Democrat doctrine...and not much has changed IMHO
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020
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tonedevil

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14. You feel comfortable...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

writing off someone because they are or have been a Black Panther?

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Demsrule86

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16. Read my post...anyone but a Democrat for Sanders period...that the person was
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jan 2020

a Black Panther is irrelevant. It is all about options for Sanders so people don't have to vote for a Democrats...as you might imagine, as a Democrat, I object to this sort of thing. vote blue no matter who...not third party.

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tonedevil

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18. The use of Black Panther...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jan 2020

as a way of saying someone is a well understood bad person is exactly what I am objecting to so it is relevant. As far as I know many Black Panthers are registered as Democrats and run as such.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
21. See my post #19, repeated here:
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

That's your highlight, not the writer's. If you go to Mel Mason's wikipedia page you'll see that the FIRST sentence under "Political Activism" is

Mason joined the Black Panther Party in 1968


So what's the big deal? Was he a member of the Black Panther Party? Looks like you're the one concluding that it's "a way of saying someone is a well understood bad person.."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_T._Mason
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tonedevil

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23. Yes I highlighted Black Panther...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jan 2020

The author uses it as one of his points to discredit Mr. Mason.

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lapucelle

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26. Wait...what? The author notes that the SWP candidate is a former Black Panther.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020

Where does he use it as a point to discredit Mr, Mason?

Four years later, [BS] backed and campaigned for the SWP presidential nominee Mel Mason, a former Black Panther, saying it was important for there to be "fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology."


The author also says this about Mr. Mason in the article:

But Mason, 75, now a psychotherapist and former NAACP official living in California, indicated that after the 1980s, he and Sanders had drifted apart, and Sanders began touting insufficiently radical policies.

"We had a long-distance relationship, but that kind of changed after he ran for Congress. I didn't have as much contact anymore. I have a lot of respect for him, but I just don't think the programs he put forward are what workers need in this country," Mason said. "We were calling for the formation of an independent revolutionary labor party. We felt that it was necessary for workers in this country to enact a revolution."


Where is the part where the author discredits Mr. Mason for being a former member of the Black Panthers?



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tonedevil

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28. In the writing...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:31 PM
Jan 2020

it is all part of praising Russia, China, and Cuba. As a white person who knows and talks to lots of white people Black Panther is used to describe dangerous black people. I have to admit I am only speculating from what I read. Maybe the author has a deep respect for the Black Panthers and my cynicism is keeping me from seeing that.

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lapucelle

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34. Black Panther is used to decribe a member of a particular group of 1960's political activists,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:55 PM
Jan 2020

Like Mr. Mason, Congressman Bobby Rush is a former Black Panther.

Bobby Lee Rush (born November 23, 1946) is an American politician, activist, pastor, and the U.S. Representative for Illinois's 1st congressional district, serving in Congress for more than two decades.

A civil rights activist during the 1960s, Rush founded the Illinois chapter of the Black Panthers.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush

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tonedevil

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37. I think the author used it...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jan 2020

as part of the laundry list of things bad about people Sanders endorsed/endorses.

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lapucelle

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39. The author used it when he described Mr. Mason as a SWP candidate.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:19 PM
Jan 2020

Later in the article, the author gives another description based on Mr. Mason's work and affiliations since that run:

But Mason, 75, now a psychotherapist and former NAACP official living in California, indicated that after the 1980s, he and Sanders had drifted apart, and Sanders began touting insufficiently radical policies.


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tonedevil

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42. You are satisfied that the way...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:25 PM
Jan 2020

the author used Black Panther had no racial animus, I'm skeptical of his intentions. I see us at an impasse and can't think of anything more to add.

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lapucelle

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44. The author is using SWP candidate, former Black Panther, psychotherapist, & former NAACP official
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jan 2020

all as biographical details. If there were racial animus, that list would probably have been shorter.

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tonedevil

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45. It appears neither of us...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jan 2020

can add to what we have said before.

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Demsrule86

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30. The point was that he/she was a non-Democrat. Sanders wanted another
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

choice other than Democrats...I don't even remember any Black Panthers so it is meaningless to me.

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tonedevil

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32. Many Black Panthers...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:46 PM
Jan 2020

have registered as Democrats and run as such. I don't honestly recall anyone running for office as a Black Panther.

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OilemFirchen

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53. "Former" Black Panther.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jan 2020
You seem to be focused on this as an epithet. No one else seems to be buying it.
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tonedevil

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55. I'm not surprised. /nt
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:23 PM
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George II

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19. That's your highlight, not the writer's. If you go to Mel Mason's wikipedia page you'll see....
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jan 2020

....that the FIRST sentence under "Political Activism" is

Mason joined the Black Panther Party in 1968


I don't see the significance of you calling that out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_T._Mason
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tonedevil

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20. It is used to discredit Mr. Mason. /nt
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:37 PM
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George II

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22. In what way? It's merely a statement of fact devoid of any characterization whatsoever....
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jan 2020

...except that implied by you.

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tonedevil

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24. It is stated in such a way...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jan 2020

that it indicates being a Black Panther is one of the things wrong with Mr. Mason.

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Demsrule86

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31. I reread that part and don't find it as the author attempting to discredit Mt. Mason...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jan 2020
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tonedevil

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33. I am not surprised. /nt
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:47 PM
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Demsrule86

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38. Obviously, I am missing something here...I guess you think calling someone a Black Panther is bad...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jan 2020

I just don't care. That seems to be ancient history to me.

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tonedevil

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40. I think it was used...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020

to be an example of a bad thing that people Sanders endorsed did. I believe the Black Panthers were a very good organization that was one of the chief victims of cointelpro.

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Demsrule86

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47. I don't think it really matters...as the point is Sanders has been anti-Democratic Party for decades
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:24 PM
Jan 2020

And I don't think any would disagree that he has...

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lapucelle

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41. It is stated as a biographical fact, just like "now a psychotherapist and former NAACP" are. N/T
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:24 PM
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Gothmog

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15. I am glad that sanders is finally getting vetted
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jan 2020

sanders is a very weak candidate who would be destroyed. The Clinton campaign had a 101 page memo with 1000 pages of back up of oppo on sanders but never had to use because sanders was never a serious candidate.



sanders had been mathematically eliminate by the results of the super Tuesday contests and so there was no need to use this oppo
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ehrnst

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17. If someone is going to run on their record, then their whole record is going to be examined.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jan 2020

No exceptions.

If they are going to run by pointing out contradictions or problematic actions in other candidate's records, their own are going to be pointed out.

No exceptions.

I anticipate much anger over this, and not much in the way of explanations.

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totodeinhere

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25. 1980? A lot of today's voters wren't even alive then. This thing about going back that many
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jan 2020

years to try to get something on a candidate is not helpful IMO. Lets talk about the here and now. And BTW, I said the same thing about people using this same tactic to try to get Biden for something he did a long time ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=429339

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getagrip_already

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54. He was asked recently and refused to comment....
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:36 PM
Jan 2020

That makes it current. He could disavow his former positions, but won't.

So the age of the issue becomes current.

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totodeinhere

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62. I would need to see the context and what was specifically asked and what he specifically
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:53 PM
Jan 2020

said in response. I can't rely on paraphrasing

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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Sanders was still defending the Cuba Revolution in 1980, 23 years later? Didn't the Soviet Union...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jan 2020

...defend and support the Cuba Revolution and subsequent government?

Where was Sanders during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Oh wait, that was during JFK's administration - the President who Sanders said made him physically nauseated.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
35. This proves that Sanders is completely unelectable anywhere else except Vermont
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jan 2020

Trump wil eviscerate, pulverize , puree and excoriate Sanders over this and he will lose 49 states.

Anyone who thinks he has any chance in the GE has extremely thick blinders on AND is very high on koolaid.

Goodbye Sanders -- drop out already. You're no Democrat, you're a Marxist in Democratic clothing.

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
43. Within the dates of the above article, Sanders also endorsed and campaigned for Jesse Jackson
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jan 2020

"But his personal files from his time as mayor of Burlington, from 1981 to 1989, archived at the University of Vermont, show that he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP and maintained a close relationship with its senior members."

Social justice did have/will have people who support it, irrelevant of labels, and those who don't, because of labels.

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Takket

(21,652 posts)
46. gee its too bad no one EVER grows or changes viewpoints in FORTY YEARS
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:04 PM
Jan 2020


This should not have any influence on who anyone votes for in the primaries or general.
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Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
49. Another day another thread trashing bernie
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(297,862 posts)
56. Another Vetting day.. No one is exempt.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
58. Nobody is trashing Bernie.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jan 2020

It's vetting. It's shining the light.

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David__77

(23,559 posts)
60. I don't see a problem with this.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:18 PM
Jan 2020

It reminds me of that Jeremiah Wright nonsense.

The generational split is striking to me.

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David__77

(23,559 posts)
59. A black socialist steel worker running for president.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jan 2020

I can think of a lot worse things!

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