Democratic Primaries

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts) Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:55 PM Jan 2020

NYT: Fact-Checking Joe Biden Before the Iowa Caucuses.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/politics/biden-factcheck.html

"The former vice president has made inaccurate claims this month about his record on Social Security, race and foreign policy."

Goes into several issues related to Biden's history as a legislator and VP. Here's how it starts:

Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. remains atop most national polls before the first votes are cast next month in the Democratic presidential primary. Before the Iowa caucuses, The New York Times reviewed recent statements he made defending his decades-long career, stressing his standing in the black community and highlighting his perceived strength on foreign policy. Here’s a fact check.

WHAT THE FACTS ARE

Mr. Biden tried to defend his record on Social Security and birth control with questionable claims.

WHAT WAS SAID

Antonia Hylton, a reporter for Vice News: “Do you think, though, that it’s fair for voters to question your commitment to Social Security when in the past you’ve proposed a freeze to it?”

Mr. Biden: “No, I didn’t propose a freeze.”
— at the Brown & Black Democratic Presidential Forum last week in Iowa

False. In 1984, faced with budget deficits under the Reagan administration, Mr. Biden was a co-sponsor of an amendment with two Republican senators that froze for one year nearly all military and domestic spending, including cost-of-living adjustments to Social Security benefits.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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NYT: Fact-Checking Joe Biden Before the Iowa Caucuses. (Original Post) HerbChestnut Jan 2020 OP

A freeze. For one year. In 1984 Beaverhausen Jan 2020 #1

That's the only one they mention in the article, but there were other times he tried to freeze it. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #2

Just stop Beaverhausen Jan 2020 #3

Sorry, this is a primary election. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #4

Maddow predicted the NY Times would Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #5

Oh poo!! jcmaine72 Jan 2020 #6

And he didn't propose it. George II Jan 2020 #9

So it wasn't targeted squirecam Jan 2020 #7

Oh nooos, 1984!!!! A one-year freeze 36 years ago. Damn, that's "disqualifying"! And what was.... George II Jan 2020 #8

Keep twisting, George, you're almost a pretzel. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #10

Biden might be better off saying "yes I tried to freeze SS but my views have changed". Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #11

Really? This is all ya got? Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #12

Beaverhausen

(24,472 posts)

1. A freeze. For one year. In 1984

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:01 AM

Jan 2020

Get. A. Grip.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

2. That's the only one they mention in the article, but there were other times he tried to freeze it.

Reply to Beaverhausen (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:03 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Beaverhausen

(24,472 posts)

3. Just stop

Reply to HerbChestnut (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:05 AM

Jan 2020

Tell us why we SHOULD vote for Bernie. Not why we shouldn’t vote for someone else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

4. Sorry, this is a primary election.

Reply to Beaverhausen (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:07 AM

Jan 2020

Part of a primary election is comparing the records of candidates. Note: This is not a personal attack against Joe Biden where I am questioning his character. This is a policy-based criticism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)

5. Maddow predicted the NY Times would

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:10 AM

Jan 2020

pull out all stops and do a Hillary on Biden. And away we go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)

6. Oh poo!!

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:24 AM

Jan 2020

Everyone knows this is just Bernie's "attack machine" again. Joe never did what he really did, even when he did it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

George II

(67,782 posts)

9. And he didn't propose it.

Reply to jcmaine72 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:29 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

squirecam

(2,706 posts)

7. So it wasn't targeted

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:26 AM

Jan 2020

It froze all spending. It’s not like he wanted to freeze social security, but buy 3 new aircraft carriers. I don’t think this has the effect you think it does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

8. Oh nooos, 1984!!!! A one-year freeze 36 years ago. Damn, that's "disqualifying"! And what was....

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:29 AM

Jan 2020

...the now junior Senator (imagine a 78 year old being the "junior" Senator???) from Vermont doing back in 1984? That's right, he was the Mayor of a town of 35,000 people in Vermont!

BTW, the NY Times should look into legislative terminology. As noted, Biden said he "didn’t propose a freeze", which IS correct. HE DIDN'T PROPOSE IT!!!! Later on you posted that he "was a co-sponsor of an amendment with two Republican senators that froze for one year".

Surely you must realize that a "co-sponsor" doesn't "propose" legislation, don't you? That's the job of a "sponsor"!!!

The lengths some will go to in order to make a candidate look bad, even if incorrect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)

10. Keep twisting, George, you're almost a pretzel.

Reply to George II (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:31 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)

11. Biden might be better off saying "yes I tried to freeze SS but my views have changed".

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:39 AM

Jan 2020

It makes much more sense than this strange battle against objective reality. He said it many times with great passion on the Senate floor, on TV and it's all on record.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Thekaspervote

(32,813 posts)

12. Really? This is all ya got?

Reply to HerbChestnut (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:05 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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