Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWarren's drop in the polls is the signal that we're not yet ripe for structural....
... change. Warren attracted a lot of people (like me) who would be delighted to get on board with a push toward structural change if it looked like that was happening. Hence Warren's early surge. But when it begins to look like the surge is not happening, Warren's supporters shift to "beat Trump." Sanders' supporters are fanatics and don't switch for any reason. I'm keeping my Warren identity on DU for now, but I'm glad I don't have to vote in Iowa.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Doesn't that say the opposite?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Or maybe some of Warren's voters are moving over to Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)I'll link to my post. I'm tired of posting the numbers every time someone says Bernie is rising. He is not. All 538. From a few hours ago.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287452592#post9
Sanders leads in 8 states only Eight. Biden has 10 in South alone. Smallest margin 7% in Texas.
By 1% by 1% by 1.3% by .5% by 1% by 3% in 6 states. Wee NH and Utah only good leads
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Nice to see you.
I'm done posting poll numbers. My hands hurt from typing. It's good to see a link and some reality. Thanks brooklynite.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Seriously. I feel terrible. " I trust Bernie." Just got that. Amazing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Is far from done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Minn. Mass. too. And Montana.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)still not ready for a woman to be President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and a lot of sub rosa misogyny
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)Iowa hasn't happened yet and we have many primaries after.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It doesn't seem like we're ready for exceptional minds in the presidency in general. The public is too drawn toward personality even demagoguery.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,794 posts)Confronting Bernie on stage, no matter how justified, wasn't good optics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Is about where she has been since December. The last debate had nothing to do with it.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,794 posts)1) She made an accusation that, while very possibly true, can't be proven (literally "he said/she said" )
2) Not shaking Sanders' hand looked (wait for it....) UnPresidential
I like Elizabeth Warren. My first two choices are likely out by June. She'd be my third.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,995 posts)she started providing cost details to her plans, especially M4All. Bernie doesnt bother with such details.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,508 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Liz is prescribing policy positions that are the equivalent of plans for a kitchen remodel or adding an addition.
The house is literally burning down, we need to put out that fire, repair the damage.... and *THEN* we can worry about improvements.
Liz is out of touch with what is needed right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)'After this therefor because of this' is a known logical fallacy. Support your given reason for particular poll movements with objective data illustrating it's not another reason and you'll have a valid premise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Is a healthy way to promote unity heading towards the election? Or indeed to show good manners?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,508 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,508 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)but will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee. Stop believing everything you read on social media.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
David__77
(23,558 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)not ripe for structural change.
If we are not, we will be in serious trouble. Because simply returning to the Obama years will NOT be enough, even though too many fantasize that it will be.
Serious damage has been done ... and will continue to be done ... if we return to "same-old-same-old-go-along-to-get-along" crap, no matter who our candidate is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Is just as misguided as the OP.
Any dem would bring needed change from the current administration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Being on the left often means we lament that our fellow citizens just aren't wanting the right things; this is a case of that. We don't win by promising to fundamentally change an economy most of the public is happy with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vivienne235729
(3,390 posts)We are so backwards. But my hope is that ONE day, hopefully in my lifetime, we will have a female president.....and universal health care too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(57,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vivienne235729
(3,390 posts)It seems like there is far more mysogeny, sexism, bigotry and racism now. And sadly, I think it is being normalized to some degree.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So maybe Senator Sanders does not have the youth support that all his supporters claim. We will get a first datapoint in a few days.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Liberty Belle
(9,538 posts)Warren especially came onstage here to announce she was supporting AB 5 and tout endorsement of Lorena Gonzalez, its author.
The bill, now law, is decimating the livelihoods of all kinds of freelancers including musicians, artists, writers, photographers, journalists, translators, etc. It was touted as going after Uber and Lyft to help exploited workers but media seeking to find those "exploited workers" helped by the bill can't find any!
The bill is also horrible for small businesses and nonprofits, as well as media outlets, infringing on freedom of the press in many ways.
There was a rally in Sacramento today with all kinds of fed up contractors who are losing work since out of state companies wlll no longer hire freelance writers etc. in California. The bill is making criminals out of hard working creative people. Lorena has gone from being respected as champion of labor and women to being reviled by all being hurt by this bill. A single petition asking to exempt musicians from the law got 40,000 signatures in days. It ruins life for bands and band promoters, too. There are lawsuits filed by independent truckers, freelance writers and others with the means to sue, but for so many who can't afford a lawsuit there's no way out of its Draconian and impossible to afford to comply with provisions.
So who are all these fed up contractors and those who need to hire them turning to? Republicans introducing bills to repeal or reform AB 5. Dems in CA are shooting themselves in the foot following Lorena right off a cliff, like lemmings. They need to admit this bill was a tremendous overreach that is hurting way too many people and helping basically nobody -- even Uber and Lyft are funding a balot measure to exempt just themselves/their industry and meanwhile pushing the limits with a new business model that neither makes people employees (as the author intended) nor helps the workers in any way but instead, lets drivers set their own rates, in what drivers say will be a race to the bottom.
Dems need to admit this was a huge mistake, repeal it and the underlying bill that led to the earlier Dynamex Supreme Court decision that made AB 5 necessary to provide "exemptions" to Dynamex but that made things even worse for many people, slightly better for others but not enough to survive for most.
Think you're safe if not in CA? Nope. There are similar bills in some other state legislatures and guess what? Warren and Sanders have both said they want a national version of AB 5. So has Feinstein. If you don't want Dems to lose in November, better start talking to those legislators now. This is a Trojan horse that can take the whole party down, taking away people's livelihood is driving even life-long Democrats in CA to tell me they will be voting Republican at least in the legislative races this fall which leaves many of us including me feeling betrayed by both parties, with nobody I want to vote for. Yes I will hold my nose and vote for whatever Dem wins the primary for president since our democracy itself is at stake, but I can't say the same for our state legislature, nor will I lift a finger to actively help any candidate or official who supports AB 5 or a national bill like it.
My own Republican legislator has introduced a state constitutional amendment to repeal AB 5, which won't get through the legislature with so many Dems with heads in the sand, but it should. If they try to put it on the ballot as an initiative, every creativ person I know plans to sign it. We are all seething with fury over Dems doing such a despicable thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,182 posts)"...we're not yet ripe for structural... change."
...from Warren...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Malmsy
(297 posts)and could really be a help to President Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,508 posts)Stick to your choice. Shes a gem. Loved what you said about BS supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I am simply sticking with Elizabeth until she wins or says "OK, I'm stopping my campaign." I figure what do I have to lose anyway.
I love her. I want a woman president. I'm all in for her until she tells me she quits.
Don't give up just yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I'll wait to see the results in all the states
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)I support Bernie and I am no fanatic. I think the reason why Warren's support is declining is because voters who are to the left of Biden are choosing Bernie over her. Myself, I support Bernie but I would have no problem supporting Elizabeth either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden