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highplainsdem

(49,050 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:42 AM Jan 2020

Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity (Jonathan Chait, New York magazine)

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.html


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That said, the totality of the evidence suggests Sanders is an extremely, perhaps uniquely, risky nominee. His vulnerabilities are enormous and untested. No party nomination, with the possible exception of Barry Goldwater in 1964, has put forth a presidential nominee with the level of downside risk exposure as a Sanders-led ticket would bring. To nominate Sanders would be insane.

Sanders has gleefully discarded the party’s conventional wisdom that it has to pick and choose where to push public opinion leftward, adopting a comprehensive left-wing agenda, some of which is popular, and some of which is decidedly not. Positions in the latter category include replacing all private health insurance with a government plan, banning fracking, letting prisoners vote, decriminalizing the border, giving free health care to undocumented immigrants, and eliminating ICE. (I am only listing Sanders positions that are intensely unpopular. I am not including positions, like national rent control and phasing out all nuclear energy, that I consider ill-advised but which probably won’t harm him much with voters.)

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Compounding those vulnerabilities is a long history of radical associations. Sanders campaigned for the Socialist Workers’ Party and praised communist regimes. Obviously, Republicans call every Democratic nominee a “socialist.” But it’s one thing to have the label thrown at you by the opposition, another for it to be embraced willingly, and yet another thing altogether to have a web of creepy associations that make it child’s play for the opposition to paint your program as radical and dangerous. Viewing these attacks in isolation, and asking whether voters will care about Bernie’s views on the Cold War, misses the way they will be used as a stand-in to discredit his entire worldview. Nobody “cared” how Michael Dukakis looked in a tank, and probably not many voters cared about Mitt Romney’s dismissive remarks about the 47 percent, but both reinforced larger attack narratives. Vintage video of Bernie palling around with Soviet communists will make for an almost insultingly easy way for Republicans to communicate the idea that his plans to expand government are radical.

Sanders has never faced an electorate where these vulnerabilities could be used against him. Nor, for that matter, has he had to defend some of his bizarre youthful musings (such as his theory that sexual repression causes breast cancer) or the suspicious finances surrounding his wife’s college. Democrats are rightfully concerned about attacks on Hunter Biden’s nepotistic role at Burisma, but Sanders is going to have to defend equally questionable deals, like the $500,000 his wife’s university paid for a woodworking program run by his stepdaughter.

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Much more at the link, including how progrssives were wrong about the 2018 election strategy that won us a House majority thanks to moderate candidates.



Note: Chait is a liberal who was once an editor at the American Prospect.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity (Jonathan Chait, New York magazine) (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2020 OP
A very informative read! Every dem should read it Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #1
... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #24
Trump will paint him as a communist, like it or not. dem4decades Jan 2020 #2
Yes he will... and there's sooo much out there...easy picking Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #3
As he did in 2016 dalton99a Jan 2020 #8
Trump will paint any Democratic with whatever brush fits the candidate. Don't underestimate our rainy Jan 2020 #11
THIS! Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #4
Divide and conquor Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #5
Donald Trump Is Not Going to Win Michigan (Chait, Nov 7, 2016) DanTex Jan 2020 #6
He will if BS is our nominee. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #7
Oh so true!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #9
It's okay. We won't. Hortensis Jan 2020 #10
God, I hope we won't. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #13
By the time Sanders branding is done, Trump will be back in. Historic NY Jan 2020 #12
Biden is a great person but will not excite. We need excitement. That's Bernie! Look the tea party rainy Jan 2020 #14
Suggest you read the full column at the link to see how wrong that argument is. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #15
Excitement, my BP goes up everytime Historic NY Jan 2020 #23
Jonathan Chait got his perfect candidate and his desired opponent in 2016. I'm so glad we Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #16
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary Martin Eden Jan 2020 #17
... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #18
KR! Cha Jan 2020 #19
What, Chait doesn't think a promised tax increase on the middle class won't sell in the fall? BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #20
Would this be the same Chait who wrote Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination Kentonio Jan 2020 #21
All excellent points. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #22
 

Thekaspervote

(32,810 posts)
1. A very informative read! Every dem should read it
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020
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dem4decades

(11,308 posts)
2. Trump will paint him as a communist, like it or not.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020
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Thekaspervote

(32,810 posts)
3. Yes he will... and there's sooo much out there...easy picking
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:46 AM
Jan 2020
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rainy

(6,095 posts)
11. Trump will paint any Democratic with whatever brush fits the candidate. Don't underestimate our
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

engaged youth, millennials and Bernie supporters. The left has been screwed for so long with all the work we do to help candidates win we never really get one that represents the real Democratic principles. Bernie and Elizabeth are two of the strongest. All the others are guarding their policies with money and lobbyist in mind.

We need some real change. Trump is the ultimate bottom of the barrel, as low as you can get. Time to swing left. The time is now we can't get any lower. No middle of the road centrist. The earth and humanity need real change not increments! We are ready to lead. Our country is falling so far behind is everything.

Bernie will excite the public. He can handle himself against Trump. First of all he is way smarter.

Do not let media elitists choose our candidate. Let the people choose. Trust and get behind who is chosen.

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Farmer-Rick

(10,217 posts)
5. Divide and conquor
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

Is that the plan?

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redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
7. He will if BS is our nominee.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jan 2020
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highplainsdem

(49,050 posts)
13. God, I hope we won't.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020
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Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
12. By the time Sanders branding is done, Trump will be back in.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jan 2020

They are all set to run against him give then loads of stuff culled from 4 yrs ago.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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rainy

(6,095 posts)
14. Biden is a great person but will not excite. We need excitement. That's Bernie! Look the tea party
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020

got so many candidates elected and they just pushed us to the near end of the right. We are headed over the Clift. We need some real lefties to win to balance and fix our ills that have the monied controlling our government.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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highplainsdem

(49,050 posts)
15. Suggest you read the full column at the link to see how wrong that argument is.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:03 PM
Jan 2020
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Historic NY

(37,457 posts)
23. Excitement, my BP goes up everytime
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jan 2020

El Trumpo tweets or there is breaking news..... I don't need excitement I need sanity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Nanjeanne

(5,003 posts)
16. Jonathan Chait got his perfect candidate and his desired opponent in 2016. I'm so glad we
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:28 PM
Jan 2020

Are still expected to listen to him. Sure he hates Sanders. But he also wrote about Warren being unelectable.

Jonathan Chait - Always wrong.


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Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
17. I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

Chait's analysis might be entirely spot-on, or he could be underestimating Bernie's capacity for turning out the vote. My view on GOTV is that everyone on the Left should be highly motivated to deny Trump a 2nd term. The question is whether we would lose more swing votes in key battleground states with Bernie or Warren than progressives who would vote third party if we nominate a centrist candidate.

Early on I dismissed both Sanders and Biden as too old (both would turn 80 in the middle of their first term) but selecting the candidate most likely to beat Trump in the key battleground states trumps all other concerns for me.

I live in Illinois so I have some time to decide, but if I had to decide now I think that candidate is Joe Biden.

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BannonsLiver

(16,527 posts)
20. What, Chait doesn't think a promised tax increase on the middle class won't sell in the fall?
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jan 2020
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Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
21. Would this be the same Chait who wrote Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jan 2020
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