Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumRunning Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity (Jonathan Chait, New York magazine)
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/bernie-sanders-electable-trump-2020-nomination-popular-socialism.htmlThat said, the totality of the evidence suggests Sanders is an extremely, perhaps uniquely, risky nominee. His vulnerabilities are enormous and untested. No party nomination, with the possible exception of Barry Goldwater in 1964, has put forth a presidential nominee with the level of downside risk exposure as a Sanders-led ticket would bring. To nominate Sanders would be insane.
Sanders has gleefully discarded the partys conventional wisdom that it has to pick and choose where to push public opinion leftward, adopting a comprehensive left-wing agenda, some of which is popular, and some of which is decidedly not. Positions in the latter category include replacing all private health insurance with a government plan, banning fracking, letting prisoners vote, decriminalizing the border, giving free health care to undocumented immigrants, and eliminating ICE. (I am only listing Sanders positions that are intensely unpopular. I am not including positions, like national rent control and phasing out all nuclear energy, that I consider ill-advised but which probably wont harm him much with voters.)
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Compounding those vulnerabilities is a long history of radical associations. Sanders campaigned for the Socialist Workers Party and praised communist regimes. Obviously, Republicans call every Democratic nominee a socialist. But its one thing to have the label thrown at you by the opposition, another for it to be embraced willingly, and yet another thing altogether to have a web of creepy associations that make it childs play for the opposition to paint your program as radical and dangerous. Viewing these attacks in isolation, and asking whether voters will care about Bernies views on the Cold War, misses the way they will be used as a stand-in to discredit his entire worldview. Nobody cared how Michael Dukakis looked in a tank, and probably not many voters cared about Mitt Romneys dismissive remarks about the 47 percent, but both reinforced larger attack narratives. Vintage video of Bernie palling around with Soviet communists will make for an almost insultingly easy way for Republicans to communicate the idea that his plans to expand government are radical.
Sanders has never faced an electorate where these vulnerabilities could be used against him. Nor, for that matter, has he had to defend some of his bizarre youthful musings (such as his theory that sexual repression causes breast cancer) or the suspicious finances surrounding his wifes college. Democrats are rightfully concerned about attacks on Hunter Bidens nepotistic role at Burisma, but Sanders is going to have to defend equally questionable deals, like the $500,000 his wifes university paid for a woodworking program run by his stepdaughter.
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Much more at the link, including how progrssives were wrong about the 2018 election strategy that won us a House majority thanks to moderate candidates.
Note: Chait is a liberal who was once an editor at the American Prospect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rainy
(6,095 posts)engaged youth, millennials and Bernie supporters. The left has been screwed for so long with all the work we do to help candidates win we never really get one that represents the real Democratic principles. Bernie and Elizabeth are two of the strongest. All the others are guarding their policies with money and lobbyist in mind.
We need some real change. Trump is the ultimate bottom of the barrel, as low as you can get. Time to swing left. The time is now we can't get any lower. No middle of the road centrist. The earth and humanity need real change not increments! We are ready to lead. Our country is falling so far behind is everything.
Bernie will excite the public. He can handle himself against Trump. First of all he is way smarter.
Do not let media elitists choose our candidate. Let the people choose. Trust and get behind who is chosen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,217 posts)Is that the plan?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,050 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)They are all set to run against him give then loads of stuff culled from 4 yrs ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rainy
(6,095 posts)got so many candidates elected and they just pushed us to the near end of the right. We are headed over the Clift. We need some real lefties to win to balance and fix our ills that have the monied controlling our government.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,050 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)El Trumpo tweets or there is breaking news..... I don't need excitement I need sanity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)Are still expected to listen to him. Sure he hates Sanders. But he also wrote about Warren being unelectable.
Jonathan Chait - Always wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)Chait's analysis might be entirely spot-on, or he could be underestimating Bernie's capacity for turning out the vote. My view on GOTV is that everyone on the Left should be highly motivated to deny Trump a 2nd term. The question is whether we would lose more swing votes in key battleground states with Bernie or Warren than progressives who would vote third party if we nominate a centrist candidate.
Early on I dismissed both Sanders and Biden as too old (both would turn 80 in the middle of their first term) but selecting the candidate most likely to beat Trump in the key battleground states trumps all other concerns for me.
I live in Illinois so I have some time to decide, but if I had to decide now I think that candidate is Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,818 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,527 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Asking for a friend.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden