Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)He does explain how he pays for it, through new taxes.
But I dont like the idea that millionaires get this income.
Nor do I agree that those already getting $1000 in assistance should be left out.
If this program is to be implemented, it should be based upon income and need.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)People shouldn't be lured with fairy tales.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)He does say how the program would be paid for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And here's the full video
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)He admits that 90% of Harvard students picked plan a - the means tested plan. And admits that plan a has the more progressive tax.
Which begs the question why Yang keeps arguing for plan B, if plan a is both more progressive and easier to sell to the public.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And that number is going to keep growing.
Right now those people are / may be eligible for some form of aid or another - but many won't get it. Whether due to the humiliation and stigma, the ridiculous rules, or whatever.
It's easier to sell because we still have this Puritan work ethic mindset. And that's also why we have so many people living on the streets, or in their cars. Progressive tax plans are not helping them. They have not been helping them for decades. I'm ready to try a trickle up economy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Shows it isnt an easier sell.
The easier sell is the means tested income plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)so we should just do that?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
You dont want the aid. Youd rather not get anything, then change the message to one that works.
Got it.
And your tax example doesnt work. The choice isnt between raising taxes or cutting them. Its between selling a plan giving additional income...
In which, one way got 90% approval, but because it isnt plan B language, you Wont use it, and thus get nothing instead.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)We need to get any plan through Congress.
Students at Harvard maybe aren't the best focus group for determining what can be expected to pass.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)You did.
And the video you posted showed that 90% of Harvard students agree with me.
If I had a focus group and 90% of respondents said burger A tasted better then burger B, you better believe Id sell burger A.
If you have a video that shows 90% of Yale students picked plan B, then post it.
Otherwise, I think you should reconsider. Is it the income you care for, or the language used to get it enacted.
Id care for the actual results.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)But I do think it is ironic that you seem to be advocating for messaging that's tailored to the opinions of college students.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Is better tailored to getting the income passed.
I dont think older voters, of which I am one, would prefer B either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)That the very last minority candidate is being judged by Ivy League elitists whose schools have been found to discriminate against East Asians.
It's all about the money as usual.
The Empire has decided that the majority of Imperial Credits should be super concentrated in the hands of 650 American billionaires.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)We are going to have to have UBI, sooner than most think. It would literally help every American citizen 18 and over (excepting only during time spent in jail) - how is that somehow not enough?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)By exempting necessities, and hiking the VAT on luxury goods, this form of tax along with UBI is one of the most fair and efficient forms of wealth redistribution.
So although yes, Jeff Bezos will be eligible to opt in to his $1000/mo dividend, he will be paying in WAY more than that in taxes.
As for existing programs - which are based on income and need - they leave too many people out. That is what we are trying to fix. Only a fraction of people eligible for SNAP / TANF actually get it. Only a fraction who are disabled get disability, and that often takes years. Why continue fucking over people on need, just to prevent the few at the top from getting a fraction of their taxes back in the form of this dividend?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)So those in need get it.
Id rather see that then the Trump family getting a check they dont need.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)for decades.
Obviously the same old same old simply does not work.
We will need UBI eventually regardless - so why wait? Republicans are now championing it. Are we going to let them implement this revolutionary change?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)A VAT, like all forms of flat taxes, is regressive. Period. It doesn't matter how much a person pays, it matters how much a person pays as a percentage of their income or wealth.
BTW, fuck Ron Paul.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Also, how do you think European countries pay for their awesome safety net and other social spending?
It astounds me that one of the most un-loopholeable forms of taxation, which almost every other developed country uses BECAUSE it is so hard to dodge, is so demonized here. Oh wait no it doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided