Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAre those upset about Sanders lack of "Democratic loyalty" similarly upset about Bloomberg?
"Weighing 2020 Bid, Michael Bloomberg Registers as a Democrat"
By Mark Niquette
October 10, 2018, 5:52 AM EDT
"Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that he is formally changing his voter registration to Democrat, a possible step toward running for president in 2020. Bloomberg, 76, has been a political independent since abandoning his Republican Party registration in 2007... "
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-10/michael-bloomberg-registering-as-democrat-as-he-weighs-2020-bid-jn2z6gyr
Please note that the source for this is Bloomberg News. And that Bloomberg first held elective office as a Republican, winning the office of NYC Mayor on the Republican line in 2001 and in 2005 before winning it for a third time as an Independent.
Personally I am not bent out of shape by the above, being a little bit familiar with NYC politics. Of far more concern to me about Bloomberg though is who he has been willing to endorse in other important political races, which included some Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,426 posts)I love that he is pouring $$ into Trump oppo ads, though. He gets at least that credit from me.
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Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Just like well ya know
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
All attacking Trump.
None attacking Dems.
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Mike 03
(16,616 posts)FWIW, Sanders' alleged "lack of Democratic loyalty" isn't what concerns me about Sanders. It's not even a blip on my Concern Radar.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And I doubt anyone's really going to attempt the absurd "if Bloomberg does it, does that mean it's not bad?" defense... except for the occasional editorial pretending to be serious and introspective.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,058 posts)through third-party surrogates he's hired to manage his campaign?
Is Bloomberg attacking the Democratic Party more than he attacks the GOP?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,348 posts)... peter King and a bunch more republicans. Oh and helped repigs keep the New York house.
But he was never a meanie! So he has that going for him...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)I am concerned about Bloomberg. I certainly won't be voting for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)is utterly mesmerizing. Bloomberg:
- Endorsed George W. Bush and spoke on his behalf in front of millions on people at the RNC
- Endorsed Susan Collins
- Endorsed Scott Brown over Elizabeth Warren
- Endorsed Pat Toomey giving him credibility with enough suburban moms in 2016 to cost Katie McGinty the election
- By doing these actions has completely prevented meaningful gun reform and any of the things he claims to care about
Oh and Biden folks, Bloomberg is the reason your candidate is in trouble not Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)bloomberg has 0% on DU
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Beakybird
(3,333 posts)Bloomberg is helping Sanders glide past Biden. What can we do? He has a $50 billion fortune.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)His long history speaks for itself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)Nope. Biden's average is higher than it was when Bloomberg entered the race. I'm not sure why people keep making this claim - it's demonstrably false.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
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brooklynite
(94,803 posts)Bloomberg has been clear he'll focus his time and money on defeating Trump, regardless of who the nominee is. Sanders has a clouded record of performance on that score.
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liskddksil
(2,753 posts)all the amazing gun reform we've had with Mitch McConnell in charge. Oh wait!
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brooklynite
(94,803 posts)...don't see anyone questioning whether he's a "real" Democrat.
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liskddksil
(2,753 posts)As a matter of fact he's been out every day these last few weeks helping Democrat Eliz Markowitz attempt to begin the process of taking back Texas from the GOP in HD-28.
Oh and Beto endorsed Gina Ortiz Jones by the way in an election, nowhere as consequential as the ones for George W. Bush, Scott Brown, Susan Collins or Pat Toomey.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)for Mitch McConnell and a dagger to the prospects of any meaningful gun reform for the foreseeable future.
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TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)And it looks like he'll spend perhaps a billion more in 2020 on Democrats and Dem causes, even if he's not the nominee. At present, it's pretty hard to argue that he isn't a positive for Democrats.
Bloomberg also seems a lot less selective in whom he chooses to support than Sanders does. Sanders seems to be interested primarily in assisting Democrats or other politicians with whom he shares an ideological bent.
That's not what we need in 2020. We need to support and elect every Democrat we can, regardless of where they are on the spectrum, and we need to understand that different regions require different approaches. We can't get to 51 in the Senate without progressives, liberals, and some moderates. The math just isn't there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)The only reason he is above Sanders is because he would possibly defeat Trump, while I believe Bernie cannot.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueTsunami2018
(3,505 posts)Nor does he have a cult following that would rather Тяцмр win if he doesnt get the nomination.
Bloomberg is also willing to spend big to ensure Тяцмрs loss. Not so sure Mr. Sanders would even if he could.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)there are any cults out there that worship money. Bloomberg has plenty of friends who received his strong financial backing and campaigned for Republicans running for President against a Democrat. I have no doubt however that both Sanders and Bloomberg want Trump defeated in 2020 by whoever gets the Democratic nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTsunami2018
(3,505 posts)At all. He doesnt command massive rallies and he doesnt have worshippers who demand that only he has the right ideas. Its kind of ridiculous to suggest Bloomberg has any kind of following on that level.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gore1FL
(21,158 posts)I remember when that was the GOP term for Obama supporters.
It's cool for you to decide on and want to support your candidate but please don't apply baseless insults to the candidate and the supporters of the one's you don't.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueTsunami2018
(3,505 posts)Its not everyone who supports him but there is definitely a cult base that supports him and only him. They arent blue no matter who and they can be as nasty and fanatical as Тяцмрегs. You saw the way they behaved at the convention last time and you can see the way they behave online. Im sorry you feel insulted by this but many of us are also insulted by that behavior.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gore1FL
(21,158 posts)Here is what I can tell you. I am undecided in the primary process. I am more inclined to vote for someone than against someone; this is especially true in the primaries.
I would much rather see people support their candidates than tear down any of the others. If I based my choice on how supporters act online, I'd probably stay home.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MH1
(17,608 posts)Like Sanders, if I am wrong about that, of course he is far better than Trump, and I will suck it up.
If I'm right, I see Bloomberg as strategically helpful to our ultimate nominee. In the current situation - which we are in BECAUSE of NON-VOTERS AND THIRD PARTY VOTERS IN 2016 - there is nothing Bloomberg brings that is substantively damaging to our recovery. Sanders, on the other hand, has a record of lukewarm, ineffectual support of the Democratic nominee. Unlike Bloomberg, Sanders will NOT bring his supporters in to support the eventual nominee if it is not himself.
Therefore, Sanders annoys me FAR more than Bloomberg. Bloomberg has been an ass in many ways in the past. But he will serve the current purpose in a positive way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)However he has shown himself to date to be lukewarm at best about the policies advocated by our more progressive candidates, namely Warren and Sanders, and many of his high profile supporters and surrogates have been much more openly hostile toward those candidacies than Bloomberg has publicly been himself. So in a possible scenario, such as I sketched out above, in which Biden fades and the seeming front runner becomes Sanders (or for the purpose of this discussion Warren also) the question remains. Bloomberg gives zero indication that he would not battle either Sanders or Warren for the nomination tooth and nail, with his unlimited financial resources, on Super Tuesday and beyond.
You wrote "Unlike Bloomberg, Sanders will NOT bring his supporters in to support the eventual nominee if it is not himself.". If the nominee ends up being Biden, or Klobuchar, or perhaps Buttigieg, I think you are right about Bloomberg. If it is Sanders or Warren, however, I am not so confident he will do a better job at it than Sanders did in 2016 when he did endorse and campaign for nominee (which I hope Bloomberg would do also for Sanders or Warren).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,608 posts)And they will NOT vote for Trump or 3rd party. (unless they were trolling the Dem party to begin with)
Bloomberg voters will be more reliable voters for even a Sanders or Warren candidacy, because they are consistent voters at a much higher rate than the younger voters who tend to support BS.
I think Bloomberg would be somewhat annoyed but would still do everything he could to replace Trump, even if the nominee is Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm just not as confident about that as you are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,505 posts)He wants Trump out. His run for the nomination seems more like a platform to hammer Trump incessantly than anything.
I also agree that Bloomberg's supporters are much more likely to be solid voters in November whether or not he's the nominee. As you noted, it's simple math - his voters are largely in groups that vote pretty consistently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,644 posts)Bloomberg has every right to do what he's doing, and it's a good thing he's doing it
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)on attack ads against russiapublicans in every single race.
Don't know who his surrogates are. But as of right now, the only surrogates working against the Democratic party are Bernie's.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,918 posts)Joe Lieberman comes to mind who backed McCain against Obama. There are Republicans sitting in the Senate today, prepared to acquit Trump of all charges against him, that Bloomberg personally helped get elected.
Aside from elected Republicans who have been aligned with Bloomberg in the recent past, I am confident Bloomberg surrogates would fall in behind a Biden or a Klobuchar, but not necessarily behind our eventual nominee if it isn't one of them or Bloomberg himself. Bloomberg at one point seriously considered running as an Independent himself for President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,522 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,694 posts)I am not a fan of Bloomberg
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden