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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:17 PM Jan 2020

Trump would love to run against the weakest Democratic candidate.

And that is obvious, even to someone as ignorant as Trump. And the leaders of the GOP, correctly seeing Trump as a useful idiot, will do everything to support Trump in the 2020 election.

Which brings up the question so often debated here.

Who is the strongest candidate? I say strongest because, in my view, there are no weak candidates among the top 4 running on the Democratic side. None.

Remember the 2018 elections, where a blue wave swept the GOP from the House and returned control to the Democrats. And remember that turnout, an energized electorate, was key.

Remember also that, as discouraging as it might sound, a large percentage of voters does not really follow the day to day of politics. Yes, Rachel Maddow's 2 shows featuring Lev Parnas rated the highest of any cable shows ever, but this level of interest is the exception. I would say that more voters follow sports than follow politics.

The question for us, as political activists, is how do we generate enthusiasm among the politically unenthusiastic for whoever the Democratic nominee is?

We do it by general outreach to voters.

We do it by canvassing in our areas.

We do it by writing letters to the newspaper.

We do it by organizing events in our areas.

We do it on social media by emphasizing the positive aspect of voting for the Democratic candidate.

We do it by ignoring the purity police who will attack whichever candidate is not their own preferred candidate.

Related to that, we do it by emphasizing that in 2016, most Democratic voters voted for HRC, not a spoiler.

And we remember that in 2016, approximately 47% of people eligible to vote did not vote at all. Part of that is due to GOP suppression, and intimidation, but part of that can be remedied by us doing what I pointed out above.

It is our job to reach out to the apathetic.

It is our job to help the unregistered to re-register, and to educate them as to the dangers of not voting in every election.

And if we do this, directly, or at least by contributing to organizations that are doing this, we will make the 2018 blue wave look pathetic by comparison to the blue tsunami of 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Trump would love to run against the weakest Democratic candidate. (Original Post) guillaumeb Jan 2020 OP
Which is why they doing all they can to help us pick that person. Historic NY Jan 2020 #1
With the help of their Russian friends/bankers. eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #3
one of the reasons i support warren is her consistent support for down ticket women. mopinko Jan 2020 #2
True. Very true. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #4
her folks are pretty busy on the ground here in illinois. mopinko Jan 2020 #8
I live near Chicago. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #10
oh please oh please oh please send lipinski packing. mopinko Jan 2020 #11
I asked Santa Claus for a Newman win this Christmas. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #12
send him to spend more time w joe walsh and peter ro-scum. mopinko Jan 2020 #15
sanders is such a weak candidate that trump would win 45+ states if sanders was the nominee Gothmog Jan 2020 #5
I see no need to engage in "who is the weakest" arguments. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #6
This is one of the campaigns that I am working on Gothmog Jan 2020 #14
Congratulations for that. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #19
Early voting in this race starts this week Gothmog Jan 2020 #21
We might have a different favorite at this time, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #22
Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie Gothmog Jan 2020 #7
Speaking of my actual point, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #9
I live in the real world and I do not want 4 more years of trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #13
Yes, the real world. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #18
Obama's camp would of course like Biden to win. Doesn't impress. JudyM Jan 2020 #20
In 1980 Jimmy Carter got his wish to run against Ronald Reagan Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #16
Very true. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #17
GOP support for sanders shows that sanders is weakest candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #23
Obviously you missed the point of the post. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #24
I live in Texas which is not a red state or a blue state but a non-voting state Gothmog Jan 2020 #25
There is no magical way to increase turnout. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #26
Again, I live in the real world and I will continue to work to turn Texas blue Gothmog Jan 2020 #29
gen x will be the largest voting block this year. That's what I'm working on. 👍 Kurt V. Jan 2020 #27
An excellent idea. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #30
Obviously, Biden. Broadest appeal by the widest margin in the swing states and BEYOND! nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #28
The GOP really wants to run against the weakest possible candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #31
 

Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
1. Which is why they doing all they can to help us pick that person.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:25 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. With the help of their Russian friends/bankers. eom
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mopinko

(70,275 posts)
2. one of the reasons i support warren is her consistent support for down ticket women.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jan 2020

since day 1. what we should really be choosing is someone who has the coattails to wash the swamp clean.

one of the things i like about bloomie is all the money he put into 18.

that is my #1 issue- who has the coattails? who will help us take the senate, too?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. True. Very true.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:28 PM
Jan 2020

But we as voters must do more than just vote. We too must engage in outreach.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mopinko

(70,275 posts)
8. her folks are pretty busy on the ground here in illinois.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jan 2020

she has jan schakowsky on her team. dont know what they are doing in iowa, but i can tell you that a lot of people will tell you that there is no obama w/o the lean, mean 9th dist campaign machine. and it's only gotten stronger and more well oiled since then.

some folks here might remember christine cegelis, who forced henry hyde to retire, but lost her second primary by a hair to tammy duckworth. we remain friends, and she is hard core team warren.

imho, she might just be the upset winner in iowa.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. I live near Chicago.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jan 2020

And I canvassed for signatures for a Warren delegate.

At this point, our group is engaged in voter outreach by canvassing and phone banking, and we are holding a candidates forum for the 3rd District soon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mopinko

(70,275 posts)
11. oh please oh please oh please send lipinski packing.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jan 2020

jesus what a smelly, oozing open sore on the party that idiot is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. I asked Santa Claus for a Newman win this Christmas.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:01 PM
Jan 2020

We recently sat in at one of Lipinski's offices. He rarely holds Town Hall meetings. He seems to be afraid of his constituents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mopinko

(70,275 posts)
15. send him to spend more time w joe walsh and peter ro-scum.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
5. sanders is such a weak candidate that trump would win 45+ states if sanders was the nominee
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. I see no need to engage in "who is the weakest" arguments.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

Better in my view that we all do what we can to energize the apathetic, and educate the ignorant among us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
14. This is one of the campaigns that I am working on
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. Congratulations for that.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jan 2020

I am working for Marie Newman in the Il 3rd District, and for Elizabeth Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
21. Early voting in this race starts this week
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:52 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
22. We might have a different favorite at this time,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jan 2020

but we are able to work for Democrats, and we are.

Good luck in your work, and I look forward to working enthusiastically for the eventual Democratic nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
7. Obama campaign guru: Trump would love to run against Bernie
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jan 2020



Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign manager is warning that Democrats would struggle in a general election against Donald Trump if Bernie Sanders is the nominee.

In an interview with POLITICO, Jim Messina predicted that Trump would exploit Sanders’ stamp of socialism in battleground states needed to defeat Trump, keep control of the House and have a shot at winning the Senate.

“If I were a campaign manager for Donald Trump and I look at the field, I would very much want to run against Bernie Sanders,” Messina said. “I think the contrast is the best. He can say, ‘I’m a business guy, the economy’s good and this guy’s a socialist.’ I think that contrast for Trump is likely one that he’d be excited about in a way that he wouldn’t be as excited about Biden or potentially Mayor Pete or some of the more Midwestern moderate candidates.”....

“From a general election perspective, socialism is not going to be what Democrats are going to want to defend,” Messina added.“If you’re the Democratic nominee for the Montana Senate race, you don’t want to spend the election talking about socialism.”

Messina is the latest Democrat to raise concerns about Sanders at the top of the ticket. Endangered House Democrats are coalescing around Biden because of concerns that Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could threaten their reelection hopes, POLITICO reported Saturday.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. Speaking of my actual point,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jan 2020

about people getting involved in voter outreach, and associated things, do you have anything to say about my actual post, or will you ignore it so you can epitomize what I see as failing to see the entire issue here?

If you wish to continue as you have started, I would see no point in engaging further.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
13. I live in the real world and I do not want 4 more years of trump
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:07 PM
Jan 2020

I am very active in Texas trying to turn Texas blue. I have been volunteering a ton of time on voter protection efforts starting in 2004 when I was part of the Kerry Edwards voter protection team. I have been training poll watchers, fighting true the vote assholes, running war rooms and working on voter rights issues for a very long time.

In Texas, we had 101 republicans in the Texas house after the 2010 elections compared to 49 Democrats. Right now we are 9 seats away from taking control of the Texas house and having the ability to block GOP control of Texas redistricting in 2021. Texas is projected to pick up 3 congressional seats. I am working on the Eliz Markowitz campaign and was at a fundraiser Thursday night when Joe Biden endorsed Eliz




The candidate makes a difference and I strongly disagree with the premise on your OP.

I will continue to work in the real world to turn Texas blue but do not expect me to ignore the real world
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
18. Yes, the real world.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jan 2020

And in that not too distant past, in that real world,

And we remember that in 2016, approximately 47% of people eligible to vote did not vote at all. Part of that is due to GOP suppression, and intimidation, but part of that can be remedied by us doing what I pointed out above.


I would suggest that if you, or others here, dismiss the 47% pool of unmotivated voters, you are missing a huge part of the way to insure continued victories for Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
20. Obama's camp would of course like Biden to win. Doesn't impress.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jan 2020

I unfortunately can’t see Biden going toe to toe with trump, I just don’t see him winning a war of words with the skills trump has in twisting and dramatizing and caricaturizing.

Lest we forget one of the main dynamic drivers for trump.... I think the reason he was trying to go after Biden was not because he feared running against him the most, but because he’d especially love to beat Obama’s VP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,918 posts)
16. In 1980 Jimmy Carter got his wish to run against Ronald Reagan
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:27 PM
Jan 2020

In 2016 a whole lot of Democratic strategists thought we hit the jackpot when Clinton got to run against the weakest Republican candidate of them all; Donald Trump/

Conventional wisdom sometimes has the disadvantage of being... conventional.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. Very true.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jan 2020

And, as a precursor to Trump, we must also remember that Reagan conspired with the Iranians in his election against Carter.

A motivated base is essential.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
23. GOP support for sanders shows that sanders is weakest candidate
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:26 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
24. Obviously you missed the point of the post.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:11 PM
Jan 2020

From the post:

And we remember that in 2016, approximately 47% of people eligible to vote did not vote at all. Part of that is due to GOP suppression, and intimidation, but part of that can be remedied by us doing what I pointed out above.

It is our job to reach out to the apathetic.

It is our job to help the unregistered to re-register, and to educate them as to the dangers of not voting in every election.

And if we do this, directly, or at least by contributing to organizations that are doing this, we will make the 2018 blue wave look pathetic by comparison to the blue tsunami of 2020.


So what is your response to this?

As to your contention, it is pure speculation.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
25. I live in Texas which is not a red state or a blue state but a non-voting state
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jan 2020

I live in the real world and I understood the point you were attempting to make but I strongly disagree with the premise of your post. We need to nominate the most electable candidate to help voter turnout.

I and a large number of real democrats have been working hard to turn Texas blue. We got up to 46% of voting age voters and 59% of registered voters in 2016. In 2018, Texas saw a great increase in voter turnout compared to 2014 https://www.texastribune.org/2018/12/07/texas-voter-turnout-sixth-highest-increase-2018-midterms/

Four years after Texas ranked near the bottom in voter turnout in the country, the state saw a double-digit percentage point increase in that figure for the 2018 midterms.

But that wasn’t good enough to get Texas out of the bottom half of states, as it still lagged behind the national average and trailed all but 10 states this year, according to the United States Elections Project, which tracks the turnout rate of eligible voters nationwide.

Voter turnout in the 2018 Texas midterm elections increased by 18 percentage points compared with the previous midterms, the country's sixth-highest increase. Nationwide, turnout increased by 13 percentage points from 2014 to 2018.

Out of the voting-eligible population in Texas, 46.3 percent voted in 2018. Nationwide, turnout was 50.1 percent.


In the real world, we are working on increasing voter turnout. I am working on the campaign for Sri Preston Kulkarni who is mobilizing Asian voters with a program that is calling these voters in their native language (in 2018, calls were made in 16 different languages). In the real world, people are working on voter turnout. As noted in other posts, Beto is working on flipping the Texas state house.

I am amused by sanders supporters thinking that sanders has some magical way to increase voter turnout. The NYT dismissed the claim that sanders had the ability to mobilize voters with some sort of voter revolution
j


Like the NYT, I have questions about this voter revolution concept. I have asked sanders supporters to explain this concept to me and so far no one seems to know how this voter revolution will work in the real world https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=430371

Gothmog (78,308 posts)
64. Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world?

It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders’ platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?

I look forward to answers to these questions

sanders interview with the NYT may have gone better if he had explained how this revolution would work in the real world. I am still curious

Right now, we will continue to do the hard work to increase voter turnout with methods that do not rely on voter revolutions. That means selecting candidates who will help down ballot candidates. If sanders or Warren is the nominee, we can write off Texas as a battleground state. I am focused on candidates who can help down ballot candidates by increasing turnout. If a weak or too far left candidate like sanders or Warren is at the top of the ticket, we can forget about down ballot candidates in Texas
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. There is no magical way to increase turnout.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jan 2020

But there are differences of opinion as to how we motivated the unmotivated.

And at this point, any comments about who is electable or unelectable is speculation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
29. Again, I live in the real world and I will continue to work to turn Texas blue
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

As I have noted in other posts, I have been volunteering for years on voter protection issues. We have been fighting GOP voter suppression efforts for a while. One good example was the Texas voter id law. In 2008, the SCOTUS rejected a facial challenge to the Indiana voter id law. In 2014 a federal district judge found that the Texas voter id law discriminated against minorities. Here is a chart that shows the effect of the Texas voter id law on Democratic turnout

Greg Abbott got more votes in 2014 compared to Rick Perry while Wendy Davis got far fewer votes even though she spent more. Part of the increase in voter turnout in 2018 compared to 2014 was the gutting of the Texas voter id law.

In 2016 the 5th Circuit affirmed this ruling and the Texas voter id law was largely gutted so that any registered voter can vote if they lack one of the approved ids and sign a Reasonable Impediment Declaration and provide one of the alternative ids which includes utility bills or bank statements. For college students, out of state drivers license are an approved id

Chad Dunn (the outside counsel for the Texas Democratic Party) was lead counsel on this lawsuit and Marc Veasey (one of Joe Biden's early endorsers) was the lead plaintiff in this case.

The best way to fight the GOP is to fight the GOP voter suppression. Marc Elias has two or three lawsuits pending against the state of Texas and the Texas Civil Rights Project has a good lawsuit on wrongful rejection of absentee ballots due to signature mismatches that will include some plaintiffs Juanita Jean sent to the TCRP.

I prefer to work on the ground to fight GOP voter suppression.

I do not believe that sanders has any way to increase voter turnout in the real world and that we need to nominate a candidate who will help down ballot candidates. If sanders or Warren is the nominee, they will kill down ballot candidates in Texas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
27. gen x will be the largest voting block this year. That's what I'm working on. 👍
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
30. An excellent idea.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jan 2020

Thank you for recognizing the critical need to engage the apathetic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
28. Obviously, Biden. Broadest appeal by the widest margin in the swing states and BEYOND! nt
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
31. The GOP really wants to run against the weakest possible candidate
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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