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still_one

(92,535 posts) Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:01 AM Jul 2018

The Democrats who are coming out calling for the abolition of ICE this close to the midterms may be [View all]

making some big assumptions that can backfire big time.

The way news is reported in this country, that is the headline. Not that it should be replaced. or what should be put in its place.

In fact it is already be misrepresented by some elements of the media using right wing talking points that Democrats want to open up all borders.

If those Democrats believe that just making this statement, without putting emphasis with what they want to replace it with, may make an already uphill midterm election even steeper for us.

If you just say abolish ICE, walk away, and assume that is all that is needed, without insuring that the message doesn't get distorted or misrepresented, I think one is dropping the ball big time

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The Democrats who are coming out calling for the abolition of ICE this close to the midterms may be [View all] still_one Jul 2018 OP

No manor321 Jul 2018 #1

You obviously selectively read my OP, and ignored exactly what I said in the body of the OP still_one Jul 2018 #2

Perception is reality. We can put "abolish ice" on ice, for now. nt oasis Jul 2018 #10

I thought open borders was the whole point dumbcat Jul 2018 #3

If that's the message, B2G Jul 2018 #5

I believe that most Americans do NOT want a wall, nor do thet want seperation of families, still_one Jul 2018 #13

We agree completely. nt B2G Jul 2018 #14

"If that's the message, prepare to lose in November." LenaBaby61 Jul 2018 #40

Then you believe that is a winning issue, campaigning for open borders. We will see still_one Jul 2018 #8

I thought this was about doing what's right dumbcat Jul 2018 #9

Who said open borders are right? That is your opinion. As for you logic about winning, perhpaps if still_one Jul 2018 #17

Matters of morality, and right and wrong dumbcat Jul 2018 #22

Open borders is NOT what I want as a Democrat. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #80

Can't control policy without first winning. Zoonart Jul 2018 #27

So, do whatever it takes to win dumbcat Jul 2018 #36

Yes. That's exactly it. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #53

This is a right-wing talking point, and should be reported to DU admins as such Tarc Jul 2018 #12

Absolutely right Tarc. Which is why those Democrats calling for getting rid of ICE need to make still_one Jul 2018 #20

Another misconception awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #35

If we're having this argument here, the larger voting population is not going to learn / know Calista241 Jul 2018 #71

republicans have taken compassionate and measured policies of Democrats and translated that to: George II Jul 2018 #44

No, no it isn't... Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #84

I agree with this genxlib Jul 2018 #4

1. See the post above yours, and B2G Jul 2018 #6

You articulated far better than I did genxlib. Well said still_one Jul 2018 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #7

4 Poach the eggs: Here is an easy method for poaching eggs. Essentially, working one egg at a uppityperson Jul 2018 #39

Thanks for the recipe! DesertRat Jul 2018 #48

You are welcome. Unfortunately uppityperson Jul 2018 #50

Big mistake Cartoonist Jul 2018 #11

ICE wouldn't be abolished anyway, or if it was it would be replaced by something else. Problem is still_one Jul 2018 #24

When you see pictures of kids being taken from parents, DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #15

And it is exactly what the GOP wants - to be able to say that Dems want "NO BORDER SECURITY" ehrnst Jul 2018 #77

You are trying to argue policy, "Abolish ICE" is messaging DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #81

You'd think repealing heathcare would have been a mine field for republicans.....it was not spanone Jul 2018 #16

Not only what you said .... LenaBaby61 Jul 2018 #42

Ice is not the problem. The ones giving it the orders are GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #18

of course you missed it because it was not being used intentionally as an abusive institution still_one Jul 2018 #25

That was my point GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #29

We are on the same page Gulf still_one Jul 2018 #33

You think? melman Jul 2018 #32

well gee, that is mighty tolerant of you to allow me to express my opinion, on a DEMOCRATIC forum still_one Jul 2018 #34

No thinking allowed, dontcha know. George II Jul 2018 #45

LOL still_one Jul 2018 #49

What? melman Jul 2018 #58

"Pontificate".. you're projecting. Cha Jul 2018 #56

No melman Jul 2018 #59

Yes, you are.. your point is being rude. Cha Jul 2018 #60

omg melman Jul 2018 #62

Yeah, you don't like it when someone calls you on it. Cha Jul 2018 #63

No, that's really not it melman Jul 2018 #64

Well, If you're going to pontificate about it perhaps you should share what you "REALLY" mean still_one Jul 2018 #65

I did melman Jul 2018 #70

Oh, melman. We know the history. betsuni Jul 2018 #75

Agreed. This is not a winning strategy. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #19

If we continue to sit down every time they scold us Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #23

The stupidity of our hard ass immigration policy is the problem. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #26

Those defending the establishment leaders GaryCnf Jul 2018 #28

In 1992, at the height of the party's mythical "great leap rightward".... George II Jul 2018 #61

You do remember GaryCnf Jul 2018 #85

At the time Democrats had one of the biggest combined majorities in history. It was almost.... George II Jul 2018 #86

In any event GaryCnf Jul 2018 #87

Another bogus slam on Bill Clinton R B Garr Jul 2018 #83

It's the wrong fight. We need to abolish the DHS. It's a massive boondoggle and costs a fortune. ucrdem Jul 2018 #30

ICE is a reactionary rightwing creation. yallerdawg Jul 2018 #31

Good post still_one, including all your responses. Ice has been militarized by its current leaders c-rational Jul 2018 #37

Disconnect Jake Stern Jul 2018 #38

Yeah that is a dumb slogan treestar Jul 2018 #41

I don't think it's constructive. That idea should be dropped until after November. THEN.... George II Jul 2018 #43

We do this and we won't have the House for long. Nt B2G Jul 2018 #47

You Are Right & Kamala Harris Agrees Me. Jul 2018 #46

That's what we should be calling for, a reorganization, not a ban. George II Jul 2018 #55

We did fine without MFM008 Jul 2018 #51

Yes, this is footshooting at its worst. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #52

It's fine in perfectly safe seats. joshcryer Jul 2018 #54

Some people would rather feel good about themselves Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #57

Among some there appears to be a cut your nose off to spite your face strategy still_one Jul 2018 #66

Among some there appears to be a cut your nose off to spite your face strategy still_one Jul 2018 #67

K&R Jamaal510 Jul 2018 #68

I will go with reorganization bdamomma Jul 2018 #69

Agree, the issue is most Americans support authority, radius777 Jul 2018 #72

You are right still_one Jul 2018 #73

Yep, great post! Alea Jul 2018 #74

I think "abolish ICE" means stop the Nazi junk. But agree that white wingers or too stupid to Hoyt Jul 2018 #76

I believe that it's like calling for Thomas to resign - NOW IS NOT THE TIME. ehrnst Jul 2018 #78

Even BLM doesn't call for abolishing traffic stops. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #79

Dems can never get it right, no matter what they do. kcr Jul 2018 #82