Just stop it!!

Bernie needs stopped the attacks on Joe and Dems

Figure it out.

Bernie doctored a video of Biden and claimed he is for cutting Social Security.

He called Elizabeth Warren a liar.

His campaign called Biden corrupt.

Which one of these is not true? Tell me.

I've been listening to Bernie for years. He has always said a woman COULD AND SHOULD be president.

Biden has suggested cutting social security in the past. We had a fit about it on DU about 19 years ago.

btw - Sen Warren herself accused Bernie of calling her a liar.

I thought she was your candidate - but you seem to be batting for another team.

She pretty clearly believes that he called her a liar and said so.

"He has always said a woman COULD AND SHOULD be president."

That does not preclude the possibility that he told her a woman couldn't win this presidential cycle in this political environment. People keep making that argument, but it proves nothing.

I was alive and heard with my own ears when Biden suggested cutting social security. I don't need a video to remiind me. He has for decades supported that a woman "COULD AND SHOULD" be president.

stood there and said it never happened...not well I think there was a misunderstanding blah blah...but no. Warren is my second choice...and your first choice...really? No he stood there and ran her over with the bus and then backed up and ran her over again...and he had been using an anti-Warren script too...telling lies about her for canvassing the previous weekend...as a primary candidate, he is dead to me. He gets my vote only only in a General.

because he said so?

So you are calling Warren a hmmmm mixed up woman that does not outright lie.... yet is a liar.

She said he said it and he said he didn't.

They were the only two there and one of them is lying. Both things can't be true at the same time.

He didn't doctor a video, and he didn't call Warren a liar. Those are completely wrong.

The article that called Warren corrupt wasn't written by the Bernie campaign, but they did share it. Of course, shortly afterward Bernie apologized.

If you want to elect Trump, then keep up the infighting.Go bash some Republicans. This is not a team sport and you will not change minds. The future of the planet is counting on Dems.

It's NOT propaganda that Bernie has placed unrepentant Stein voters in positions of power in his campaign. It's NOT propaganda to say Bernie has allowed some rather bald-faced attacks on other candidates by his surrogates and staff and he does not act until called out on it. It's not propaganda to point out that Bernie always acts in his own political interests and not the party's.

Having said that, I do not advocate attacks on other candidates in the primaries. They are wrong-headed and damaging. They are the one thing that has kept me from openly supporting Warren, who I generally agree with most.

If you've been on DU for "19 years" then you certainly have learned that.

the long term,,,just sayin'

Bernie has repeatedly denigrated the democratic party.

Among his gems of democratic support:
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

He is a user, he is not a uniter, he is not here to strengthen the democratic party.

He is a self-promoter, promoting the bernie brand just like trump promotes the trump brand.

Electing bernie will be a waste of 4 years when we don't have another 4 years to waste

exciting than soggy bread and Trump would make a fool of him because Biden needs two weeks to think of a comeback, are fine?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=431054

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=386745

And isn't Bernie now part of the Democratic coalition? Could never write a headline like that about Biden and get away with it.

I thought Trump was the one to defeat.

just support our guy,,now that was easy.......

by hampering Democratic chances.

The stupid revolution will never materialize.

I too like a lot of his policiies, its just the man that turns me off, his all anger all the time and hitting at Dems. The things with Warren and Biden are despicable. He's making it harder for me, but yes, I would still vote for him over drumpf - but wouldn't be happy and feel that he would lose due to "Socialist" "Communist" and bad health.

true

support Sanders and, in the same breath, blame him/them for the future Democratic loss in case it is a loss.

Too funny.

Where did you get that statistic?

I’m done.

Pro-tip: If you're going to make a statement based on quantifiable data, like "hundreds of polls" or " 20% of Democrats" - stop yourself, unless you have actually seen that analysis or done it yourself.

Otherwise, one's credibility is done no favors, and all that's left is getting angry and posting "I'm done."

Biden
27.0%

Sanders
20.6%

Warren
15.4%

Bloomberg
7.5%

Buttigieg
7.3%

Yang
4.0%

Klobuchar
3.3%

Steyer
2.1%

Gabbard
1.5%

Bennet
0.5%

Delaney
0.3%

Patrick
0.2%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

important. There are a lot of Bernie supporters out there, especially among younger people. And whoever gets the nomination will need the support of those voters in November. Alienating them, no matter what their number is, is not a good idea.

That's very different than saying that "The numbers aren't important, but I think that I'm one of many."

When one brings numbers into a discussion, one has made those numbers relevant, and should be ready for fact checking on them.

If one decries being fact checked on one's own stated numbers, then one loses credibility.

Is that clearer?

One reason data is important is because one's impressions of data can be manipulated. The impression of support of a candidate, especially on FaceBook, isn't always indicative of reality:

40-percent. And I also don’t think they are being alienated from the Democratic Party — big difference.

Numbers are concrete things. If you state that there is a %, then that's quantifiable number.

Please provide your sources, or admit that you are not basing it on any analysis of polls, but an "idea" you have, that changes to support your statements.

half of the 80 percent don’t care, aren’t paying attention, like Sanders and his proposals but may vote for someone else, don’t have heartburn over Sanders’ views, aren’t hateful of Sanders, have other things to worry about ....

I also think that "supporting Sanders" seems to be defined by some as = thinking that he is not capable of making mistakes, or agreeing lockstep with everything he says, and thinking that there is no reason or room for him improving.

Any questioning of his methods, the factual basis of a given statement, or any acknowledgement of any flaws, in my experience, is equated with "attacks" or "smearing," both by his supporters and his campaign.

I think he would have been a much more productive career politician, and therefore a stronger candidate if there was less of this dualistic thinking on his part, and by extension his campaign.

Oddly, Sanders is also the leading #2 choice for Biden supporters, acording to Morning Consult. Plenty of fun numbers to look at.

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

And those people will not be alienated. It's just like my supporting Elizabeth Warren as my second choice.

If Sanders has broad support in the Democratic party, he might win the nomination. If he does not have sufficient support in this cycle, as he did not four years ago, then he will not be the nominee.

Will attacks on Biden by Sanders or on Sanders by Biden really change mines here? Is there really any movement from all of the attacks?

I guess I'm just extremely skeptical that attacks on any of the leading candidates will change mines. It will get pressed, it will arouse supporters of the candidate making the attacks and anger supporters of the person being attacked, but no one will change their mind. The needle will not budge.

I welcome people being forthright and all, but I seriously disagree that attacks will do much at this point to change the race.

Personally, I find the attacks on Sanders and the attacks on Biden to be mean-spirited and thoughtless.

Trusting the Democratic electorate to think for themselves - why do that???

to the party.

Bernie has:

Nina Turner who is a nasty piece of work. I know because I am from Ohio and
have seen her act for years.

David Sirota an anti Hillary attack dog who helped to spread falsehoods about her
in 2016 some of which were from the DNC/HRC computer files that the Russians
stole, edited, and then spread on facebook. This helped to convince a # of Bernie
Bros to vote for Stein and or not vote at all.

Some woman who was paid by and worked for Jill Stein in 2016. Stein was part and
parcel of the Russian rat fucking of the 2016 election.

Get the nomination so I don't worry to much.

Anyway why are some Warren fans sticking up for Bernie. Shouldn't they be worry about their own candidate ….mmm

If you are correct and Bernie does not get the nomination, whoever does get it will need the votes of Bernie's supporters in November. But if some of those voters are alienated by the process that denied Bernie the nomination then our ticket might have problems in a close GE.

Yesterday on the radio, Katrina vanden Heuvel made the remark that since Independents are now a larger constituency than Democrats, it is political suicide to alienate the Bernie supporters.

So go ahead, commit political suicide. Enjoy your Trumpy world through 2024 because you sure are doing your best to alienate independents.

it's still offensive to anyone who makes up their mind based on issues, and that is what an independent is.

Democrats need independents.

We are the DEMOCRATIC PARTY …and Joe will win...

So long as the progressive wing wins the day.

She's the one I send money to, but didn't like the way she seemed willing to jeopardize the progressive agenda by going after Bernie. That strategy was a big, disappointing surprise to me.

Will work my ass off for either of them.

I will happily vote for Bernie or for Elizabeth. If Amy gets the nomination, I'm still happy. Buttigieg, still okay. I'm not familiar enough with some of the others to have a strong opinion.

But trying to pit Bernie against Elizabeth will not help me like Joe better. (Of course, I'd vote for any Democrat in a final election.)

poll out showing that less than 60 % of his supporters will vote for the Democratic nominee...so I am doubly disgusted and wish he had never ran. He won't win and may help Trump win in the end. He gets my vote only in a general.

our guy is the best suited for the task at hand.
Too many factors that lye in plain sight,show this with no other.

who loves to give wall street banksters a big, wet kiss by supporting for, pushing for anti consumer legislation is completely innocent? No, I'm not talking about Bernie.

he is also a Democrat...his entire life. He has buried two children and a wife...and has compassion for all...unlike certain get off my lawn candidates. Biden also scares the crap out of Trumpy the terrible...while a different candidate has Trumpy's support...go figure.

Just let him go on national tv interviews

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