Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumShould Biden end is campaign after calling woman in NH a "lying dog-faced pony soldier?"
WAPO: Biden jokingly calls voter who asked about Iowa a lying dog-faced pony soldier
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-jokingly-calls-voter-who-asked-about-iowa-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier/2020/02/09/9e8da478-4b75-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html
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Yes, he should end his campaign ASAP | |
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No, he should remain in the campaign | |
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)Just another day on DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)It's a direct quote and link to a mainstream source
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,419 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)As you're well aware.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
snowybirdie
(5,254 posts)This campaign season is getting uglier and uglier. Optimum word in this screed is "jokingly" . Or are you against a sense of humor or a light hearted moment in a difficult campaign?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jedi Guy
(3,289 posts)Trump has a history of making mean-spirited, cruel remarks towards people he perceives as against/beneath him. He doesn't laugh with people, he laughs at people, and worse, he encourages others to do the same.
If the office bully says to me, "You're a dumbass" and the office clown says the exact same thing, I know that one intends it to wound and the other intends it as a joke. You have to consider the source.
Joe Biden is a long way from mean-spirited and cruel. Calling for an end to his campaign over this is circular firing squad nonsense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)I don't know any kind of serious candidate that would make a comment like that about another person.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jedi Guy
(3,289 posts)To me this is a big ol' nothingburger. And tacitly suggesting in your poll that he should end his campaign is just silly. The people in the room evidently didn't think it was a grievous insult against the young lady in question. This is by no means similar to Trump's behavior, and trying to draw a line between the two is extremely disingenuous, in my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)How cavalierly the young woman is dismissed because of Bidens clumsiness and supporters willingness to embrace the error.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jedi Guy
(3,289 posts)I saw another post which referred to a video wherein she was laughing as well, and smiling. If she elaborates more and says she felt his words were inappropriate, I'll reassess my view of the matter. On the evidence presented as of this moment, I'm not jumping on the outrage bandwagon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)She stated she was shaken by the comment and flummoxed but I have heard enough replies dismissing her or reiterating she is a liar, that I am done. I can go forward in good conscience standing up for the young woman, even if only one of the few. I am done. Blows my mind.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jedi Guy
(3,289 posts)I also think Joe's response is being blown way out of proportion. She was "shaken" per the article, and you're saying she was "flummoxed." Is she upset? Angry? Does she feel like he humiliated her? Does she feel that his response was mean-spirited? If she speaks further on the matter and says any/all of those things, then I'll criticize Joe. As of now, this seems like much ado about nothing to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)one should. But most of all undecideds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,250 posts)it is trolling in my opinion. who. really. cares.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)that every word gets parsed to the extreme during a campaign and as others have already said, he should just retire lines like these. Even without any bad intent behind the line, it's still something that should be avoided. A veteran politician and his advisors should know that.
Just be more careful and don't deliver oppo campaign ads on a silver platter. On the other side, he'd lose much of his appeal if he'd change to only following a narrow script. He has to find that balance between being authentic and avoiding unnecessary errors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
4139
(1,894 posts)very inappropriate joke Joe
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)calling her a liar for a laugh, at her expense. How about if he doesn't end the campaign and he does not call people liars on national tv when they ask him a tough question. Both can happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,294 posts)historical context or social discomfort of the moment, is not demonstrating discretion.
Good humored social shaming is still social shaming... at best it was humorously passive aggressive. I feel for him, though, she went right to the heart of his weakest feature and hes probably still struggling with his own questions about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,399 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,528 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
enough
(13,273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)And not ok.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hlthe2b
(102,581 posts)Jokes fail. I'm sure he has or will apologize.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)young woman's experience by saying everyone in the room was in on the "joke". This is on Joe. He has done shit like this more than once, and I expect he will continue to do shit like this and we will be having the same conversations.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,293 posts)It doesn't matter what the reference is, or what the context was, candidates have to be disciplined, and this candidate just can't seem to do discipline.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,581 posts)This is disgustingly misleading. I'm ashamed of you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(9,530 posts)where someone didnt say excuse me. Sometimes people are laughable, dont you understand who we are running against????
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,096 posts)Yes
No
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)This is how he treats voters. You can't expect people to want to vote for you while insulting them to their face every day.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,813 posts)please. If he makes it to the general, he will be up against a criminal who says far worse things.
Biden's comment was said as a joke, and perceived that way by his immediate audience. He could have handled it better, but it was not a campaign ender -- unless people work at making it one.
I am disgusted with and PO'd at the people here who act like sharks circling blood when there is no blood there. You are creating the kind of division in the party that will hand the election to Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,709 posts)Use the GOP standard
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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But he needs to stop the unforced errors and win a darn primary!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden