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Warpy

(111,681 posts)
79. Hamilton was certainly a mixed bag
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jul 2020

He'd cleaned Britain's clock several times in battle, Yorktown comes to mind. He then went on to negotiate favorable trade agreements with them, the new country would have been sunk without markets and France was already looking pretty shaky. He shaped the Treasury and instituted the first national bank. He's also the primary author represented in The Federalist Papers, a body of writing that has been haggled over and misinterpreted by hagglers and misinterpreters since the day they were authored.

I don't find him a particularly sympathetic character no matter who is padding his bio or what music it has been set to. Still, he did make some valid contributions to shaping this country and was one of the reasons it managed to survive its infancy until it got real and wrote a constitution that worked, at leat for white male landowners.

Yes, his trade agreements prolonged slavery, but one has to ask if this country had been reconquered by colonial powers, if slavery would have been on their list of things to abolish. Somehow, I doubt it. It's the way the world worked back then when rich white guys ran it.

I would personally like to thank The Lincoln Project. We Dem's are grateful for your support. nt 42bambi Jul 2020 #1
They are making a difference yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #14
Please everyone send them some money THEY ARE making a difference. usaf-vet Jul 2020 #22
I think they are making a case wnylib Jul 2020 #27
They have publicly stated that the Republican Party needs to be burned to the ground, so i'm not OnDoutside Jul 2020 #32
Romney would be better than Trump yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #38
Romney would appear to be wnylib Jul 2020 #67
nope, Trump is far worse than Romney. But Romney still sucks and would lose to Biden JI7 Jul 2020 #70
LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #72
no they aren't. They support Biden and Romney can't beat Biden JI7 Jul 2020 #64
I don't know where you got the wnylib Jul 2020 #68
They do support Biden who they say it's a good person. they support other Democrats also JI7 Jul 2020 #69
Can you provide some links about wnylib Jul 2020 #71
Go to Lincoln Project on YouTube. all of their ads are there JI7 Jul 2020 #73
So your conclusion is an opinion. wnylib Jul 2020 #80
good for them if they want to get rid if Trump seems Trump types JI7 Jul 2020 #81
They are not supporting us. They are trying to prevent the total destruction Warpy Jul 2020 #20
I Think the LP is doing Excellent Work Indykatie Jul 2020 #23
Not Mutually Exclusive Terms Roy Rolling Jul 2020 #26
No, you're wrong. They've stated from the very beginning that the GOP needs to be burned to the OnDoutside Jul 2020 #33
Do you really think they have any use for Democrats? Warpy Jul 2020 #39
Many of their ads have specifically asked that people vote for Biden in November. This isn't about OnDoutside Jul 2020 #41
+1 betsuni Jul 2020 #76
Hey, there's beaches! Beartracks Jul 2020 #60
I actually do have ocean frontage Warpy Jul 2020 #77
they are NOT party loyalists since they are supporting Biden and other Democrats JI7 Jul 2020 #65
George Conway is a member of WhiteTara Jul 2020 #74
I think you need to stop viewing politics as if it's a religion JI7 Jul 2020 #75
Totally agree with you. Appreciate the LP is hitting Trump hard, but they are not our friends. Fla Dem Jul 2020 #42
Thanks for getting the point that others missed Warpy Jul 2020 #45
I get it. ancianita Jul 2020 #51
When a Hamiltonian party has come apart at the seams Warpy Jul 2020 #54
Thank you for this history ancianita Jul 2020 #58
Quite honestly, I'd prefer them to the K Street milksops that appear every 4 years Warpy Jul 2020 #78
A bit OT: watching "Hamilton" tonight. But from reading Gore Vidal's novel re Aaron Burr, ancianita Jul 2020 #59
Hamilton was certainly a mixed bag Warpy Jul 2020 #79
Yup. They and others like them were willing to go along with the slow descent cstanleytech Jul 2020 #55
And I hope Democrats are taking notes... Mazeltov Cocktail Jul 2020 #57
Thing is... ancianita Jul 2020 #61
I want there to be a Principled Opposition. mac56 Jul 2020 #52
Amen! kentuck Jul 2020 #2
I've heard several Democrats... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #3
They are hedging. morat Jul 2020 #11
Also, I think the Democrats should be more critical of the press. kentuck Jul 2020 #15
+1, yes they should almost be goaded into doing the right thing. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #34
the repukes are workin' both sides of th' street... sprinkleeninow Jul 2020 #19
For them (the repuglicons), it's a matter of principle - or lack of. erronis Jul 2020 #43
I'm fairly confident that Trump wnylib Jul 2020 #37
A challenge can't happen. It just can't. That's TWO to THREE SCOTUS justices. No. ancianita Jul 2020 #62
I'm thinking a little Oz is needed cojoel Jul 2020 #4
Maybe, if the GOP ever regains its sanity, these guys will be the Loyal Opposition someday... First Speaker Jul 2020 #5
What you said Hekate Jul 2020 #6
I almost think the GOP is past the point of no return Zambero Jul 2020 #18
I never thought I'd live to see the day when Republicans would attack their own president for sop Jul 2020 #7
Or this will happen... BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #8
scavenging for some ballot issue to save their butts from a catastrophe... sprinkleeninow Jul 2020 #21
How about a "Murder of Republicans"? yankeepants Jul 2020 #9
It is a treason of Republicans. PurgedVoter Jul 2020 #10
If after Biden is elected and yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #16
Like it! Auggie Jul 2020 #66
A Quisling of Republicans alfredo Jul 2020 #63
A Pandemic of Conservatives rickyhall Jul 2020 #12
Yup yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #13
It's a frickin' cult! kentuck Jul 2020 #17
And all cults bdamomma Jul 2020 #47
The Center-Right has no party now. It's all fringe right wing in the GOP. nt Progressive Jones Jul 2020 #24
Kick dalton99a Jul 2020 #25
god, this is PERFECT! Just how I'm feeling about the Whole Cha Jul 2020 #28
I follow the tweeter who posted that 'toon liberaltrucker Jul 2020 #29
Me Too! I commented to him that Cha Jul 2020 #30
... liberaltrucker Jul 2020 #31
What happened, Cha ? Shred was a great poster here, I missed that. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #35
Ikr! I was just reading an older Cha Jul 2020 #36
Thanks. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #40
It's so easy to not notice when someone is no longer active. Perhaps we need a way erronis Jul 2020 #48
I found several current/former DUers there liberaltrucker Jul 2020 #49
The coward of Rs so used to riding through a 'PR crisis' they think all crises are PR crises Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #44
Lincoln Project bdamomma Jul 2020 #46
Lincoln Project is trying to push the toxins from their party bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #50
"He hasn't condemned it." Which causes me to believe he did know. cstanleytech Jul 2020 #53
I'm pretty sure this wins the internets today. trof Jul 2020 #56
Well, maybe we have a new plural. calimary Jul 2020 #82
That would be perfect ! Pluvious Jul 2020 #83
Pandemonium of Parrots! calimary Jul 2020 #84
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