Many families scrimp and save for decades to make college for children as debt-free as possible. That's a real sacrifice.

People who felt they did the right thing will feel burned under such loan forgiveness plans.

to repay it.

Warren's plan isn't as crazy, but I've seen analyses showing that by forgiving up to $50,000 of debt for families making up to $250,000 a year, most of the debt forgiven will benefit the upper middle class rather than the working class or the poor.

College is as necessary today as High School was 50 years ago.

NOT over priced, over rated college.
I've said it before and i'll say it again; many of the most successful people I know dont have college degrees. The wealthiest person I know doesnt have one. And was raised in rural GA in a small town.

I've done well, but I had a lot of training and courses that were not college, like most folks you and I know. My kids have degrees and they needed them to do what they were doing.

I believe both her and Sanders propose free college or technical training for all who want it, and qualify for it (you’d still have to pass an SAT to get in)

programs. I would like to see a two year national service as part of it. I'd also like to see a State Department Academy, a Government Service Academy on a par to the military academies established, also.

Warren would likely leave out a lot of expensive private universities. I like Warren's plan more, but she needs to figure out how to reward parents that scrimped and saved to reduce the amount of loan debt their kids get exposed to.

I think it is not. Very far from ideal, in fact.

at some point, will that mean that we somehow screwed over people like me who have been paying off high medical bills for the last ten years? No. And I wouldn’t even think in terms of being screwed over. Not to mention paying college tuition the last two years for baby blm.

Why, that must make me a dyed in the wool liberal Democrat who can’t be made to feel resentment towards those benefitting from my votes for progress as a nation.

Jesus Christ. If we are to take this attitude - where does it end?

They've got us right where they want us...fighting over scraps. Their scraps.

I'm with you, BLM.

That is hardly "ideal."

Many eschewed high dollar universities, or went to community colleges, and worked--and parents sacrificed and paid the bills, while the Warren plans is "too bad for you."

That won't fly.

She never said that.

Warren seemed unmoved by his situation.

In that I think that it is she who is out-of-step with the vast majority of Americans.

Tone-deaf.

Like a security blanket. A binky. Feels safe.

Not going forward. Universal health care will effect all going forward, not those that scrimped and saved and paid their past debt.

The argument for free college going forward for everyone is a much better comparison.

I think Warren, and Sanders’ plans are great proposals. I have no sour grapes or resentment over something that will help folks get out from crushing debt.

“I’ve got mine, you’re on your own”

More like
“I didn’t get mine, so neither should you”

Both mindsets are based in selfishness and cruelty, masquerading as mythical Republican “Rugged Individualism”.

Forgiving student loans is not fair. It's definitely a good thing, but it's not fair, and I think she should acknowledge that.

I'm in favor of forgiving student loans because I think it's important to have an educated population unencumbered by debt. However, I would be, or I will be if it comes to pass, pretty frustrated by having spent $200,000 on our kids' educations while people whose kids are just a few years younger than ours get to save that money for their retirement. It's what I'd want, but it'd still be frustrating, and I don't think I'm selfish or cruel to be a little salty about this. And I think the guy who yelled at Senator Warren made a point that really shouldn't be brushed aside with labels of selfishness and cruelty.

I think a fairly close, though much more dramatic, analogy would be if a cure for cancer is discovered right after someone loses a loved one to cancer. Any decent person would be thrilled for the people it saves, but it would still be frustrating.

To move from a corrupt, cruel system to a fair, compassionate one, there will strong emotions from those who could have benefitted if the changes had come sooner, as well as those whose obscene profits will be reduced.

While it would be much easier, less disruptive, to maintain the Status Quo, and try to be content with merely a return to normalcy and business as usual, It will take a substantial amount of courage to not be swayed by these transitory emotions and stay on the right course.

Resentment gets you no where and most people who need debt relief are not deadbeats.

Reducing the cost of college is the goal. Having the government subsidize the costs does nothing to address actual costs. If college didn't cost so much, we wouldn't need the government to bail out borrowers.

Things get better going forward but we can't alway fix the wrongs of the past.

Not a winning argument in my estimation.

though, admittedly, a state school didn't cost anywhere near what it costs now & my loan could practiclly be called petty cash.

I paid for the books every semester and some of the other costs for a couple of my nieces to try and help keep their loan costs down. I also paid off one of the smaller loans when one had to drop out for a while & she wasn't able to handle it.

Don't lecture me about sacrifice and doing the right thing.

It isn't right that kids can't afford school or, if they do manage to go, wind up so deeply in debt they may never get out it. I support Elizabeth's plan in the long wrong, it benefits all of us.

It would work out great for those who did not work and did not sacrifice.

No benefit for those who did. Rather, a slap in the face.

and to be craven about it, those with a good education are apt to pay more taxes.

Maybe FDR shouldn't have pushed for the GI Bill because it wasn't fair to all the veterans in the past who fought wars and weren't given an education and housing allowance or couldn't get a low interest home or business loan.

I'd hazard to bet that those who pay their way benefit society a lot more with their education than those who don't.

Th GI Bill wasn't available to some vets and not others who fought at the same time in the same war.

About TARP, the government MADE money on the deal.

And the economic crash would have been far worse without it.

https://theweek.com/articles/454749/auto-bailout-officially-over-heres-what-america-lost-gained

What bang?

I was--in fact--very enthusiastic about Obama's plan to save the auto industry.

And the GI Bill was not exclusively for white people. That's false, even if racial segregation and racism had negative impacts on who and where the GI benefits served (or failed to serve) members of ethnic minorities.

...who lost kids that were drafted and died in Vietnam?

Were you out complaining about that?

And, you know nothing about the GI Bill:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_and_the_G.I._Bill

treated like collateral damage by both.

a less interesting or less prestigious college in order to have less debt. Of course we should all be compassionate and community-minded, but if it means seeing some else get a windfall which you struggled for yourself it will not sit well.

I’m not arguing against debt forgiveness, but we have to foresee some of the less wonderful consequences.

So they want the government to help nobody. It's the same crap driving 45's voters. They hate it when the government helps other people.

Warren should have countered by offering a plan to repay money people spent on loans going back X years.

You've got it all wrong.

We are not the DSA.

Eliminating college debt is about helping people from that point in time and going forward. Very few government programs are retroactive apart from maybe disaster relief.

I get it, you have zero desire in tackling the student debt problem. For those of us who value progress in this country, Warren's plan and Sanders' plan will be great for the country.

You are way out of line.

if you're a Democrat, show some empathy and be willing to help people.

That's the point. Warren's plan is very flawed and unfair to those who did the right thing.

If you are a Democrat, realize fairness is a basic feature of liberalism.

This father on the teevee, even if his story is true, clearly wants to make the children suffer for the decisions of the parents.

I played by the rules and I 100% back Warren's plan because it is the right thing to do.

that each generation gets better...so I really have little pity for them. Oh and most of the millennials at my large company and the other ones I know are making more money than me so a lot of them are doing alright.

Some of them think they have it so bad when they have no god damn idea of what true hardship is...and no I'm not a boomer.

Do you have any evidence that it isn't?

Maybe it is. I have questions, though. For example, he said:

Insult another. ,

No one said that here. You don’t think your accusation that we devalue hard work is way out of line and being hurled at us simply because we support an education goal for this country?

That might be a DSA value.

The father in this question has a fair point. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that.

And uses the exact same language that gets tossed around on most every issue.