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brooklynite

(94,792 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:16 PM Jan 2020

Jeff Greenfield: With Biden, Will Democrats Be Both Safe and Sorry?

Politico

There’s a TV ad slogan: “Just OK is not OK,” AT&T tells us, as its commercials portray incompetent surgeons, ethically challenged tax accountants and dangerous amusement park rides. There's good reason to think it applies to presidential races, too. What happens when a party nominates a candidate who triumphs because of familiarity, or because “it’s her turn,” or because he’s steadily ascended the party ranks despite no defining passion or cause? The track record of these “default” nominees, at least in modern political history, is bleak.

Hillary Clinton is the latest and, for the Democrats, still most painful example. The combination of her experience, her family ties and the sense that (in the words of a proposed campaign slogan) it was “her turn” drove every potentially serious rival out of the 2016 race. Bernie Sanders’ surprisingly strong primary challenge was a foreshadowing of her vulnerabilities, even if the signal was mostly dismissed until about 9 p.m. on election night in November.

Four years before Hillary Clinton was defeated, the Republicans trotted out the reliable, central-casting Mitt Romney to lose to President Barack Obama, a campaign that seemed to rhyme with the time the Dems unenthusiastically fell in line for John Kerry against President George W. Bush in 2004. Keep going back, and you see candidates like these over and over, marching under flags of pale pastel, all going down to defeat in November: Al Gore, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, Gerald Ford, Hubert Humphrey and even Richard Nixon, in his first run, in 1960.

Not every election has a default candidate: The race between Obama and John McCain, for example, pitted a “maverick” Republican against an inspirational Democratic newcomer. But most do, and they tend to lose to rivals who can claim novelty or outsiderhood: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Obama, Donald Trump. (During the 2016 campaign, Trump knocked his own party’s default candidate, Jeb Bush, out of the primaries.)
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Jeff Greenfield: With Biden, Will Democrats Be Both Safe and Sorry? (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2020 OP
Good Old Joe might not be the best candidate in other times BUT Vogon_Glory Jan 2020 #1
Greenfield has devolved into a RWNJ over the last 15 years. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #2
He has...and is not honest about his views. I am sorry anyone posted this. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #3
I'm reminded of what I think of Maureen Dowd Vogon_Glory Jan 2020 #5
Greenfield said we would lose the midterms...FU Greenfield. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #6
Nope. Joe Biden is an awesome liberal Democrat and he will The Valley Below Jan 2020 #4
To take two examples dsc Jan 2020 #7
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,133 posts)
1. Good Old Joe might not be the best candidate in other times BUT
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

Unlike other times, we Democrats weren’t facing a malign narcissist who lies about as often as he speaks and can’t be trusted by most people. Trump is the first President I can remember that can get a sizable percentage of the electorate to loathe him and fear what he’d try to do next.

Even Dick Nixon, who many of us older DU’ers remember, had the aura of being a patriot and seeming to care about a percentage of the American citizenry—traits Orange Julius lacks.

Biden, for all his faults, gives off the air of someone who’d try to shift the political atmosphere back to “normalcy.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,508 posts)
2. Greenfield has devolved into a RWNJ over the last 15 years.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jan 2020

He’d find enormous fault in whoever we nominate because he wants the other side to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Demsrule86

(68,715 posts)
3. He has...and is not honest about his views. I am sorry anyone posted this.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,133 posts)
5. I'm reminded of what I think of Maureen Dowd
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jan 2020

God help you if she’s (supposedly) on your side. Look what “favors” her writings did for the Clintons and Al Gore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,715 posts)
6. Greenfield said we would lose the midterms...FU Greenfield.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/05/democrats-midterms-trump-scandal-concerns-217777



I never watch his CBS show either...CBS is unwatchable these days.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
4. Nope. Joe Biden is an awesome liberal Democrat and he will
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jan 2020

provide exactly the sort of leadership America desperately needs as an antidote to the toxic populist rage that's being fueled by the extremes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dsc

(52,169 posts)
7. To take two examples
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:31 PM
Jan 2020

Ford quite nearly beat Carter despite being behind double digits in the aftermath of the conventions. Similarly Gore closed a nearly 20 point gap to Bush on his day of announcement to win the popular vote by 0.5 and frankly he won Florida if the votes had been counted like they should have.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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