Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumTrump would love to run against the weakest Democratic candidate.
And that is obvious, even to someone as ignorant as Trump. And the leaders of the GOP, correctly seeing Trump as a useful idiot, will do everything to support Trump in the 2020 election.
Which brings up the question so often debated here.
Who is the strongest candidate? I say strongest because, in my view, there are no weak candidates among the top 4 running on the Democratic side. None.
Remember the 2018 elections, where a blue wave swept the GOP from the House and returned control to the Democrats. And remember that turnout, an energized electorate, was key.
Remember also that, as discouraging as it might sound, a large percentage of voters does not really follow the day to day of politics. Yes, Rachel Maddow's 2 shows featuring Lev Parnas rated the highest of any cable shows ever, but this level of interest is the exception. I would say that more voters follow sports than follow politics.
The question for us, as political activists, is how do we generate enthusiasm among the politically unenthusiastic for whoever the Democratic nominee is?
We do it by general outreach to voters.
We do it by canvassing in our areas.
We do it by writing letters to the newspaper.
We do it by organizing events in our areas.
We do it on social media by emphasizing the positive aspect of voting for the Democratic candidate.
We do it by ignoring the purity police who will attack whichever candidate is not their own preferred candidate.
Related to that, we do it by emphasizing that in 2016, most Democratic voters voted for HRC, not a spoiler.
And we remember that in 2016, approximately 47% of people eligible to vote did not vote at all. Part of that is due to GOP suppression, and intimidation, but part of that can be remedied by us doing what I pointed out above.
It is our job to reach out to the apathetic.
It is our job to help the unregistered to re-register, and to educate them as to the dangers of not voting in every election.
And if we do this, directly, or at least by contributing to organizations that are doing this, we will make the 2018 blue wave look pathetic by comparison to the blue tsunami of 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,275 posts)since day 1. what we should really be choosing is someone who has the coattails to wash the swamp clean.
one of the things i like about bloomie is all the money he put into 18.
that is my #1 issue- who has the coattails? who will help us take the senate, too?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But we as voters must do more than just vote. We too must engage in outreach.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,275 posts)she has jan schakowsky on her team. dont know what they are doing in iowa, but i can tell you that a lot of people will tell you that there is no obama w/o the lean, mean 9th dist campaign machine. and it's only gotten stronger and more well oiled since then.
some folks here might remember christine cegelis, who forced henry hyde to retire, but lost her second primary by a hair to tammy duckworth. we remain friends, and she is hard core team warren.
imho, she might just be the upset winner in iowa.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And I canvassed for signatures for a Warren delegate.
At this point, our group is engaged in voter outreach by canvassing and phone banking, and we are holding a candidates forum for the 3rd District soon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,275 posts)jesus what a smelly, oozing open sore on the party that idiot is.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)We recently sat in at one of Lipinski's offices. He rarely holds Town Hall meetings. He seems to be afraid of his constituents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Better in my view that we all do what we can to energize the apathetic, and educate the ignorant among us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I am working for Marie Newman in the Il 3rd District, and for Elizabeth Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but we are able to work for Democrats, and we are.
Good luck in your work, and I look forward to working enthusiastically for the eventual Democratic nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)Link to tweet
In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.
If I were a campaign manager for Donald Trump and I look at the field, I would very much want to run against Bernie Sanders, Messina said. I think the contrast is the best. He can say, Im a business guy, the economys good and this guys a socialist. I think that contrast for Trump is likely one that hed be excited about in a way that he wouldnt be as excited about Biden or potentially Mayor Pete or some of the more Midwestern moderate candidates.....
From a general election perspective, socialism is not going to be what Democrats are going to want to defend, Messina added.If youre the Democratic nominee for the Montana Senate race, you dont want to spend the election talking about socialism.
Messina is the latest Democrat to raise concerns about Sanders at the top of the ticket. Endangered House Democrats are coalescing around Biden because of concerns that Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could threaten their reelection hopes, POLITICO reported Saturday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)about people getting involved in voter outreach, and associated things, do you have anything to say about my actual post, or will you ignore it so you can epitomize what I see as failing to see the entire issue here?
If you wish to continue as you have started, I would see no point in engaging further.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)I am very active in Texas trying to turn Texas blue. I have been volunteering a ton of time on voter protection efforts starting in 2004 when I was part of the Kerry Edwards voter protection team. I have been training poll watchers, fighting true the vote assholes, running war rooms and working on voter rights issues for a very long time.
In Texas, we had 101 republicans in the Texas house after the 2010 elections compared to 49 Democrats. Right now we are 9 seats away from taking control of the Texas house and having the ability to block GOP control of Texas redistricting in 2021. Texas is projected to pick up 3 congressional seats. I am working on the Eliz Markowitz campaign and was at a fundraiser Thursday night when Joe Biden endorsed Eliz
Link to tweet
The candidate makes a difference and I strongly disagree with the premise on your OP.
I will continue to work in the real world to turn Texas blue but do not expect me to ignore the real world
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And in that not too distant past, in that real world,
I would suggest that if you, or others here, dismiss the 47% pool of unmotivated voters, you are missing a huge part of the way to insure continued victories for Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,294 posts)I unfortunately cant see Biden going toe to toe with trump, I just dont see him winning a war of words with the skills trump has in twisting and dramatizing and caricaturizing.
Lest we forget one of the main dynamic drivers for trump.... I think the reason he was trying to go after Biden was not because he feared running against him the most, but because hed especially love to beat Obamas VP.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)In 2016 a whole lot of Democratic strategists thought we hit the jackpot when Clinton got to run against the weakest Republican candidate of them all; Donald Trump/
Conventional wisdom sometimes has the disadvantage of being... conventional.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And, as a precursor to Trump, we must also remember that Reagan conspired with the Iranians in his election against Carter.
A motivated base is essential.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)From the post:
It is our job to reach out to the apathetic.
It is our job to help the unregistered to re-register, and to educate them as to the dangers of not voting in every election.
And if we do this, directly, or at least by contributing to organizations that are doing this, we will make the 2018 blue wave look pathetic by comparison to the blue tsunami of 2020.
So what is your response to this?
As to your contention, it is pure speculation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)I live in the real world and I understood the point you were attempting to make but I strongly disagree with the premise of your post. We need to nominate the most electable candidate to help voter turnout.
I and a large number of real democrats have been working hard to turn Texas blue. We got up to 46% of voting age voters and 59% of registered voters in 2016. In 2018, Texas saw a great increase in voter turnout compared to 2014 https://www.texastribune.org/2018/12/07/texas-voter-turnout-sixth-highest-increase-2018-midterms/
But that wasnt good enough to get Texas out of the bottom half of states, as it still lagged behind the national average and trailed all but 10 states this year, according to the United States Elections Project, which tracks the turnout rate of eligible voters nationwide.
Voter turnout in the 2018 Texas midterm elections increased by 18 percentage points compared with the previous midterms, the country's sixth-highest increase. Nationwide, turnout increased by 13 percentage points from 2014 to 2018.
Out of the voting-eligible population in Texas, 46.3 percent voted in 2018. Nationwide, turnout was 50.1 percent.
In the real world, we are working on increasing voter turnout. I am working on the campaign for Sri Preston Kulkarni who is mobilizing Asian voters with a program that is calling these voters in their native language (in 2018, calls were made in 16 different languages). In the real world, people are working on voter turnout. As noted in other posts, Beto is working on flipping the Texas state house.
I am amused by sanders supporters thinking that sanders has some magical way to increase voter turnout. The NYT dismissed the claim that sanders had the ability to mobilize voters with some sort of voter revolution
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Like the NYT, I have questions about this voter revolution concept. I have asked sanders supporters to explain this concept to me and so far no one seems to know how this voter revolution will work in the real world https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=430371
64. Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world?
It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?
I look forward to answers to these questions
sanders interview with the NYT may have gone better if he had explained how this revolution would work in the real world. I am still curious
Right now, we will continue to do the hard work to increase voter turnout with methods that do not rely on voter revolutions. That means selecting candidates who will help down ballot candidates. If sanders or Warren is the nominee, we can write off Texas as a battleground state. I am focused on candidates who can help down ballot candidates by increasing turnout. If a weak or too far left candidate like sanders or Warren is at the top of the ticket, we can forget about down ballot candidates in Texas
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But there are differences of opinion as to how we motivated the unmotivated.
And at this point, any comments about who is electable or unelectable is speculation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)As I have noted in other posts, I have been volunteering for years on voter protection issues. We have been fighting GOP voter suppression efforts for a while. One good example was the Texas voter id law. In 2008, the SCOTUS rejected a facial challenge to the Indiana voter id law. In 2014 a federal district judge found that the Texas voter id law discriminated against minorities. Here is a chart that shows the effect of the Texas voter id law on Democratic turnout
Greg Abbott got more votes in 2014 compared to Rick Perry while Wendy Davis got far fewer votes even though she spent more. Part of the increase in voter turnout in 2018 compared to 2014 was the gutting of the Texas voter id law.
In 2016 the 5th Circuit affirmed this ruling and the Texas voter id law was largely gutted so that any registered voter can vote if they lack one of the approved ids and sign a Reasonable Impediment Declaration and provide one of the alternative ids which includes utility bills or bank statements. For college students, out of state drivers license are an approved id
Chad Dunn (the outside counsel for the Texas Democratic Party) was lead counsel on this lawsuit and Marc Veasey (one of Joe Biden's early endorsers) was the lead plaintiff in this case.
The best way to fight the GOP is to fight the GOP voter suppression. Marc Elias has two or three lawsuits pending against the state of Texas and the Texas Civil Rights Project has a good lawsuit on wrongful rejection of absentee ballots due to signature mismatches that will include some plaintiffs Juanita Jean sent to the TCRP.
I prefer to work on the ground to fight GOP voter suppression.
I do not believe that sanders has any way to increase voter turnout in the real world and that we need to nominate a candidate who will help down ballot candidates. If sanders or Warren is the nominee, they will kill down ballot candidates in Texas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Thank you for recognizing the critical need to engage the apathetic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden