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MarvinGardens

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2. I wouldn't bet on a recession.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:22 PM
Aug 2019

And I sure wouldn't bet against one, either. I'm no expert in these things, but I think it's really difficult even for the experts to predict. This guy might argue with you.

https://www.hussmanfunds.com/comment/mc190805/

The chart below shows our economic composite drawn from standardized regional and national Federal Reserve and Purchasing Managers survey data.

You’ll notice that new orders (green) have experienced the strongest plunge in recent data, with the employment line (blue) slightly lagging that decline. That’s how the sequence of economic data typically evolves. New orders and backlogs, though volatile, generally lead. Production measures, not surprisingly, tend to coincide with broad movements in economic output. Finally, employment measures lag, sometimes considerably, because decisions surrounding job creation and layoffs tend to be careful and time-consuming.




As a result, if we think in terms of a 12 month year, we find that the 10-month change in our economic activity composite tends to be well-correlated with the employment “surprise” over the next two months – defined here as the difference between the actual change in non-farm payrolls and the average change over the previous 10 months.

The collapse we’ve observed in leading economic measures over the past 10 months is now consistent with monthly job creation falling nearly -350,000 jobs short of its 10-month average of 186,000, implying potential losses of as much as -164,000 jobs per month in upcoming reports. You’ll notice in the chart below that recent non-farm payroll data has clearly bucked these progressively deteriorating expectations. The last time we saw this sort of deviation was in October 2000, a month before the U.S. economy rolled into recession. Again, employment data lags, and month-to-month data can be noisy.
We are nowhere near a recession. [View all] NewsCenter28 Aug 2019 OP
K&R agree. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #1
I wouldn't bet on a recession. MarvinGardens Aug 2019 #2
"Dotard won't let a trade war with China happen." There is a trade war. Doodley Aug 2019 #3
I think it would be more prudent to plan for one Red Mountain Aug 2019 #4
Trump isn't playing 4D chess. John Fante Aug 2019 #5
Exactly. After publicly protesting that Denmark won't sell Greenland, nobody should give Trump Doodley Aug 2019 #6
This is what I said about it weeks ago. Solomon Aug 2019 #7
Which but don't you like? Doodley Aug 2019 #19
It was just reported this week that the number of jobs created was corrected downward... brush Aug 2019 #8
Also, the Fed reported that companies have started delaying investments. Blue_true Aug 2019 #10
A 'recession dashboard' from Credit Suisse indicates the economy is nowhere near a recession Celerity Aug 2019 #9
In mid 2007, analysts said the same thing. The economy was strong, no worries. Blue_true Aug 2019 #11
That dashboard completely ignores the reality we are in with Doodley Aug 2019 #14
fair point, I guess we will find out soon enough Celerity Aug 2019 #15
Overpriced high stocks sell off OkSustainAg Aug 2019 #12
"The Dow is stable. " A HERETIC I AM Aug 2019 #13
+1. Never forget, Dow was ALSO used to predict a "quick Iraq war" ck4829 Aug 2019 #18
I'm not comfortable with relying on a recession to get this maniac out... Oregon1947 Aug 2019 #16
"Despite the strong economy" ck4829 Aug 2019 #17
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