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Lurks Often

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103. Where did you get murdering 100 million people from?

Sun Feb 4, 2018, 08:32 PM

Feb 2018

And if you are President would you really allow NK to launch a EMP strike with the worst case scenario for the U.S. being the one in your previous post?

I don't believe we would ever launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

Only under very specific conditions should a pre-emptive conventional strike take place, with the below scenario an example.

Preparations for a large scale nuclear attack by NK would be picked up by satellite, which would be a legitimate reason for a pre-emptive strike by the US, which would almost certainly consist of a large number of non-nuclear cruise missiles (about 150) from whichever SSGN is near North Korea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio-class_submarine#SSBN/SSGN_conversions
as well as B-2 strikes with precision guided weapons (up to 80 per plane) to take out launch sites, mobile launchers, command and control sites and air defense sites.

More plainly a pre-emptive conventional strike is warranted where there are no diplomatic alternatives and a failure to act would cause more deaths then the strike would cause.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bluestarone Feb 2018 OP

Neither they would all be dead in the counter strike. wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #1

it would be a mess that's for sure bluestarone Feb 2018 #2

That's absurd, NK does not have the missiles to even come to close Lurks Often Feb 2018 #25

It can kill a lot of the troops that we have in South Korea, along with millions of South Koreans. Blue_true Feb 2018 #43

But that isn't what the poster I responded to said Lurks Often Feb 2018 #58

Are you EFFIN kidding? OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #77

Why is a factual post not helpful? EX500rider Feb 2018 #90

If trump preemptively nukes NK,China will intervene on behalf of NK nt maryellen99 Feb 2018 #59

As I have already stated, we are not going to preemptively nuke NK Lurks Often Feb 2018 #60

Why are so you so sure? Are you really pinning your hopes on the military disobeying an order? maryellen99 Feb 2018 #66

Then we disagree Lurks Often Feb 2018 #69

Probably not, because doing so would wreck China's economy Lurks Often Feb 2018 #71

They wouldn't, but the host of issues it WOULD cause is almost as bad. nt stevenleser Feb 2018 #110

Probably does. How about that report to congress Hortensis Feb 2018 #81

I've seen conflicting reports about EMP effects Lurks Often Feb 2018 #87

It is very technical, with a lot of effects "it depends." Hortensis Feb 2018 #88

"As for a "fairly strong argument FOR" murdering 100 million people" EX500rider Feb 2018 #89

What about South Korea? Hortensis Feb 2018 #93

Where did you get murdering 100 million people from? Lurks Often Feb 2018 #103

I suspect it is the kind of question that hinges on a word the OP left out... JHB Feb 2018 #48

BY tRUMP on NK bluestarone Feb 2018 #49

It would be by The United States of America. Iggo Feb 2018 #56

Not correct. Their missiles cannot reach the Continental US, at least not yet. Of course, that stevenleser Feb 2018 #111

It would certainly help Dems MichMary Feb 2018 #3

It Wouldn't Help Either Party The River Feb 2018 #4

Neither side really benefits....... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2018 #5

No one. spanone Feb 2018 #6

Thats the second time today youve boiled it down lunatica Feb 2018 #12

death is no good for anyone. imho 👍🏼 spanone Feb 2018 #14

It would be framed as retaliation, not just striking for political expediency, lark Feb 2018 #7

agree somewhat here TY for ur thoughts!! bluestarone Feb 2018 #13

You have to wonder why Tillerson let those 3 Russian spies in flamingdem Feb 2018 #108

A despicable question. Innocent lives for political gain is a despicable thought. Trust Buster Feb 2018 #8

if for political gain it would be done by REPUBS!!!! bluestarone Feb 2018 #15

You asked if the Dems would gain politically. Iggo Feb 2018 #30

my wording may be BAD but i did say REPUBS ALSO???? bluestarone Feb 2018 #32

it is - but it isn't out of the blue. salin Feb 2018 #74

I think a bigger concern would be surviving WWIII still_one Feb 2018 #9

I can't believe that this line of questioning etc. is ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #10

I agree. It is incredibly offensive. This place has become unrecognizable. Squinch Feb 2018 #28

DUBots? OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #83

You have an Alert button you can use. You can also contact MIRT members... Hekate Feb 2018 #105

A decidedly unfriendly country is working on nukes and has threatened to use them against the US.. EX500rider Feb 2018 #92

It seems like the start of a war would favor incumbents. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #11

Your last point is quite salient lunatica Feb 2018 #22

May his writer's cramp cause him to quit golfing. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #73

Seriously? redwitch Feb 2018 #16

REPUBS have the plan right? bluestarone Feb 2018 #18

You know that for a fact, right? n/t MichMary Feb 2018 #40

no bluestarone Feb 2018 #41

I hate unfounded speculation MichMary Feb 2018 #46

70 years here bluestarone Feb 2018 #57

Probably ever president EVER MichMary Feb 2018 #65

Whats the point of having Nuclear Weapons if you cant use them? maryellen99 Feb 2018 #62

Ahhhh, what elections? They will be "postponed" due to national emergency. Thats coming, believe me. winstars Feb 2018 #17

i VERY MUCH BELIEVE YOU bluestarone Feb 2018 #19

I think we will be a Nuclear wasteland by mid terms nt maryellen99 Feb 2018 #72

How? EX500rider Feb 2018 #91

No Im expecting trump to first strike and China to intervene on behalf of NK maryellen99 Feb 2018 #94

So you think China will pit it's less then 300 or so nukes against the US arsenal of over 6,000? EX500rider Feb 2018 #96

No but I think Trump is dumb enough to open Pandoras box maryellen99 Feb 2018 #99

What a stupid scenario to even be considering. Looking for a political upside to an unprovoked .... marble falls Feb 2018 #20

I AGREE but you see this is the REPUBS (possible)plan right? bluestarone Feb 2018 #36

You can't have a pre-emptive strike if NK can strike back, and they can. It would be a 1st strike, highplainsdem Feb 2018 #21

the question is out there because i truly believe tRUMP will do this (preemtive) to stay in office bluestarone Feb 2018 #24

Your OP says you believe a pre-emptive stike on NK by Trump will help Dems in the midterms. Again, highplainsdem Feb 2018 #35

i DID NOT SAY it WILL help DEMS i asked WHO it would help IF tRUMP attacked NK first bluestarone Feb 2018 #37

Your subject line asked who it would help. Below that you said you thought it would help Dems highplainsdem Feb 2018 #44

My thought was people would be really pissed if tRUMP attacked NK which i feel would help DEMS? bluestarone Feb 2018 #47

You still don't get it. Iggo Feb 2018 #63

I think they do get it. Its horrible, but I think it's intentional. Squinch Feb 2018 #68

A pre-enptive NK strike would help nobody...nt SidDithers Feb 2018 #23

It would kill tens or hundreds of thousands for no reason whatsoever. What the everloving fuck? Squinch Feb 2018 #26

You know who it wouldn't help? Innocent Korean people. Iggo Feb 2018 #27

60% of america would see any such move by trump as "wag the dog" beachbum bob Feb 2018 #29

Nuke anything is not acceptable even as a what if. shraby Feb 2018 #31

Realistically it would depend on the justification of the strike and it's result Lurks Often Feb 2018 #33

I heard an interview with a Guam resident MichMary Feb 2018 #53

It would help undertakers and publishers of books analyzing how such a f*cked up thing happened LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2018 #34

A Pre-Emptive Strike Is Unthinkable. MineralMan Feb 2018 #38

totally 100% agree bluestarone Feb 2018 #39

It's also against the constitution. There's something in there about being the aggressor. shraby Feb 2018 #79

Mineral Man bdamomma Feb 2018 #100

Russia is in favor of whatever destabilizes and degrades the USA, and they are doing it. MAGA Hekate Feb 2018 #102

I truly do not know. MineralMan Feb 2018 #104

Such an action would precipitate a bloodbath in short order. Blue_true Feb 2018 #42

North Korea would likely flatten Seoul in retaliation. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #45

oh for sure bluestarone Feb 2018 #61

The rest of the world would. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #64

,,,,,,,,,,,,, pangaia Feb 2018 #50

Hard to vote when dead get the red out Feb 2018 #51

So if you and your spouse douse the house with gasoline... Girard442 Feb 2018 #52

Pay up your life insurance.... Historic NY Feb 2018 #54

If Dear Leader (theirs, not ours) takes out California, it helps Republicans. Vinca Feb 2018 #55

I think it would help republicans janterry Feb 2018 #67

What a world where we discuss how killing people can help one party or another malaise Feb 2018 #70

sadly - its being talked about in South Korea salin Feb 2018 #75

It would kill a whole hell of a lot of people who don't have anything to do with any of it. Afromania Feb 2018 #76

People rally behind leader in times of war ollie10 Feb 2018 #78

Not with a nuclear war. That's unthinkable, immoral, a war crime, ad infinitum. shraby Feb 2018 #80

Yes it is unthinkable. ollie10 Feb 2018 #82

+1,000 n/t malaise Feb 2018 #84

Yes, until the body bags start coming home Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #86

Any so-called limited strike in NK Downtown Hound Feb 2018 #85

It is unthinkable. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #95

jesus what a question steve2470 Feb 2018 #97

wouldn't matter nini Feb 2018 #98

We'll be too dead to care. Christ on a Trailer Hitch Hekate Feb 2018 #101

What I want to know is who the HELL are all these DUers who are even entertaining the idea... Hekate Feb 2018 #106

ANY attack on NK and they will unleash thousands of artillery pieces that can reach Seoul. tonyt53 Feb 2018 #107

Good question, everything is political radius777 Feb 2018 #109