Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Can Exploit Donald Trump's Weaknesses
Voters are sick of politicians, including Trump, saying they'll protect SS and Medicare, and then getting into office and proposing cuts. These are things voters care about, and Bernie's got the best unwavering record of fighting to defend and expand them all.
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-social-security-medicare-medicaid
In May 2015, when Donald Trump was polling at 5 percent in the Republican presidential primary, he told a reporter in Des Moines, Iowa, Im not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican, and Im not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.
Its easy to forget, but promising to leave benefits for seniors alone was part of Trumps campaign message from the beginning. Things have changed. At the annual ruling-class summit in Davos, Switzerland, last week, a reporter asked Trump if entitlement cuts would ever be on your plate. Trump answered that at some point they will be, adding, At the right time, we will take a look at that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)Maybe I just need to stay away from the primary threads.
At the rate some of you post it almost feels like spam.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,338 posts)That's sure to convince the masses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)Establishment Democrats
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)He has a $10,000 student debt to pay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,338 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Stirring up s**t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(145,667 posts)In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)Bernie, Jill Stein, etc. were just foils for the Russians against Hillary.
Also, no one ever seems to criticize Gary Johnson or Evan McMullen for taking anti-Trump votes from (mainly Republican anti-Trump votes in the suburbs that Clinton targeted, especially in McMullens case - the margin between Trump and Clinton in Utah was less than McMullens percentage there). And Johnson was easily the most successful of the third-party candidates overall.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And the GOP does indeed want Bernie again.
The GOP is blazing away at Biden, and not a shot at Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)And the more they attack someone, the more energized their base is. Which is what they want.
If they really wanted Sanders as the nominee (and Im not convinced either way btw), then wouldnmt they be promoting him more as an adversary to Trump and his voters? Not a rhetorical question, seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Did you read the link in my post?
And there's this:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439489-karl-rove-sanders-could-win-presidency-in-2020
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296
https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-hope-bernie-sanders-is-2020-democratic-nominee-2019-5
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/
Sanders presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.
I'm not saying that he would say that now...especially during a campaign. But if Bernie is going to bash Biden doing it (especially when Biden didn't) then Bernie's not looking in the mirror, is he?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)And were very close to Iowa, but still not there yet - as of this posting.
Looks to me like there is ample room for posters to make their cases for their preferred candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)No?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)The OP would be the one trying to persuade those undecideds to support their preferred candidate (in this case Sanders).
Does that make more sense?
Edit: Ah, OPs avatar shows undecided. Well thats disingenuous for sure...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The author of which lists "undecided" as his choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)Sorry, I was confused.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And yes, the OP is doing what you say.
While thinking that somehow people think he's undecided...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,959 posts)They switch back and forth.
My guess is most of the 'undecied' are decided. You can tell from their posts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,449 posts)Trump would exploit BS's weaknesses and wipe the floor with him on election day.
We would end up with another 4 years of the Mango Menace if Bernie becomes our candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Why do you and others do this? And why is everyone attacking Sanders so ferociously??
I have nothing against the other candidates (with one Islamophobic dictator-loving exception, but thankfully shes not been a threat). I just support Sanders. Whats wrong with that?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,449 posts)but here's why I write BS, because I don't like to spell his name out.
It's your right to support him, as it's my right to point out why he would get his ass kicked in the GE by the Mango Menace.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)Good day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,449 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ArtTownsend
(439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jacobin/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I get that you prefer centrists to left-leaners and progressives, but come on, even your centrists admit that Jacobin is highly factual.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,959 posts)Confusing , eh?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I'm not confused. You're the one who is looking for the centrist check of approval, which apparently Jacobin gets. I don't go to centrist websites to tell me what I'm supposed to read and not read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)that ordinary humans need a telescope to see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(175,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden