made some terrible mistakes in 2016?

On the assumption that she could count on those who voted for her in the 2008 primary and McCain in the general.

campaign made a serious mistake that cost the election?

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And they weren’t.

But did this incorrect assumption have a significant adverse effect on the 2016 election?

Guess who cultivated Never Hillary voters.

that Clinton made cost her the election. Maybe you could clear that up?

against the Democratic Party. Who cultivated protest votes? Why did they do that?

and warning that the Sanders campaign might be making the same mistake. Did this mistake the article says Clinton made in 2016 cost her the election?

Seems like a simple question, but I can’t seem to get an answer.

It talks about overlooking how those voters were cultivated. You are obviously only invested in making this about blaming Hillary.

emphasis about blaming Hillary while ignoring the actual substance of how those anti/Hillary votes were cultivated. Therein lies the answer to “mistakes” you want to pin on Hillary.

against her were cultivated. That is the point of the article. Who cultivated protest votes against the Democratic Party? Why did they do that?

edit: Article title: “The Myth of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support”

I guess Chait forgot to mention how mean Bernie did bad things to Hillary. Thanks for explaining what the article was really about as I certainly couldn’t have gotten that from the text.

of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support”. How ridiculous to seize on one stinking word without reading what the MYTH was. Right there in the article title.

You just saw “Hillary mistake” and then go to town trying to dismiss the damage Sanders did and the MYTH that is described in the article.

ARTICLE TITLE:”The Myth of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support.”

is speculation about the strength of Sanders white working class support, and used what it describes as a “mistake” by the Clinton 2016 campaign regarding their assessment of that support. I simply asked the op if he agreed with the article. So far, the op tried to avoid answering that question, and then you jumped in to carry on with not answering the question.

Seems like a relevant question to me. If this was not part of what cost Clinton the campaign, if it was irrelevant, then why should the Sanders campaign be concerned?

Support. That is the article title. Not some truncated snippet of a couple words you can use to trump up Bernie’s supposed prowess with white working class voters, thereby ignoring the rest of the article that described the MYTH.

This is just an attempt to perpetuate the Democrats out of touch with white working-class smear that he promotes. You are mischaracterizing the article, which is obviously intentional at this point. You are ignoring how those voters were cultivated. It’s right there in the title.


ARTICLE TITLE: The Myth of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support.”

Chait’s article with his headline, you should take that up with the op.

and you appear to be claiming it misrepresents the article.

with it because you are obviously invested in bringing up Hillary and mistakes, while ignoring the actual article posted.

ARTICLE TITLE: The Myth of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support

Working-Class Support

Lulzd indeed

minority voters to stay home or vote 3rd party. They would do it again if HRC were running. The research into the success of the Russian bots with the BLM movement backs this up.

to perpetuate the Hillary failure angle to mitigate the damage that was done to her as our nominee, pretending everything was her mistake. No more.

to trump up Hillary blame when the article is about the MYTH of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support.

ARTICLE TITLE: The Myth of Bernie Sanders White Working-Class Support

But I would not say that counting on the same "disaffected" voters who supported her in the past--if that's indeed what she did--was one of the big ones... unless that's the reason she spent so few resources on certain states that ended up being crucial.

And of course, there were things out of her control as well (like a Weiner laptop, Russian interference, and a badly timed Comey announcement).

Two other points about the article...

Chiat says: "the hopes for the party’s white working-class revival have settled on the candidate Clinton herself vanquished: Bernie Sanders." I don't agree with that, I think we have many good candidates looking to appeal to the WWC, and I don't see evidence that this group has already "settled on" Sanders.

Chiat says: "Without that protest vote, the entire narrative of Sanders as the rising voice of the party’s authentic base would never have taken hold." I actually never saw Sanders' appeal as being one of the "authentic" base, but rather, more about being able to appeal to people outside the Dem base. Which is arguably what would have made him the stronger candidate that November, in that he probably would have won the same Dem-leaning and Trump-rejecting states/voters Hillary did, but also more of the non-Dem rump voters, who didn't so much love trump as simply wishing for an outsider and/or someone who wasn't Hillary.

Second mistake was cozying up to Wall St and then trying to convince Blue Color Union members that she was on their side,
Hillary should have gotten a very strong hint when she lost the Michigan Primary.
Another big mistake Hillary made was listening to Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Ms. Schultz's ultimate goal was to insure that she would have a cabinet position and she lost focus of her real job as DNC chair.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have had more security in place protecting DNC documents

Hillary Clinton had so damn much money in her campaign war chest she along with her incompetent campaign staff thought after a hard fought primary that the General would be a cake walk.

Hillary's other mistake was assuming Republicans did not have much to use against her..Wrong..They had over 30 years worth.

memes against our candidate. The biggest joke is the Wall Street farce, made up by one man’s campaign. In the meantime actual billionaire oligarchs have taken over our government and we still have to listen to this Hillary blame tripe.

To state the obvious.

And yes I was a major Hillary backer in the last presidential election cycle.

history was Hillary Clinton's mistake! WHO KNEW!

..HRC won by 3 mil votes. The only thing that doomed her was the Russian inference and some 'Dems' whos fee fees got hurt and went all turncoat on us.

“turncoats” were cultivated, I.e, protest votes, etc

But she didn't win the key states that elected Trump
I blame this on her incompetent campaign staff.
Republicans were all set up to steal the election form Obama (both 2008 and 2012) but his Ultra Competent Campaign Staff were so well organized Repubs could not get their theft strategy off the ground.

just by Donald Trump. She had to sit and take it to promote unity.