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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:18 AM Jan 2020

Why Bernie is best suited to lead on foreign policy.

Last edited Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:10 AM - Edit history (1)

Here's one of Bernie's pleas on the House floor in the lead up to Iraq. Everyone knows he voted against the war, but what stands out to me about this video are the questions and concerns he raises about the consequences of an invasion. This shows that he's willing to consider these types of situations with a cool head and think through the repercussions of military action.



EDIT: I see I unleashed the horde with this post. Here's some more videos of Sanders talking about foreign policy issues.

Talking about the Israel-Palestine conflict:



Talking about trade with China (first few minutes):

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Why Bernie is best suited to lead on foreign policy. (Original Post) HerbChestnut Jan 2020 OP
American isolationism would be the surest path to war imaginable. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #1
Where did you hear that Bernie is an isolationist? HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #3
From his mouth. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #6
I am willing to bet money Bernie has never said he is an isolationist. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #8
LOL. No it isn't. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12
I think you're confusing isolationism with witholding the use of military power. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #13
You evaded my question. His policy position (the one you linked to) The Valley Below Jan 2020 #15
Don't forget the opposition to Russian sanctions. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #48
I definitely have not forgotten. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #49
THIS!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #43
They really don't have anything do they? mikeysnot Jan 2020 #51
Foreign policy is about a lot more than war. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #2
How well does Sanders do when working with others? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #4
I agree PatSeg Jan 2020 #19
Also, being a Congressman or a Senator opposing a war is a whole different deal The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #24
Oh yes PatSeg Jan 2020 #29
Did you see the clip with Sanders talking about not wishing people Happy Birthday? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #39
No I didn't PatSeg Jan 2020 #46
Simple question, what "foreign policy" creds does Sanders have in his 30 years in DC? George II Jan 2020 #5
Zip DURHAM D Jan 2020 #20
Bazinga! George II Jan 2020 #21
But I thought that the Pope was annoyed at him showing up in Rome? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #34
Treating poor foreign workers like scabs -- including Hispanics-- will have us in continuous wars. Hoyt Jan 2020 #7
Trade Policy is Foreign Policy - Not Sure How We Have Good Foreign Relations Without Trade TomCADem Jan 2020 #9
He hasn't supported many proposed by Congress because... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #10
So Is He Ineffective or Unrealistic? Trade Policy is Foreign Policy TomCADem Jan 2020 #14
Maybe you haven't noticed, but... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #18
Which is Scary, Because Bernie Is More Extreme Then Trump TomCADem Jan 2020 #22
If we refuse to trade with countries where $5 is a decent hourly wage The Valley Below Jan 2020 #30
The idea isn't to stop trading with them altogether. The idea is to renegotiate trade policies... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #32
Demanding impoverished countries pay their workers the US minimum wage The Valley Below Jan 2020 #47
That's just s sneaky way of sentencing poor foreign workers to more poverty. Scabs are how Hoyt Jan 2020 #52
Sanders is best suited to be a gadfly in Congress. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #11
I agree Gothmog Jan 2020 #44
come on MFM008 Jan 2020 #16
How did Bernie "Lead"? brooklynite Jan 2020 #17
Sanders wasn't "right" in the first place. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #23
+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #25
Nancy Pelosi cast the same vote. David__77 Jan 2020 #28
And yet Nancy Pelosi was attacked as an "establishment" figure by the far-left The Valley Below Jan 2020 #31
I don't think her vote was wrong. David__77 Jan 2020 #33
Well, The great liberal Democratic President Barack Obama The Valley Below Jan 2020 #35
I am thankful for his decision not to attack Syria. David__77 Jan 2020 #36
Didn't he campaign for a guy who supported the Iranian hostage takers? RandySF Jan 2020 #26
Because all the American hostages were CIA operatives who deserved what they The Valley Below Jan 2020 #27
Hey thanks for the laugh...I really needed that. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #37
Does over-promising and dodging tough answers leader policy foreign a you make? Scurrilous Jan 2020 #38
bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NYMinute Jan 2020 #40
This is a joke, right? NBachers Jan 2020 #41
That was my reaction Gothmog Jan 2020 #45
Thank you Herb for posting this... SO TRUE!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #42
Bernie's inability to find consensus (especially in the US) flaws your premise. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #50
I'm still waiting to hear which authoritarians Sanders has stood against The Valley Below Jan 2020 #53
good one onetexan Jan 2020 #54
The IWR was specific the AUMF is the what made things endless tirebiter Jan 2020 #55
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
1. American isolationism would be the surest path to war imaginable.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:28 AM
Jan 2020

The socialist America First isolationists who made common cause with the isolationist far-right during the 1930's were dead wrong in keeping us out of the fight against fascism then, and their successors are just as wrong today.

Liberal Democrats from FDR to Barack Obama understood that America has a prime role in international affairs and that withdrawing would only embolden dictators worldwide to exploit the vacuum that would leave behind.

No. Sanders is by far the least suited person running as a Democrat to lead on foreign policy. Dead last.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
3. Where did you hear that Bernie is an isolationist?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:29 AM
Jan 2020

You might want to read up on Bernie's foreign policy positions here:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/responsible-foreign-policy/

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
6. From his mouth.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:33 AM
Jan 2020

Nothing in these "policy positions" contradicts that.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
8. I am willing to bet money Bernie has never said he is an isolationist.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:35 AM
Jan 2020

From the link:

Work with pro-democracy forces around the world to build societies that work for and protect all people. In the United States, Europe, and elsewhere, democracy is under threat by forces of intolerance, corruption, and authoritarianism.


That is literally the opposite of isolationism.
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
12. LOL. No it isn't.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:41 AM
Jan 2020

These are code words for reducing America's position at the forefront of world leadership.

Sanders has a terrible record of opposing authoritarianism when the authoritarians are on the far-left. And ain't so hot on his anti-authoritarian bona-fides in any cases.

Which authoritarian has Sanders stood against loudly and publicly?

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
13. I think you're confusing isolationism with witholding the use of military power.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:43 AM
Jan 2020

You can be a strong world leader without pointing a gun at everybody.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
15. You evaded my question. His policy position (the one you linked to)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:45 AM
Jan 2020

says he's prepared to stand against authoritarianism.

Where has he done so? Which authoritarians has he stood against?

I can come up with a long list of authoritarians that he's praised.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
48. Don't forget the opposition to Russian sanctions.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
49. I definitely have not forgotten.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

No one should.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
43. THIS!!!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:51 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
51. They really don't have anything do they?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jan 2020

looks like desperation to me.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
2. Foreign policy is about a lot more than war.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:28 AM
Jan 2020

It's about negotiating things like alliances and treaties and trade. Having opposed the Iraq war doesn't make him an expert on foreign policy.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
4. How well does Sanders do when working with others?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:30 AM
Jan 2020

That's all we need to know.

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PatSeg

(47,678 posts)
19. I agree
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:52 AM
Jan 2020

Foreign policy is predominantly about diplomacy and forging alliances. When I am considering a candidate for president, I picture him/her in various situations. Giving the State of the Union address, meeting with foreign dignitaries, visiting areas hit by a natural disaster, or expressing condolences to a loved one of a fallen soldier. There are some people I just cannot picture in some or all of those situations.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
24. Also, being a Congressman or a Senator opposing a war is a whole different deal
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:59 AM
Jan 2020

from being the person who has to make the final decision about whether to send troops to war - and most importantly why or why not, and what the consequences, immediate and long-term, are if he does it, or does not. I can't argue with Bernie's opposition to the Iraq war, but it wasn't on him to have to work out a strategy for stabilizing that region that did not involve military action. Bush and Cheney obviously took a difficult situation and made it much worse, but what would Bernie have done had he been president? What would Bernie do now to fix the various messes that Trump has got us into? Figuring that out is foreign policy. Just voting against a particular war isn't foreign policy.

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PatSeg

(47,678 posts)
29. Oh yes
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:08 AM
Jan 2020

Being president is a unique position and a president has to make decisions that most people couldn't. There are times where there are no good options, but nonetheless a decision has to be made, ideally the one that causes the least harm. And eventually he/she will have to take the responsibility for putting lives in harms way.

I cannot begin to imagine what Bernie would do fix the messes Trump has created or what kind of people he would have in his cabinet to advise him.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
39. Did you see the clip with Sanders talking about not wishing people Happy Birthday?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:43 AM
Jan 2020

Is he the person the nation could turn to for expressions empathy and human warmth during times of crisis and national grief?



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PatSeg

(47,678 posts)
46. No I didn't
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:47 AM
Jan 2020

Is it a recent clip or an old one?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Simple question, what "foreign policy" creds does Sanders have in his 30 years in DC?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:31 AM
Jan 2020
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DURHAM D

(32,616 posts)
20. Zip
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:52 AM
Jan 2020

Zero
Nada
None
Nikto
жоден
Gornit
Wala

Well...he does know the Pope.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
34. But I thought that the Pope was annoyed at him showing up in Rome?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:15 AM
Jan 2020
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Treating poor foreign workers like scabs -- including Hispanics-- will have us in continuous wars.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:33 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
9. Trade Policy is Foreign Policy - Not Sure How We Have Good Foreign Relations Without Trade
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:36 AM
Jan 2020

How many trade agreements has Bernie supported? Indeed, I think he would be even more anti-trade then Trump.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
10. He hasn't supported many proposed by Congress because...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:39 AM
Jan 2020

...they tend to be giveaways to big business. There is a reason American workers are forced to compete with foreign workers making less than $5/hr.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-trade/

We need a new trade policy that creates decent-paying jobs in America and ends the race to the bottom. Corporate America cannot continue to throw American workers out on the street while they outsource our jobs and enjoy record-breaking profits. Despite the president’s tough rhetoric and haphazard tariffs, under Trump, we now have a record-breaking $890 billion annual trade deficit in goods. And since Trump was elected, multinational corporations have shipped 185,000 American jobs overseas. That is unacceptable.

As part of a new trade policy, we must:

Eliminate the incentives baked into our current trade and tax agreements that make it easier for multinational corporations to ship jobs overseas. Corporations should not be able to get a tax deduction for the expenses involved in moving their factories abroad and throwing American workers out on the street.

Instead of providing federal tax breaks, contracts, grants, and loans to corporations that outsource jobs, we need to support the small businesses that are creating good jobs in America.

We must also expand “Buy American,” “Buy Local,” and other government policies that will increase jobs in the U.S.

We need to make sure that strong and binding labor, environmental, and human rights standards are written into the core text of all trade agreements.

We must also add to the core text of every U.S. trade agreement, enforceable rules against currency cheating, which allows countries to unfairly dump their products in this country and makes our exports more expensive abroad.

Our trade policies must support communities of color that have been impacted the worst by our unfair trade deals.

Undo the harm that trade agreements have done to family farmers.

We must eliminate rules in our trade deals that increase the cost of medicines.

Trade is a good thing, but it has to be fair.
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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
14. So Is He Ineffective or Unrealistic? Trade Policy is Foreign Policy
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:45 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie has been in Congress forever. Yet, he has not be able to use his leadership skills to influence any trade agreement to the point that he would support it?

If Bernie can't work his magic in Congress, I can't see how he would be effective as President even he gets his wish and obtains trade agreements that are even more restrictive. Won't other countries resent Bernie's beggar thy neighbor policies? Won't this later undermine national security as countries effective by such USA first opportunism begin to blame the U.S. for their economic losses?

Indeed, one of the major incentives for peace is the desire to preserve trade. If Bernie is initiating trade wars, fighting for the common man, then the U.S. can and will be targeted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
18. Maybe you haven't noticed, but...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:50 AM
Jan 2020

...Congress tends to be controlled by lobbyists. This is not a secret. If it is in a company's interests to get trade legislation passed that lets them exploit workers overseas, they will put whatever pressure they can on Congresspeople to pass it. This type of activity has been going on for generations. No single member of Congress can compete with that type of influence over their peers. A President, however, can.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
22. Which is Scary, Because Bernie Is More Extreme Then Trump
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

You look at how under Trump, the federal government has had to subsidize farmers hurt by retaliatory tariffs. You keep on harping on that Bernie has the purest of motives, but that does not erase a stupid policy. If we set up trade barriers in the name of protectionism, so will other countries. Also, you can't look at Bernie's xenophobic trade policy in isolation, because Bernie has also been a long time critic of immigration reform.

I get it, you believe that Bernie has the purest of motives. Yet, from a policy point of view, Bernie's trade policies seem like warmed over America First type rhetoric.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
30. If we refuse to trade with countries where $5 is a decent hourly wage
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:12 AM
Jan 2020

then we would create human misery for many millions of people worldwide.

This sort of populist economic-nationalism is irresponsible and inhumane.





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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
32. The idea isn't to stop trading with them altogether. The idea is to renegotiate trade policies...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:15 AM
Jan 2020

...so workers in those countries get decent living conditions and are paid adequate wages. This benefits the workers in those countries, obviously, but it also benefits workers here because American and foreign workers would be payed relatively the same, giving American companies less incentive to ship jobs overseas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
47. Demanding impoverished countries pay their workers the US minimum wage
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020

would for all intents and purposes ending trade with third world countries.

This economic-nationalist nativism would create misery for millions of workers around the world.

Very plutocratic thinking.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
52. That's just s sneaky way of sentencing poor foreign workers to more poverty. Scabs are how
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jan 2020

Sanders and Warren view poor foreign workers. The are American Firsters, or as Warren refers to it, "Economic Patriotism."

No thanks.

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highplainsdem

(49,060 posts)
11. Sanders is best suited to be a gadfly in Congress.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:41 AM
Jan 2020
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MFM008

(19,826 posts)
16. come on
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:46 AM
Jan 2020

more foreign policy experience than the countries former V.P?

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brooklynite

(94,808 posts)
17. How did Bernie "Lead"?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:49 AM
Jan 2020

He may have been right, but he didn't get anyone to "follow".

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
23. Sanders wasn't "right" in the first place.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:57 AM
Jan 2020

His vote was just one more instance when he appeased a brutal dictator, one who was in violation of UN resolutions.

Biden, Kerry, and HRC took nuanced positions that gave the sitting president negotiating leverage against Saddam. They did not want a war. They wanted to force compliance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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David__77

(23,559 posts)
28. Nancy Pelosi cast the same vote.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:07 AM
Jan 2020

...

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
31. And yet Nancy Pelosi was attacked as an "establishment" figure by the far-left
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jan 2020

as they opposed her speakership. LOL.

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David__77

(23,559 posts)
33. I don't think her vote was wrong.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:15 AM
Jan 2020

...

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
35. Well, The great liberal Democratic President Barack Obama
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:18 AM
Jan 2020

chose Joe Biden to be his VP and HRC and Kerry as his Secretaries of State.

I have confidence in Obama's decision foreign policy making skills.

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David__77

(23,559 posts)
36. I am thankful for his decision not to attack Syria.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:21 AM
Jan 2020

He exercised good leadership in not doing that.

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RandySF

(59,491 posts)
26. Didn't he campaign for a guy who supported the Iranian hostage takers?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:04 AM
Jan 2020
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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
27. Because all the American hostages were CIA operatives who deserved what they
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:07 AM
Jan 2020

had coming.

No. No way.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
37. Hey thanks for the laugh...I really needed that. nt
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:21 AM
Jan 2020
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
38. Does over-promising and dodging tough answers leader policy foreign a you make?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:35 AM
Jan 2020


Damn flashbacks
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
40. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:49 AM
Jan 2020

He has shown zero understanding of trade and foreign policy.

He will impose tariffs that would shame even Trump's tariffs and start a trade war which will destroy the economy.

No thank you.

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NBachers

(17,155 posts)
41. This is a joke, right?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:26 AM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,722 posts)
45. That was my reaction
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:47 AM
Jan 2020
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
42. Thank you Herb for posting this... SO TRUE!!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:50 AM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. Bernie's inability to find consensus (especially in the US) flaws your premise.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jan 2020

(and simply saying "he can too!!!!" is not critical thought or a rational argument)

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
53. I'm still waiting to hear which authoritarians Sanders has stood against
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:03 PM
Jan 2020

in matters of foreign policy?



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tirebiter

(2,539 posts)
55. The IWR was specific the AUMF is the what made things endless
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:38 PM
Jan 2020

Blood Traces: Bernie’s Iraq War Hypocrisy

Sanders supported Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia, voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama’s Libyan debacle and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War.

The AUMF is what created Eternal War. Bernie voted for it.


https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/

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