Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhy I'm glad that Minnesota has switched to primaries for presidential races.
Since 2008, I have been the precinct chair in my precinct in St. Paul. In 2008, 2012, and 2016, I was also the chair of our precinct caucuses, where a vote was held for the presidential primary candidates. As it happened, 2008 and 2016 had the largest turnouts at precinct caucus meetings that anyone had ever seen. In 2012, however, almost nobody showed up, since the outcome was eminently predictable.
In 2008, my first precinct caucus, we had an extraordinary turnout of black voters in my precinct, which is about 25% black. In fact, the majority of caucus attendees were black. In 2016, we had two black voters at that caucus. In 2012, only six people showed up at the caucus meeting. Why do I mention that? Because precinct caucuses do not reflect the population of the precinct very well at all. In 2016, we had an extraordinary turnout of young voters, who had not been in evidence in 2008 at all.
Caucuses do not reflect the will of the voters in a precinct in any real way. Instead, they represent sheer enthusiasm. In 2008, Barack Obama won almost unanimously in the vote taken at the caucus. In 2012, he got all six votes. In 2016, Bernie Sanders won 60% of the vote, with Hillary Clinton getting 40%. As soon as the caucus convened, I predicted that outcome, based on the turnout and who bothered to come to the caucus meeting.
In 2020, we will have a primary election instead. Finally, our state legislature, in a bi-partisan vote, recognized that the caucuses did not accurately represent the will of the population in individual precincts. So, the caucuses are done. No more. We will have primaries, instead. On the Democratic Party primary ballot, everyone who declared a candidacy will appear. On the Republican primary ballot, only Donald J. Trump's name will appear. There you have the difference between the two parties.
Far fewer will vote in the Republican primary than in the Democratic Primary. I've never been to a Republican caucus, so I can't tell you what went on in those. I can tell you what went on in the Democratic caucuses, though. All of the ones I chaired were peaceful and calm. They accurately reflected the opinions of the people who attended, but the people who attended were very different in each of those three caucuses. In 2016, Minnesota also had a primary election in June which included presidential candidates for the two parties. It didn't count for much in delegate allocation, but was a sort of test of the primary idea. While Sanders got 60% of the vote at the caucuses, he lost in that primary election, demonstrating that caucuses do not reflect the will of the voters of Minnesota.
I'm glad we have switched. I liked the caucus system for its ability to attract people who could represent the precinct at the State Senate District convention as delegates. At that convention, delegates were selected for other party conventions as well. Ending the caucuses and their elections for presidential primary candidates will probably destroy that delegate selection process. That is not a good thing. But, primaries will better reflect the will of the voters, and far more people will have a chance to participate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
33taw
(2,448 posts)It always impacts working folks, parents, and they elderly. Turnout is small compared to the voting population.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)supporters of a candidate to dominate the caucus vote. That's what happened in my precinct in 2008 and 2016. High turnout of supporters of a particular candidate skewed the results strongly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)But tradition
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)before the next presidential election year.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)I'm glad MN switched to a primary
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,922 posts)and they have changed over the years. In the last couple of elections you could just show up and vote first, without sticking around for all the party business. This did encourage more people to vote but still had the effect of attracting only the most enthusiastic voters. And that process became a PITA, too. One of the more recent caucuses for my precinct combined all of the meetings for several precincts in a single school building, with the result that there was no place to park for blocks around, and people had to wait in a blocks-long line just to get into the building to vote. It's still cold in Minnesota in March.
Part of the whole process used to involve proposing resolutions to take to the district and state conventions. Some of these resolutions were extreme or stupid and wasted a lot of time with discussions that sometimes got a bit heated. I recall one caucus many years ago that ended up in a shouting match with a bunch of angry nuns over abortion. It is also true that the results of the candidate allocation were not representative of the voters as a whole. In one election the majority of my precinct's votes went to Kucinich, but only because - as happens so often - the more extreme candidates and positions were represented by the most ardent and implacable fanboys, who would plan in advance to show up and take over.
I'm glad we switched to a primary process. I'm not too happy about having to declare a party preference, since Minnesota does not require voters to register with a party and there are legitimate concerns about privacy, but I understand that this was to prevent people from switching parties only for the primary in order to cast a vote for the candidate they want their actual preferred party to run against. The state GOP refused to put any candidate but Trump on their ballot, and the state Supreme Court upheld that decision, mainly because of the timing and a disinclination to interfere with a party's management of its elections. http://www.startribune.com/justices-reject-challenge-to-minnesota-gop-s-trump-only-primary-ballot/566856442/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)Horrible. Also, they didn't provide ballots for voting at all. We ended up making our own from folded quarters of paper. People wrote the name of the candidate they supported on them, folded them and put them in a paper bag for counting. Very unprofessional.
Since there were two precincts in the same crowded room, The two conveners handled the common business together, and then we divided things up, but it was chaos. I finally managed to quiet the room down so we could explain the process to everyone, and tried to make it clear which precincts were there and which desk was for each precinct to get the votes in the right bags.
Anyhow, after things quieted down, we had our votes and almost everyone left immediately, even before they were counted. We had the usual team of volunteers doing the counting and verification and reported the votes on the form provided. I have no idea whether people voted in the correct precinct though, but I supposed it didn't matter, since both are really the same neighborhood.
I've dropped out of precinct politics now. I wasn't happy with how the 2016 caucus went at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)how your post sounds so fimiliar. 2016 Precinct Caucus's here in Las Vegas were,for the most part,captured by two competing Camps. And yes,my Caucus Precient as well as four other Precincts all met at the same Junior High which posed issues with crowding and of course Parking.
Have to say,if it had not been for the two Unions representing the Hospitality Industry,there would not have been as many participants. Again,it would have been 2012 all over were maybe we had like six people from my Precinct show up.
Nevada State Legislature was to have a Primary this year but that did not happen. Back to the old Caucus system. Primaries garner a true value of a Candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)Caucuses are easy to game
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden