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MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:57 AM Jan 2020

Which Candidate is Actually Surging?

It's not Bernie. It's not Joe. It's not Elizabeth or Mayor Pete, either.

The candidate who is rising the most quickly in the polls is Mike Bloomberg. Surprise, Surprise!

In some polls, he has passed Mayor Pete and is creeping up on Warren. In the most recent New York Poll, he is now #3. By Super Tuesday, the states he has been advertising heavily in will record their primary votes.

If you're not watching Bloomberg, you probably should start doing that. He's about to shake up the race in ways most people didn't expect. And, where are his numbers coming from? Well, that will be the most interesting thing of all to see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Which Candidate is Actually Surging? (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2020 OP
Bloomberg's ads are excellent. They really kick Trump's butt. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #1
They are. I don't think he expects to be the nominee, but MineralMan Jan 2020 #4
I wouldn't mind Bloomberg LeftTurn3623 Jan 2020 #2
I think he's going to settle into third or fourth place MineralMan Jan 2020 #5
I would. No billionaires. Amishman Jan 2020 #9
nobody is surging..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #3
"Surging" might be the wrong word, but Bloomberg seems to be The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #7
You have a point. I don't think Iowa and New Hampshire MineralMan Jan 2020 #8
look at the second choice polling..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #10
Yes. True. As candidates drop out, they are not going MineralMan Jan 2020 #11
Bernie Leads in Net Favorability ritapria Jan 2020 #12
I'll say I think he's divisive and undetectable for free... brooklynite Jan 2020 #13
LOL Scurrilous Jan 2020 #6
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
1. Bloomberg's ads are excellent. They really kick Trump's butt.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jan 2020

I don't want Bloomberg to be the nominee but I certainly appreciate that he's biting large chunks out of His Lardship's yuge orange kiester. And I also like it very much that fellow New Yorker Bloomberg is exponentially richer than Trump, which will be another big thorn in his porky side. If Bloomberg is willing to use his piles of money to take Trump down, good for him. I don't think he'll get the nomination but if he does I'll vote for him absolutely gleefully while he drives Fat Nixon nuts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
4. They are. I don't think he expects to be the nominee, but
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jan 2020

he appears to be picking up support from lower-polling candidates, and may be stealing some support from others like Warren. His rising support is certainly coming from somewhere, and it doesn't seem to be from Biden or Sanders, although that will be hard to tell until we see what happens on Super Tuesday.

I think it's very interesting that a latecomer is rising in the polls as we get closer to actual primary events.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts)
2. I wouldn't mind Bloomberg
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jan 2020

He isnt my top couple of choices but I would put him 4th

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
5. I think he's going to settle into third or fourth place
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jan 2020

in many polls as we move forward.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Amishman

(5,559 posts)
9. I would. No billionaires.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jan 2020

I think he is about to fade anyway, skipping the early states will push him out of the news for about a month, and as Steyer has proven, buying every TV commercial slot won't create momentum on its own.

The problem is the race is split so broadly that the normal ebb and flow of polling variances turns into swings and lead changes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
3. nobody is surging.....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jan 2020

They are cherry picking individual polls and trying to claim a trend, when they are all just wandering around more or less unchanged.

It's all just statistical noise. At this point, a high percentage of people have been polled in iowa out of those that will actually vote. Either the same people are being polled multiple times, or they are missing the mark on who they call.


Only 170k +/- people voted in iowa in 2016 dem caucuses. They have to sick of all the calls, and polls, and surveys, and reporters.

Polling has to mean squat with this many candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,922 posts)
7. "Surging" might be the wrong word, but Bloomberg seems to be
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jan 2020

moving up more than might have been expected. He probably will plateau in 4th place and then start directing some big bucks at the Dems to defeat Trump, and more power to him. Iowa is a dog's breakfast as far as polling goes; because of its arcane caucus rules the outcome is hard to predict.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
8. You have a point. I don't think Iowa and New Hampshire
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:27 PM
Jan 2020

are really all that important in 2020, frankly. Not with Super Tuesday just a month away.

It looks like the top three will split most of the delegates from those two states. Nevada, too, looks like a tossup. South Carolina will give Biden a delegate count edge going into Super Tuesday.

Starting next week, polling will get more active for the March 3 primaries. Frankly, I don't think IA and NH are going to influence those much at all.

More importantly, though, I think we'll see a few more candidates drop out over the next month, and that will have an impact.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

getagrip_already

(14,907 posts)
10. look at the second choice polling.....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jan 2020

It seems those that like bernie even a little are either supporting him as their first choice or not at all. Fewer than 6% of polled voters picked bernie as their number 2 choice, meaning if their preferred candidate drops out, bernie won't be the primary beneficiary.

At this point, he is better off if they stay in the race.... But his campaign is still attacking them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,339 posts)
11. Yes. True. As candidates drop out, they are not going
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jan 2020

to switch to Sanders, I'm pretty sure. Bernie is a sui generis sort of guy.

A lot of people who favor a candidate who is not polling well and who drops out are going to go with a candidate they perceive as a winner. Bernie is a polarizing candidate. You either love him or don't want anything to do with him, really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
12. Bernie Leads in Net Favorability
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

How can that translate to being called the most divisive candidate ? ……. The talking heads get paid a handsome sum to say that he is divisive and unelectable ….The people don't agree …..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brooklynite

(94,808 posts)
13. I'll say I think he's divisive and undetectable for free...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jan 2020

And people's voting patterns don't always mesh with who they "like". Bottom line is that Sanders has only half the support he had in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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